How to "pulse" orals

[pavb10]

Knowbull, I think im gonna keep the mass fx and use restore as my AI/ cortisol inhibitor. I really dont wana try any transdermals and really cant find TRS. Is restore effective enough at controlling estrogen when i go up to 30 mgs? Also the t-8 and endoamp are quite pricey.

 

[pavb10]

Haha yeah ive noticed that...But the only thing im worried about is if restore has enough 6 bromo in it becasue its in one of those prop. blends. I dont wana skimp on my AI. As for support supps im thinking cycle support becuase of the price and deal on NP. After the 4 week cycle is over should i continue to take the test booster and AI?? Im not really sure how the "PCT" should work.

 

[Delita420]

Haha yeah ive noticed that...But the only thing im worried about is if restore has enough 6 bromo in it becasue its in one of those prop. blends. I dont wana skimp on my AI. As for support supps im thinking cycle support becuase of the price and deal on NP. After the 4 week cycle is over should i continue to take the test booster and AI?? Im not really sure how the "PCT" should work.

I'm a firm believer in the use of ATD for Aromatase Inhibition.

 

[suncloud]

just giving you an update bassgod. LMG and havoc pulse are going pretty well. the LMG finally kicked in "full force" maybe at the tail end of week 4 (last week) - 10 lb increase on dumbell bench! your information has been dead on so far.

on a side note, have you ever heard of LMG causing knee pain? maybe two days ago till today, my knees were swollen, from the rear tendons all the way to the front. feels like its getting better now, just wondering if LMG could cause this.

anyways, thanks for your insights about pulsing.

 

[Delita420]

just giving you an update bassgod. LMG and havoc pulse are going pretty well. the LMG finally kicked in "full force" maybe at the tail end of week 4 (last week) - 10 lb increase on dumbell bench! your information has been dead on so far.

on a side note, have you ever heard of LMG causing knee pain? maybe two days ago till today, my knees were swollen, from the rear tendons all the way to the front. feels like its getting better now, just wondering if LMG could cause this.

anyways, thanks for your insights about pulsing.

Havoc could be stealing your estrogen, causing you to dry up. Which could indirectly effect your joints in a negative way.

Or maybe you just did some squats wrong...

 

[pavb10]

So ure saying to take the restore everyday during the pulse and the mass fx on off days, then after start up with PCS until its gone(4 weeks)? 6 bromo is suppresive but should i use any AI after cycle, such as ATD or trione?

 

[suncloud]

Congrats on the great cycle bro. No, i've never heard of anything causing joint pain besides really dry compounds like winstrol and things like that. I doubt it's the LMG. It's probably due to the added weight your gaining plus the added weight you're lifting. I had the same problem when I started doing 600lb leg presses, but now i'm past that weight plus the knee pain is gone. Try CissusRX by USP Labs. It works great for me. It's a nice anti-inflammatory/analgesic and joint supplement. It also decreases cortisol levels. Good stuff.

thanks brotha. that was what i figured - no way a wet compound is going to dry my joints out. havoc only seems dry enough to offset some of the wetness of LMG, not negate it completely.

very good idea about the added weight gained + lifting more. definitely could be the culprit. will check out that cissus of which you speak.

 

[pavb10]

thanks for clearing things up man. sounds great. Ill do the mass fx for the four weeks then the PCS after with no additional AI, unless one would be a good idea? But that sounds great, thanks for the help. I dont think ill be getting near 60 mgs so shutdown hopefully wont be a problem nor will gyno

 

[hpfreak]

Seeing any breakouts/acne with high dose Epi 40-60mg? Getting ready to pulse EPI with another oral and was curious if you guys are seeing any acne? I know lots of people did with sdrol/mdrol....

Thanks

 

[hpfreak]

PM sent - Dr D. Awesome thread!

Tons of info....:clap2:

 

[trend747]

Here's a simple little cycle I'm preparing to do:

8 Weeks
Workout Days: S-Drol 20/20/20/20
Off Days: Post Cycle Support 2 caps AM / 2 caps PM

That's it... :food:

 

[hman85]

Here's a simple little cycle I'm preparing to do:

8 Weeks
Workout Days: S-Drol 20/20/20/20
Off Days: Post Cycle Support 2 caps AM / 2 caps PM

That's it... :food:

You should probably stop it at 6 weeks imo. you will also need to up the doses. start at 20 but don't be afraid to go higher. 20 is a basic dose for a straight cycle and on pulses you need to have your doses a little higher. If you keep getting gains like that then by all means keep it low, but your gains will probably slow and then you need to raise it. On my last super pulse I used 20/20/30/30/40/40 and that worked out great! how many days are you going to be pulsing a week?

 

[trend747]

You should probably stop it at 6 weeks imo. you will also need to up the doses. start at 20 but don't be afraid to go higher. 20 is a basic dose for a straight cycle and on pulses you need to have your doses a little higher. If you keep getting gains like that then by all means keep it low, but your gains will probably slow and then you need to raise it. On my last super pulse I used 20/20/30/30/40/40 and that worked out great! how many days are you going to be pulsing a week?

Yeah, I should consider that... I'm pulsing four times a week.

 

[hman85]

Yeah, I should consider that... I'm pulsing four times a week.

3 days a week is best but I did 4 a week and it was great. I felt a little suppressed at the end but came right back. Make sure if you are doing 4 days that you dose accordingly, M,T,Th,F . you need at least 2 consecutive days off!

 

[Delita420]

How do I know if I'm feeling suppressed or shut down?

 

[hman85]

How do I know if I'm feeling suppressed or shut down?

your nuts will shrink, libido will be less, you might feel legthargic

 

[hman85]

What did you use as your AI and natty T booster bro? How did you feel the entire time? I was thinking of doing that myself(SD pulse) while cutting. I'm debating on running a regular cycle of it for 3 weeks or a pulse for 4-6 weeks.

I used nothing during and AX's Advanced pct for my pct. I felt great throughout till the last week. The back pumps got kinda bad and I started to get lethargic. Honestly man don't use super for cutting imo. I think it would be kind of a waste. I loved my pulse! I would like to try a longer pulse of 10mgs on workout days for like 8 weeks and see how that would work out. just a little experiment!:thumbsup:

 

[trend747]

3 days a week is best but I did 4 a week and it was great. I felt a little suppressed at the end but came right back. Make sure if you are doing 4 days that you dose accordingly, M,T,Th,F . you need at least 2 consecutive days off!

Yep, exactly. That's my workout schedule anyway, so it's going to work out well...

 

[hman85]

I'm not sure that i'm even going to truly cut. Just start doing cardio and watch my diet. Carb cutoffs at 6pm, things like that. I want to do it before the online bb comp on Feb 1st. At the same time i'd like to keep bulking to reach my goal of 200lbs and cut afterward.

that will work out son! Do it!

 

[Ninjo]

I was thinking of doing that myself(SD pulse) while cutting. I'm debating on running a regular cycle of it for 3 weeks or a pulse for 4-6 weeks.

I'm debating the exact same thing for my next cycle in early March. I won't be cutting however.

If I do a straight cycle, I'll probably run the SD at 10/20/20 with 900 mg of oral 4-AD that I need to use up as it is already expired (i.e. original Ergopharm stuff). However, a six week pulse as my first experience with SD is very tempting.

 

[Delita420]

With pulsing, less is more. Don't over do it or you'll destroy the benefits of pulsing. :saw:

 

[hman85]

With pulsing, less is more. Don't over do it or you'll destroy the benefits of pulsing. :saw:

:goodpost:

 

[Ninjo]

I'd run the straight 3 weeker, but consider 10/10/20 rather than 10/20/20. SD is harsh bro. Not really on sides(for me) but on shutdown. It shuts you down quick.

Sounds like good advice, I'll run it at 10/10/20 then if I do a 3 weeker. I'm curious though as to why you would recommend a straight cycle over pulsing.

You'll feel better using the 4-ad though. Must be nice to have some of that still fukcer, lol.

I picked up two bottles last year from a local health food store. The kid working behind the counter had no clue as to what the 4-ad was so I got the two bottles for a steal!

 

[Ninjo]

You'll get more gains strength and mass-wise if you run a straight 3 weeker. Also with using the 4-ad at that dose, you should feel good the entire time. If you didn't have the 4-ad then i'd say pulse it. A straight cycle is only 3 weeks and on average people gain 10-15lbs in that time along with crazy strength. That's a lot in that short time period! Add the 4-ad to it and it makes a pretty sick stack IMO. It's obviously up to you as i'm sure you're aware of the dreaded "delayed gyno" and lactation issues that some users get. Emphasis on SOME. I'd also use torem if you can get it, opposed to tamox. Pick up some p-5-p and bulk 1-carboxy(l-dopa) as well. Only use them if you need them though. No need to complicate things. What band of SD are you using?

Probably can't get my hands on Torem (i.e. I'm in Canada) but have both Nolva and Clomid. Will likely choose to run the Clomid over Nolva.

I've already got the P-5-P and some PowerFULL (i.e. 1-carboxy) in case I will need them. Also have a bottle of NOW brand Vitex if I feel that's necessary.

I've got a 60 ct. of AX SD and a 90 ct. of SNS Methyl-drol XT. Both bottles are expired but have been vacuum sealed and kept in my freezer to preserve freshness. I will probably run the AX stuff to ensure I'm getting the purest version of the compound although I've heard that the SNS clone is pretty close to the original.

 

[djremix]

with 4-ad in the mix run a low dose 6-oxo in the evening(100mg) or 300mg every 3 days to control adrenagenic effects

conside adding in PP sustain alpha sporadically instead of 4-ad and for pct.

been doing that and it working out well.

dont forget a cortisol controller for pct, especially after something like SD

 

[Ninjo]

with 4-ad in the mix run a low dose 6-oxo in the evening(100mg) or 300mg every 3 days to control adrenagenic effects

conside adding in PP sustain alpha sporadically instead of 4-ad and for pct.

been doing that and it working out well.

Thanks for the recommendations; in place of the 6-oxo, would it be alright to run a low dose e-form (i.e. formestane)? I was thinking 2 sprays am, 2 sprays pm.

dont forget a cortisol controller for pct, especially after something like SD

I always use either AX Retain (original) or DS Lean Xtreme (original) to control cortisol in PCT.

 

[Ninjo]

It appears that I have unintentionally thrown us off topic.

I apologize and by all means, let's get the discussion back on "pulsing". :thumbsup:

 

[Savantee]

Pulsing is the way forward!!!

Read whole thread over four days and decided to get rid of a couple of bottles SD + PP hanging around.

I was never going to use again (on a full cycle) Previous Superdrol sides at 24 every day BP Lethargy and very pale stools (Liver Bile) told me that it was beating me up bad.

I was using Cycle support and other ancillaries.

Gave up full cycle after 3 weeks ran Nolva + Activate

I decided to pulse SD with caution....................

My Pulse
42 Year Old Male Weight 220
SD PP 8 weeks
3x/wk pulse M,W,F Weekends off

SD PP taken I hour before Workout

Training Goals Thicken and Trim

Week/Dose(mg)
1 (10) SD
2 (10) SD
3 (20) SD PP 10 of each
4 (20) SD PP 10 of each
5 5 day Break Exercise and Dosing (Thanks Knowall)
6 (20) SD PP 10 of each
7 (20) SD PP 10 of each
8 (10) SD

If I feel Well/Good extra weeks

9 (10) SD Monday and Friday only


On-Cycle Every Day
Cycle Support
Milk Thistle,
EFAs (fish oil, around 6-8 grams a day),
Multi Mineral Multi Vit

Off Days
Rhodiola
Cordyceps
Tyrosine

Post Cycle
Cycle Support 4 Weeks
Acitvate Extreme
Extend + Extra Citrulline and Beta Alanine pre work out.
Nolva on hand

Im 8 weeks in and weight is up 7 pounds on a maintainance diet. I look and feel well.

Thighs and Back bigger waist smaller :lol:

Poundages are up all areas about 20%

I write this update as I cannot believe the potential for this method with regard to lack of perceivable sides (virtually no sides attributed to full cycle other than those minimised by ancillaries), and very visible benefits.

Also the bump :thumbsup:that D mentioned is well apparent and a bonus. I went on a short break with the GF in week five and she was suitably impressed.

I suggest that people ramp up and ramp down in order that problems are minimised.

I have noticed that my last 2 workouts have been as good stepping down to 10 SD as they were on 20 SD + PP. This may be attributed to the fact that I have introduced Extend + Citrulline and Beta Alanine pre work out. (Pump out of this world)

I'm running 10 SD a little longer an extra week as I feel so well--taking SD only before Monday and Friday's workout therefore giving the body more time to self regulate.

My advice is pulse but having first read and read some more and have a solid game plan and stick to it.

Superdrol is very powerful and you do not (IMO) need 30 a day to see improvements. I'm well over 200 lb and 42 years old and this stuff at 10mg gets me pumped up like a teenager..

Nice steady gains are possible with this method and I think you have a better chance of keeping them as the body has taken less of a battering and also you had time to let the muscle mature because of the longer cycle.

I hope that this is of help to anyone thinking of using The Pulse...

 

[Knowbull]

Thanks for giving a clear cut picture of your pulse. I think at 8 wks is a long time, but it seems to have worked. In week 5 you mentioned a break, from exercise, or SD,PP, dosing or both?

 

[wood23]

Well done. A great result. Has this experience made you consider another pulse down the track?

 

[Savantee]

Thanks for giving a clear cut picture of your pulse. I think at 8 wks is a long time, but it seems to have worked. In week 5 you mentioned a break, from exercise, or SD,PP, dosing or both?

Knowbull

Thank you hope it helps.

You have spotted the typing error:study:

I had a short 5 day break from everything (exercise & dosing) For few reasons -
1. It is a long cycle (Caution)
2. Wanted to give body a break
3. Wanted to see how my recovery from SD Pulse cycle panned out

1. At 4 weeks wanted to be cautious with cycle. I was aware that I need a break as I was hitting gym hard. Remember I'm 42.

2. I usually have a periodic break every 6 weeks and it felt right rest up to get some good anabolic food on board.

3. Short term recovery was fine: my testicles were large and felt puffy, my libido was actually better than before cycle. I had a sense of wellbeing, ok I was on holiday.

I actually feel this cycle has in some way elevated my natural base levels of test.

Hormones are rhythmic in the body and the pulsing may prompt a ripple effect which continues to ripple after cycle. Someone of greater understanding may want to expand this.

 

[DR.D]

... I write this update as I cannot believe the potential for this method with regard to lack of perceivable sides (virtually no sides attributed to full cycle other than those minimised by ancillaries), and very visible benefits. ...

Sounds like you nailed it.

With SD, the EFAs are very useful. In fact, all your supports look smart. 8-10wks is generally perfect for a low dose pulse such as this.

 

[Savantee]

Well done. A great result. Has this experience made you consider another pulse down the track?

Thank you.

I will certainly will be looking at another pulse!!:thumbsup:

I think they are the way forward for "normal" guys (with good diet training) who are looking for a little help once they are a little past natural peak.

I think a 4 week pulse cycle three times a year (at as low dosages as necessary) will give you good returns with minimal sides

 

[DR.D]

... Hormones are rhythmic in the body and the pulsing may prompt a ripple effect which continues to ripple after cycle. ...

I call it "the bounce". Like treats like. Though it can seem paradoxical, it's simple cause and effect. If you wanna boost test levels, one way people don't realize is to suppress them mildly and briefly. Your body will respond to correct the deficit, and in many cases you'll equilibrate at a slightly higher level than before. That is why pulsing is so free of sides and that's why you MUST have fluctuating hormone levels for it to work right.

This phenomenon of bounce-back is also very noticeable with certain dopaminergic drugs (like Permax) that suppress LH levels. If one uses relatively low doses for about a week, mild shutdown becomes apparent. However, if you then abruptly discontinue the drug, you bounce back with a vengeance! This can also be of value specifically for kick starting PCTs that fail to develop in a desirable time frame.

Thanks for sharing your report and great job on those gains!

 

[Savantee]

Sounds like you nailed it.

With SD, the EFAs are very useful. In fact, all your supports look smart. 8-10wks is generally perfect for a low dose pulse such as this.

D

Thanks

I am very happy with the cycle.

The more of this thread that I read the clearer it all became. It just looked right - it felt right - It turned out right.

Your input with others was key and I thank you.

 

[DR.D]

D

Thanks

I am very happy with the cycle.

The more of this thread that I read the clearer it all became. It just looked right - it felt right - It turned out right.

Your input with others was key and I thank you.

Yes Sir, it's my pleasure to help if I can. I love to see my brothers in iron making gains and staying healthy!

 

[Savantee]

I call it "the bounce". Like treats like. Though it can seem paradoxical, it's simple cause and effect. If you wanna boost test levels, one way people don't realize is to suppress them mildly and briefly. Your body will respond to correct the deficit, and in many cases you'll equilibrate at a slightly higher level than before. That is why pulsing is so free of sides and that's why you MUST have fluctuating hormone levels for it to work right.

This phenomenon of bounce-back is also very noticeable with certain dopaminergic drugs (like Permax) that suppress LH levels. If one uses relatively low doses for about a week, mild shutdown becomes apparent. However, if you then abruptly discontinue the drug, you bounce back with a vengeance! This can also be of value specifically for kick starting PCTs that fail to develop in a desirable time frame.

Thanks for sharing your report and great job on those gains!

D Thanks for the reps (I cannot return thanks until I have 10 postings)

Very interesting, I liked the bounce and certainly felt it.

I see this pulsing as working with the body natural test production rather than totally shutting it down, which is unnecessary and may be difficult to correct.

I think my natural test may be tiring (42) and the high from the SD felt like it bumped me up - even the following day (Tue) I would feel good pumped to a degree - On the third day (Wed) I was still good ready for dosing and training.

Further on weekends where I did not dose 5pm friday till 5pm monday I felt good throughout using just a little Rhodiola and Cordyceps to keep cortisol down....

 

[Knowbull]

Knowbull

Thank you hope it helps.

You have spotted the typing error:study:

I had a short 5 day break from everything (exercise & dosing) For few reasons -
1. It is a long cycle (Caution)
2. Wanted to give body a break
3. Wanted to see how my recovery from SD Pulse cycle panned out

1. At 4 weeks wanted to be cautious with cycle. I was aware that I need a break as I was hitting gym hard. Remember I'm 42.

2. I usually have a periodic break every 6 weeks and it felt right rest up to get some good anabolic food on board.

3. Short term recovery was fine: my testicles were large and felt puffy, my libido was actually better than before cycle. I had a sense of wellbeing, ok I was on holiday.

I actually feel this cycle has in some way elevated my natural base levels of test.

Hormones are rhythmic in the body and the pulsing may prompt a ripple effect which continues to ripple after cycle. Someone of greater understanding may want to expand this.

Yes, this sounds great. I do things in a similar way, Im even older than you! I agree about the ripple effect and the rhythmic phenomenon. There is a definate ebb and flow.

 

[Mr Barlow]

Dr.D I was wondering whether I could most kindly ask your advice on a 1-t pulse cycle, do you think 1-t is a good product to pulse? I was just reading that it had a life of about 2 hours which seems to be very useful if it was taken pre workout as it would allow it to get well and truly out of your system before bed, hopefully stopping suppression, inleast that was my understanding im sure you will know in more detail. So what would you think of such a pulse? I was originally going to run my first ever anabolic pulse of epistane, but 1-t seems very promising, it just makes sense its testosterone so added test +natural test= some sweet gains ;D so do you know whether pulsing 1-t would cause suppression? what sort of pct would it require? do you think it is a sensible thing to pulse? or just to strong for a first ever pulse?

 

[DR.D]

Dr.D I was wondering whether I could most kindly ask your advice on a 1-t pulse cycle, do you think 1-t is a good product to pulse? I was just reading that it had a life of about 2 hours which seems to be very useful if it was taken pre workout as it would allow it to get well and truly out of your system before bed, hopefully stopping suppression, inleast that was my understanding im sure you will know in more detail. So what would you think of such a pulse? I was originally going to run my first ever anabolic pulse of epistane, but 1-t seems very promising, it just makes sense its testosterone so added test +natural test= some sweet gains ;D so do you know whether pulsing 1-t would cause suppression? what sort of pct would it require? do you think it is a sensible thing to pulse? or just to strong for a first ever pulse?

Are you talking about the Primordial product? Yeah, I think you could do this just like any other with about the same effects on all the various parameters (shutdown potential, etc.. I am unsure because I have not used it to know for sure). I have used trans test in the past with good results. You might wanna try applying a dose or a double dose ~1hr prior to w/o. It has a short t1/2 but the transdermal delivery kinetics are usually slow (depending on how it was formulated, the carries and solvents) resembling a 12-24hr slow release pattern, so only use one dose and do it on skin that's thin with low retention (like back of the hands and forearms).

 

[Mr Barlow]

Thankyou. If the transdermal delivery system takes 12 to 24 hours does would that not cause problems with it going through the night and causing shutdown/suppression? also you mention to take one dose, the packet says to put on 4-5 applications, by one dose do you mean 1 of their size doses or just one application? Also im guessing id just need the normal staples for a 3 day a week pulse of this, cycle support, ZMA and PCT as a precaution when I finish. It claims to not be able to cause gyno, but im guessing clomid and nolva on hand would be good? sorry for all the question dude. Thanks a bunch for the advice so far though.

 

[DR.D]

... sorry for all the question dude. Thanks a bunch for the advice so far though.

It's no bother B, I don't mind!

If the instructions state 4-5 apps/day then I'd assume the release kinetics are rapid which is perfect for pulsing, so I'd start with a double dose about 1hr pre-w/o. It may be more effective with a triple dose, and if it's assimilated that quickly then you could apply it pretty much anywhere you don't have excessive body hair (upper back, outer arms, abs, etc..) I wouldn't think the shutdown would be significant with this preparation.

Also, it shouldn't support gyno. Just looking at the structure, it may actually discourage gyno. An Rx SERM should not be needed at all. An herbal test booster would be a great stacker, and the ZMA is always a good idea anyway.

I may try this myself at some point. The product looks weak, but clean and effective at the proper dose. If you decide to pulse it, please keep us posted on your results!

 

[Knowbull]

Yes Sir, it's my pleasure to help if I can. I love to see my brothers in iron making gains and staying healthy!

I know you sincerely mean that. Thanks for all your contributions here and elsewhere. Its good to have you on this board!

 

[djremix]

i wish m-1t wasnt too damn nasty for a pulse. i got so much around....

 

[Mu5tang69]

i wish m-1t wasnt too damn nasty for a pulse. i got so much around....

true. most likely you will be shut down on the second dosing day.

but say if you where to pulse not to avoid shutdown, but to lessen sides. what wud be a example cycle...


Dr. D?

 

[djremix]

well spread the love bro! lol.

Ha!!
give me an acceptable way of using it and i seriously dont mind parting with some of the original UG labz 1200 5mg tabs i got around(its still leal but not available where i am btw)

 

[bigzach1234]

2 questions..
1. if someone were to do an mdrol/superdrol cycle why would they pulse 30mg 4 days(workouts) a week for a total mg of 120 .. instead of going straight though with 20 mg at a total of 140mg per week ..is there any benefit in a situation like this?

2. would it be beneficial to potentially run one compound like mdrol/superdrol pulsed(3days a week) while running a moderate dose of another oral straight through (epi/havoc 30mg)??

 

[Mu5tang69]

2.5mg pulsed 3x/week for 2 weeks bro. Or possibly even 2x/week. Nobody has really tried it even, so i'd be interested in the results. If I had some, i'd be willing to give it a shot and be the guinea pig.

with UG Labs thats only 3 tabs (5mg)

if you log it a do blood work, pm me. ill help you find sum for free

 

[djremix]

2.5mg pulsed 3x/week for 2 weeks bro. Or possibly even 2x/week. Nobody has really tried it even, so i'd be interested in the results. If I had some, i'd be willing to give it a shot and be the guinea pig.

PM me bro. If you got the balls to try this out for us all, then ill sponsor ya

M-1t is ridiculously strong

 

[trackstud100m]

I doubt it my friend. 20g of var never even phased me taking it every day! Seriously, I could not even tell I was on anything, and it came from the pharmacy so I know it was legit. Taking 8 of those little footballs a day and nothing. I'd say 40 minimum, especially if pulsing.

What about 10-20mg of Anadrol?