How to "pulse" orals
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Solitude
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What I meant was comparison between two conventional/regular cycle:
Cycle 1 = Dose spread throughout the day.
Cycle 2 = Large dose taken once a day
But both cycles are regular cycle as in dosage taken ED, shutdown or sides are not of a concern, I'm just interested in which one will give greater gains overall?
The thing is I read in the William Llewellyn's Anabolics book, where he mentioned about D-Bol dosing, he said that taking the entire daily dose as a single large dose gave greater gains overall compared to spreading the dose throughout the day.
What is your opinion on that Doc? Do you agree with him?
(sorry if this is out of topic guys)
sfearl1
Well-known member
if im gonna do 1,4ad 1g for 10weeks
that will shut me down right...
anyone know howlong we talking..
cuz id love to pulse superdrol and 1 or 2 something else the entire 10weeks
i think an 8-10 week superdrol pulse with the 1,4 straight through would be a sick stack. good solid gains. maybe nothing real dramatic but you could probably add 8-10 lbs of quality gains in that time.
nycste
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in that time id be hoping for 20lbs with solid 15 would be my highest goal thats a long cycle for orals !
if i did this proposed cycle i have lots of other goodies to throw into the mix perhaps on every other week or inbtw the superdrol pulses or something
only interested in pulsing superdrol for 2 reasons
1. last longer with almost no dimishing effect
2. less side effects while keeping 1,4ad base
-last question in reguards to pulsing superdrol
i dont need to run a test booster on offnights or anything because im running the 1,4ad base right?
might it be good idea to run an AI, or Anti E or something... IDK
sfearl1
Well-known member
not sure about the ai but i don't think you would need one. but this is a straight cycle, not a pulse, therefore there would be no need for the test booster. youre right, the superdrol will be able to be run a lot longer with less sides and no diminishing effect. i think this will be an effective cycle make sure to run a log if you do it.
nycste
Well-known member
sounds good man.. pulsing superdrol and 1,4ad base leaves me plenty of room to add 1-2 other products perhaps that wont conflict and work together or maybe just pick 1 other product to pulse throughout as well maybe
cycle as of now looks like
wk 1-10 1,4ad 1g
wk 1-10 superdrol pulsed
addon possibilities
xmass
m14add
phera
halo
epi
1-t (if it comes in)
this log wouldnt start till jan anyway FYI... if ever
sfearl1
Well-known member
did you already order it?? whats your pulsing days and doses gonna look like? i wouldn't go over 30mg and that might be pushing it for that length of time. also i'd only do mwf for pulsing ON days.
nycste
Well-known member
i have no idea what my pulsing method would be
right now i workout 3days a week... soo M W F looks good..
but i cannot predict my workout sch when i start this cycle
UNCfan1
Registered User
If u want great mass I would Xmass or Phera. I have seen 1 guy pulse MaxLMG and he had some great results. Phera would be great to pulse too.
SD, Phera, BOLD thruout tons of food I don't see why 20lbs couldn't happen.
Solitude
Member
According to him, single large dose will provide greater peak in blood plasma level, therefore activating greater amount of receptors.
Solitude
Member
You mean on workout day use single large dose, and for Off Days spread the dose evenly throughout the day?
Wood
New member
Well I've decided to take the pulse plunge.
My plan is to do an 8 week pulse with a full week off after the 4th week and then back on.
I want to use Mdrol because I really liked my 2 sd cycles. What would be the best androgenic compound to use pre workout if I'm using my Mdrol for post workout?
Thank you for the help.
My plan is to do an 8 week pulse with a full week off after the 4th week and then back on.
I want to use Mdrol because I really liked my 2 sd cycles. What would be the best androgenic compound to use pre workout if I'm using my Mdrol for post workout?
Thank you for the help.
EasyEJL
Never enough
yeah, that could be really interesting, particularly with something that gives a big stim effect
Solitude
Member
Yeah, thats like the best of both world, implementing large dosing strategy combined with steady dosing strategy, might have to try that one day.
UNCfan1
Registered User
Phera or Ergo. Ergo is more androgenic I believe. I used Ergo/superdrol and loved it. Prob going to do it again but with Phera in place of Ergo.
Can u or someone info for the reason of taking a week off and then jumping back on? Run a very tiny post cycle therapy or something?
Leggo my Ego
Well-known member
The point of it is to minimize inhibition. You let the hormones clear your system completely and in theory your body will spontaneously upregulate test production to counteract any suppression as a means of homeostasis. It is a good thought but I didn't do that for mine.
UNCfan1
Registered User
I didn't either. I am thinking of pulsing again. I was going to run a reg cycle but after giving it some thought I want to run alot stuff lol.
Here is what I have, everyone chime in please.
Superdrol- Def going to use
Trenadrol-?
Ergo- Def going to use
Epi- Def going to use
Propadrol-?
Xmass-?
Prostanozol-?
I am thinking of doing something close to what I had planned for my cycle- bulk to scuplt.
Maybe run the wetter compounds for 4-6 weeks and the drier ones after for 4-6 weeks
silverSurfer
Well-known member
Question on dose frequency during a "pulse" cycle.
I've read most of this thread and have a question regarding the dosing frequency of whatever compund is used during a "pulse" cycle.
Assuming the cycle is 8 weeks long, 56 days:
at 3 x week dosing, the subject intakes/uses the compound ~42.857% of the time (the same ratio is true if the cycle is 4, 12, 16, etc. weeks long).
My question is, if the frequency changed to every other day, there would be an equal distribution of on/off days, a net difference of ~7.143%; is this a significant difference to warrant the 3 x week dosing scheme vs. every other day?
Theories and personal experiences are greatly appreciated.
I've read most of this thread and have a question regarding the dosing frequency of whatever compund is used during a "pulse" cycle.
Assuming the cycle is 8 weeks long, 56 days:
at 3 x week dosing, the subject intakes/uses the compound ~42.857% of the time (the same ratio is true if the cycle is 4, 12, 16, etc. weeks long).
My question is, if the frequency changed to every other day, there would be an equal distribution of on/off days, a net difference of ~7.143%; is this a significant difference to warrant the 3 x week dosing scheme vs. every other day?
Theories and personal experiences are greatly appreciated.
ImJ2x
Well-known member
I, myself, am intrigued by the "micro-cycle" approach = 3 days on/4 days off (for micro-pct)/repeat. But I haven't seen anyone try this. I may have to be the first (after I get my move to LA settled in).
[I imagine this approach might only work with the very strongest/quickest-acting compounds, like Superdrol or M1T.]
[I imagine this approach might only work with the very strongest/quickest-acting compounds, like Superdrol or M1T.]
Werewolf
Active member
I think if you looking for the best thing to pulse while on 1,4AD conventional then you look for the least suppressive thing which is EPI. Phera is probably number #2. You can also run superdrol in non pulse for weeks 8 through 10.
nycste
Well-known member
true. i dont care about suppression.. i just want slow steady gains but i should prob kickstart this cycle with something semi harder then i can always drop it at week 2 start something weaker
and run that straight or pulse it just to avoid some side effects and throw superdrol back in at end nonpulse sounds like a good idea when the 1,4ad is full blast perhaps
there are many options this will be fun i got 2 months to plan it
Werewolf
Active member
Part of the benefit of pulsing is the reduced suppression which results in higher natural testosterone especailly as cycle goes on and contributes to overall gain. The very same thing can be said about 1,4AD in stand alone convential cycle. Kick starting makes sense in test based cycle since suppression is going to happen anyway and injected test will carry you through the cycle. In the kind of cycle you are talking about you will want your natural test to carry you through so you want to protect it especially early in the cycle.
nycste
Well-known member
o. didnt think of this like this.
FX01
New member
I have been reading this thread for some time,and I just
wanted to say thanks to everyone for the excellent information.I have been rolling a few dosing scenerios around in my head,so here they are.
Could one pulse 2-3 compounds on a 3x per week pulse(on w/o days)to make better gains than going with one solo,or would the oral toxicity be to harsh on the body(All compounds taken pre-post workout)?
Or This:
Knowing that cortisol is the highest in the early A.M.and mid afternoon,what about spreading the compound dosages(based on half life) throughout the day like pre/post/ early evening,...but....taking the last compound in the early A.M. of day 2?
This way, you kind of cheat the cortisil devil, and also keep yourself more anabolic for a little more time before the bounce?
Or would this inflict upon the natural test producion?
wanted to say thanks to everyone for the excellent information.I have been rolling a few dosing scenerios around in my head,so here they are.
Could one pulse 2-3 compounds on a 3x per week pulse(on w/o days)to make better gains than going with one solo,or would the oral toxicity be to harsh on the body(All compounds taken pre-post workout)?
Or This:
Knowing that cortisol is the highest in the early A.M.and mid afternoon,what about spreading the compound dosages(based on half life) throughout the day like pre/post/ early evening,...but....taking the last compound in the early A.M. of day 2?
This way, you kind of cheat the cortisil devil, and also keep yourself more anabolic for a little more time before the bounce?
Or would this inflict upon the natural test producion?
zpnq
New member
I am just getting my feet wet with this stuff as well
and this thought has been rolling around my head as well.A few of the guys here (in this thread) have doubled up on their compounds, taking one before and another after workouts.
If you were going to do it, you could use a none methyl for one, e.g bold200
Just saying my thoughts, i have no experience yet.
GotTest
Active member
I'm thinking about Pulsing 40mgEpi/90mg Propadrol, but not sure how to dose this during the Pulse days(time of day).
Anyone have any ideas??
I've also got my eye on Furazodrol, just haven't read many reviews.
UNCfan1
Registered User
Ok guys after much debate with myself this is what I am going to do. One last cycle, a mega pulse cycle.
X-Mass- 120mg- 3x a week
ErgoMax- 20-30mg- 3x a week
^ 4 weeks
Trenadrol- 60-90mg- 3x a week
MethTST- 8-12mg- 3x a week
^ 4 weeks
Superdrol-20-30mg-3x a week
Epistane- 30-50mg-3x a week
^ 4 weeks
Off days-
Restore, Post Cycle Support
PCT-
Dermacrine Sustain, AX Original PCT
Let me know what u guys think.
X-Mass- 120mg- 3x a week
ErgoMax- 20-30mg- 3x a week
^ 4 weeks
Trenadrol- 60-90mg- 3x a week
MethTST- 8-12mg- 3x a week
^ 4 weeks
Superdrol-20-30mg-3x a week
Epistane- 30-50mg-3x a week
^ 4 weeks
Off days-
Restore, Post Cycle Support
PCT-
Dermacrine Sustain, AX Original PCT
Let me know what u guys think.
Leggo my Ego
Well-known member
EasyEJL
Never enough
UNCfan1
Registered User
I hope you mean 6-9mg on trenadrol
LOL!
The bottle says 30mg, used to be 3mg but it changed. So yeah I think its really 6-9mg.
UNCfan1
Registered User
U likey? Hehe, u ran X-mass and TST during ur pulse correct? I will go and have a look in that thread.
Leggo my Ego
Well-known member
I didn't log it but here is one of the summaries from this thread. Post# 595 on Page 20, there are before and after pics attatched.
UNCfan1
Registered User
Thanks Leggo for saving me the trouble. Great results.
pman
Member
I'll bump this one time to see if i can get a responce...i think it got overlooked.
EasyEJL
Never enough
no, just noone knows why
I guess because its rebound not linear. ? I sorta have the idea in my head, but can't put it to words. like when you took it every day, your body ignored it more as taking it on "on" days were days where your body had no need to create test, so the effect is greater now as your body is only getting it with no androgens.
maybe.
Werewolf
Active member
What type of AI and dose are you using?
A short life AI like E-form or 6-OXO taking only on off days would allow estrogen to to come up on on days. Remember estrogen is actually anabolic. I don't see where it would make any difference on long life AI like ATD.
StellaArtois
Member
thats what she said
nightfly71
Active member
What do you guys think of working transdermal 4-AD into a pulse cylce? It'd be dosed 3X/week just like the other 2 compounds I'm using for 6 or 8 weeks.
I'm up about 7 lbs. after 3 weeks on 10 mg. each of an epi clone and Alri's Ergomax LMG. No sides at all so far in what seems to be a good wet and dry combo.
I'm thinking that incorporating 4-AD for the remainder of the pulse, but am seeking opinions. Let's hear them.
I'm up about 7 lbs. after 3 weeks on 10 mg. each of an epi clone and Alri's Ergomax LMG. No sides at all so far in what seems to be a good wet and dry combo.
I'm thinking that incorporating 4-AD for the remainder of the pulse, but am seeking opinions. Let's hear them.
sfearl1
Well-known member
i'll try to find the post but i read that pulsing 4-ad would be pointless. it would be better to run it straight while pulsing the other compounds. i'll go look for it...
Werewolf
Active member
4-AD is way too suppressive to run straight through and think you are on a pulse. No way! Doesn't work right.
The problem with running 4-AD in a pulse is that it adds a lot of suppression for amount of gain you get. It may actually be negative to gain by loss of natural test. 4-AD's best use is to maintain test and estrogen levels to minimum acceptable levels during a very suppressive cycle. You shouldn't need to it maintain to libido since the idea of a pulse is too maintain natural test levels high enough for that purpose. My advice is to save the 4-AD for a cycle that is needed for.
nightfly71
Active member
Thanks for the prompt and practical advice, guys. I'll save the 4-AD for another time. I'll be running out of the Ergomax LMG at the beginning of week 7, so upping the dosage isn't an option w/ that.
What do you guys think of going up to 20 mg. of the epi clone (Oxodrol Pro by IDS), either now going into week 4 or possibly just for weeks 7 and 8 to boost gains a bit at the end?
What do you guys think of going up to 20 mg. of the epi clone (Oxodrol Pro by IDS), either now going into week 4 or possibly just for weeks 7 and 8 to boost gains a bit at the end?
sfearl1
Well-known member
i should of clarified. i didn't mean to keep the idea of pulsing alive (avoiding shutdown), you should run the 4-ad straight through. what i meant was if he wanted to run the other compounds over a longer period of time by pulsing them, the 4-ad would be a good compliment if ran straight through.
EasyEJL
Never enough
I don't entirely disagree with you but have a question. The two bolded parts above? I'm not sure how a suppressive compound helps maintain test levels. I had gathered that 4ad was used to keep libido up, and help with lethargy, but didn't help raise actual test levels. I was considering a 1-t/4ad cycle myself
nightfly71
Active member
I don't entirely disagree with you but have a question. The two bolded parts above? I'm not sure how a suppressive compound helps maintain test levels. I had gathered that 4ad was used to keep libido up, and help with lethargy, but didn't help raise actual test levels. I was considering a 1-t/4ad cycle myself
4-AD converts to testosterone, which in turn suppresses natural production, since it's still coming from an outside source.