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How many use agmatine for health benefits?

I get feeling pissed by Mr Cooper's attitude, but the name calling turns this into an elementary shouting match and completely negates anything professional that hurdle may have to offer.
 
Lol.

Just for a heads up...Mr.Cooper isn't just a forum rep, but the community at large is glad despite his busy schedule that he continues to contribute positive and helpful information as often as he does.

I am sure he will contribute more on the subject when he has time, IF everyone can keep it civil.
 
bolt10 said:
Lol.

Just for a heads up...Mr.Cooper isn't just a forum rep, but the community at large is glad despite his busy schedule that he continues to contribute positive and helpful information as often as he does.

I am sure he will contribute more on the subject when he has time, IF everyone can keep it civil.
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But civility is the killer of entertainment value! :P
 
I'm not trying to act as a professional nor am I representing any of my companies on this forum. I am here purely for fun and sharing information. But having some turd talk down to me in such a way is more than frustrating, and this isn't the first time this person has annoyed me. He may copy and paste tons of studies he finds but I don't see how his knowledge of bodybuilding supplements leads him to being knowledgable about anti-cancer supplements.
 
kissdadookie said:
But civility is the killer of entertainment value! :P
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exactly, and I'm here for entertainment as well as sharing knowledge And why do so many people kiss this guys ass like his schedule is sooo crazy, I'll compare my "to do" list any morning with this fool
 
hurdlemaker said:
exactly, and I'm here for entertainment as well as sharing knowledge

And why do so any people kiss this guys ass like his schedule is sooo crazy, I'll compare my "to do" list any morning with this fool
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Maybe you and coop could start a debate thread on agmatines uses and provide the studies and other valuable information all in one spot. It'd be a great source of info for anyone looking for more information on agmatine.
 
Listen there is a ton of information publicly available about agmatine, just type "agmatine" into google and pages of info will come up. In my opinion it's my favorite supplement I'm taking right now. If your not at least taking 1g pre workout then your missing out. this is the only person on this board I've ever had try and talk down to me. It's just absurd.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Agmatine would be a HORRIBLE choice for someone with cancer, since it stimulates cAMP production systemically and promotes angiogenesis of the tumor. Leave things like this to the professionals
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This is a post from you from last February.

"In fact, all the data I see on agmatine shows ANTI-cancer effects. This is because, like any compound, agmatine has mixed roles in the body. And the net effect of these various roles leads to the prevention, not production, of carcinoma."
 
Well for starters I'm working with an oncology team right now, but you're probably right. Don't get your panties in a bunch now
 
Chefdeez said:
This is a post from you from last February.

"In fact, all the data I see on agmatine shows ANTI-cancer effects. This is because, like any compound, agmatine has mixed roles in the body. And the net effect of these various roles leads to the prevention, not production, of carcinoma."
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Hmm, was the meta-analysis on agmatine's metabolic roles published then? no, it was published in january 2014. Here's a common reality: science evolves.
 
hurdlemaker said:
That's impressive, I give presentations to boards of oncologists
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Good. Then perhaps you should enterain a discussion on the topic rather than go ape**** on one of my posts. I mean you did bring up some fair points, but it was littered with a lot of insults that made me less willing to listen to the actual backing of your argument. I'm blunt, yes, but I don't sling mud. There's a difference my friend. Leave it to the professionals wasn't an insult. I'm not a professional, but oncologists are. That's all the statement was intended to say. In this day and age, therapy has rapidly become personalized for cancer, geared towards the particular genetic mutation (EGFR in adenocarcinoma of the lung; herceptin for HER2 breast cancer; etc). With treatment so personalized, you would absolutely need the supervision of an oncologist before making a product for a broad indication. Hopefully you see my point. For instance, agmatine probably would not work very well for K-RAS specific cancers like NSCLC
 
Fact : many people on here ride coops penis

Fact: he's an educated guy who knows what he's talking about

Myth: science isn't debatable

Myth: very few people look up actual studies to prove their claims here .
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Good. Then perhaps you should enterain a discussion on the topic rather than go ape**** on one of my posts. I mean you did bring up some fair points, but it was littered with a lot of insults that made me less willing to listen to the actual backing of your argument. I'm blunt, yes, but I don't sling mud. There's a difference my friend
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you insulted me first sh!tbird. If I saw u in person I'd slap u right in ur face. So be glad this is a forum and u just get called names
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Hmm, was the meta-analysis on agmatine's metabolic roles published then? no, it was published in january 2014. Here's a common reality: science evolves.
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True. Not trying to start anything just pointing out that new info comes out everyday.
 
hurdlemaker said:
you insulted me first sh!tbird. If I saw u in person I'd slap u right in ur face. So be glad this is a forum and u just get called names
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You're still very angry. I just re-checked the thread and can't find a single insult thrown your way. So you'd physically attack someone for saying "leave it to the professionals?" Come on now, we're not 5 here.
 
I've spent the last 18 months developing a product and you insult my intelligence and tell me to "leave it to the professionals" are you delusional? Do you not see that as an insult? And yes if someone told me that to my face I would slap the **** out of them
 
hurdlemaker said:
I've spent the last 18 months developing a product and you insult my intelligence and tell me to "leave it to the professionals" are you delusional? Do you not see that as an insult? And yes if someone told me that to my face I would slap the **** out of them
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No, I don't see it as an insult. Refer back to page 3. I count 4 or 5 posts with you calling me everything from a turd to a ****bird and beyond. Those are insults. Anyway, just realized you're 29. Please act your age and present your argument coherently without the name-calling. Until them I'm out, and you can have the last word.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
No, I don't see it as an insult. Refer back to page 3. I count 4 or 5 posts with you calling me everything from a turd to a ****bird and beyond. Those are insults. Anyway, just realized you're 29. Please act your age and present your argument coherently without the name-calling. Until them I'm out, and you can have the last word.
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since when is 29 young enough to warrant immaturity? Want to compare a list of accomplishments? You'll get buried. Keep reppin
 
Fact: Men behind the curtain here must have a rather keen if sad understanding of human nature having been privy to nonsense of this drift for 10+ years
 
Mr. Cooper vs Hurdlemaker ForumFight 2014 Will now commence.

Rules:
1. There is no rules.

That being said. Hurdlemaker, if you run companies that make supplements your forum name isn't giving me a lot of feel good feelings. You make hurdles? I don't want my supplements to give me hurdles.. I want to bust through sh*t.

Cooper you aren't getting off either... You promised me a SNS shaker bottle over 2 years ago and I still haven't got it!!! I hold grudges... I did get the Agmatine (Ironically with this being an agmatine thread) and FocusXT but not the shaker bottle!! *shakes fist*

That being said.. I know through a knife into the middle of the forums and the FIGHT IS ON!

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D2footballjrc said:
Mr. Cooper vs Hurdlemaker ForumFight 2014 Will now commence. Rules: 1. There is no rules. That being said. Hurdlemaker, if you run companies that make supplements your forum name isn't giving me a lot of feel good feelings. You make hurdles? I don't want my supplements to give me hurdles.. I want to bust through sh*t. Cooper you aren't getting off either... You promised me a SNS shaker bottle over 2 years ago and I still haven't got it!!! I hold grudges... I did get the Agmatine (Ironically with this being an agmatine thread) and FocusXT but not the shaker bottle!! *shakes fist* That being said.. I know through a knife into the middle of the forums and the FIGHT IS ON!
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im not on here to rep my companies as I've said. I'm here for entertainment and to help some people, this forum helped me accomplish a lot of what I have to this day so I'm merely here to give back a little, not profit off of anyone here. Btw thanks for the motivation on legs day Cooper, just leg pressed 1125lbs for 11, not bad coming off a knee injury, under 9% bf and 2 years without gear. Thanks for getting under my skin. Somebody get that guy in the meme a sandwich, my god. Oh and I'd like to take the 1.5g of agmatine sulfate I took with my pre workout
 
hurdlemaker said:
im not on here to rep my companies as I've said. I'm here for entertainment and to help some people, this forum helped me accomplish a lot of what I have to this day so I'm merely here to give back a little, not profit off of anyone here. Btw thanks for the motivation on legs day Cooper, just leg pressed 1125lbs for 11, not bad coming off a knee injury, under 9% bf and 2 years without gear. Thanks for getting under my skin. Somebody get that guy in the meme a sandwich, my god
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Nice work on the presses!

Glad the aggression got out. I don't want to get involved in said argument. But, it takes away from the thread a little for people who sift through for information. Also it negatively affects the forum if people outside the community sees this

Maybe a PM between you guys can civilly solve said issue and Come back with a co collaborated post on information being seeked in this thread

If you guys have time of course. Anyway, keep up the good work with your research and training, informed members are always nice to have

-EBF
 
EBF Inc said:
Nice work on the presses! Glad the aggression got out. I don't want to get involved in said argument. But, it takes away from the thread a little for people who sift through for information. Also it negatively affects the forum if people outside the community sees this Maybe a PM between you guys can civilly solve said issue and Come back with a co collaborated post on information being seeked in this thread If you guys have time of course. Anyway, keep up the good work with your research and training, informed members are always nice to have -EBF
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I'm over it now, took it out on the weights. Def don't like someone at the level of my employees telling me to leave my career to the professionals tho, lol, but wait that's not to be taken as an insult?! Haha, I think we both agree Agmatine has many benefits for bodybuilding or sports but we may differ on it's role with helping cancer survivors, which is fine, a lot of this science is not definite, maybe I'll throw up some sales figures later this year and we can see how little I know what I'm talking about
 
hurdlemaker said:
I'm over it now, took it out on the weights. Def don't like someone at the level of my employees telling me to leave my career to the professionals tho, lol, but wait that's not to be taken as an insult?! Haha, I think we both agree Agmatine has many benefits for bodybuilding or sports but we may differ on it's role with helping cancer survivors, which is fine, a lot of this science is not definite, maybe I'll throw up some sales figures later this year and we can see how little I know what I'm talking about
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It's not necessary. I know coop , he wasn't attacking you, your business, or anyone for that matter. I think it was more along the lines of based on current MOAs ect he's investigated in regards to this ingredient showed otherwise and your post was without reference

But hey man moving forward now. If you can post up links, PMID, or article names ill be more then happy to read them. My research on agmatine is more for my injury rather then anything else. So additional reading is always welcom
 
hurdlemaker said:
im not on here to rep my companies as I've said. I'm here for entertainment and to help some people, this forum helped me accomplish a lot of what I have to this day so I'm merely here to give back a little, not profit off of anyone here. Btw thanks for the motivation on legs day Cooper, just leg pressed 1125lbs for 11, not bad coming off a knee injury, under 9% bf and 2 years without gear. Thanks for getting under my skin. Somebody get that guy in the meme a sandwich, my god. Oh and I'd like to take the 1.5g of agmatine sulfate I took with my pre workout
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It was satire my dear friend.
 
EBF Inc said:
It's not necessary. I know coop , he wasn't attacking you, your business, or anyone for that matter. I think it was more along the lines of based on current MOAs ect he's investigated in regards to this ingredient showed otherwise and your post was without reference But hey man moving forward now. If you can post up links, PMID, or article names ill be more then happy to read them. My research on agmatine is more for my injury rather then anything else. So additional reading is always welcom
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sorry for not posting original references. That was purely from my head, not copied and pasted from somewhere, I've read many many articles at this point and would have to go back to find ones pertaining to your specific questions. Also sorry for feeling so insulted. You said you have a spine injury?
 
hurdlemaker said:
I'm over it now, took it out on the weights. Def don't like someone at the level of my employees telling me to leave my career to the professionals tho, lol, but wait that's not to be taken as an insult?! Haha, I think we both agree Agmatine has many benefits for bodybuilding or sports but we may differ on it's role with helping cancer survivors, which is fine, a lot of this science is not definite, maybe I'll throw up some sales figures later this year and we can see how little I know what I'm talking about
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Why would your sales matter?
 
hurdlemaker said:
well that's a difficult concept to get, let me take u through it, if the product is selling it must work, therefore I must know what I'm talking about
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Sorry, but just because you're doing good selling something doesn't mean it works or that you know what you talking about, it only means you're a good salesman...
 
And what's the deal with ovaltine? The mug is round, the jar is round, why don't they call it roundtine?
 
alwaysfirst said:
Sorry, but just because you're doing good selling something doesn't meaning it works or that you know what you talking about, it only means you're a good salesman...
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Exactly. I could push herbalife day in and out, sell ridiculous quantities, doesn't mean the products are effective.
 
alwaysfirst said:
Sorry, but just because you're doing good selling something doesn't mean it works or that you know what you talking about, it only means you're a good salesman...
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this is a more intelligent response, as to which I would only be able to respond with repeat sales figures, but to which you could say these people may just think something's working and not even know. Or I could have my product university tested which I'm looking into.
 
hurdlemaker said:
this is a more intelligent response, as to which I would only be able to respond with repeat sales figures, but to which you could say these people may just think something's working and not even know. Or I could have my product university tested which I'm looking into.
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Very few people, if any, can objectively tell if a product is actually doing what it says it should to them.

Using sales as a basis for a products effectiveness is misguided; sales only determine the effectiveness of your marketimg. Testing patients based on your proposed outcomes is the only way to gauge effectiveness.
 
Jiigzz said:
Very few people, if any, can objectively tell if a product is actually doing what it says it should to them. Using sales as a basis for a products effectiveness is misguided; sales only determine the effectiveness of your marketimg. Testing patients based on your proposed outcomes is the only way to gauge effectiveness.
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yes, this is 100% accurate, hence my last sentence, but I can't offer what I don't yet have, so sadly sales is the only proof available until that time
 
Jiigzz said:
Very few people, if any, can objectively tell if a product is actually doing what it says it should to them.

Using sales as a basis for a products effectiveness is misguided; sales only determine the effectiveness of your marketimg. Testing patients based on your proposed outcomes is the only way to gauge effectiveness.
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I can objectively tell the difference of when I where my magnetic bracelet! it definitely boosts my energy and keeps me more balanced by aligning with earth's magnetic field... :P
 
Jiigzz said:
Very few people, if any, can objectively tell if a product is actually doing what it says it should to them. Using sales as a basis for a products effectiveness is misguided; sales only determine the effectiveness of your marketimg. Testing patients based on your proposed outcomes is the only way to gauge effectiveness.
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although when my product is intended to have very noticeable effects to the intended user, things like helping with nausea and greatly improving their overall energy level and allowing them to function more normally, maybe customer feedback will be slightly more than placebo effect. I mean how many people can't tell if their pre workout is working or not?
 
So what is your product used for? While going through chemo or post chemo? Or is it designed to accommodate all cancer patients?
 
hurdlemaker said:
all cancer patients, I tried to make it more generalized as apposed to specific to certain cancers
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I hope your product is reasonably priced and works for the sake of the people taking it. Marketing to cancer patients (people desperate for help) and boasting good sales is a bold move...
 
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