I think it looks great. Citrulline, agmatine, and ALCAR are 3 of my 4 go-to non-stim pre-workout ingredients (the 4th being taurine), and it has great doses of all of them. I also LOVE adaptogens, and eleuthero, rhodiola, and schizandra are some of my favorites. With that said, since I use these adaptogens very frequently myself, not knowing much about the extracts turns me off a bit. Would you happen to know how much salidroside the rhodiola provides, how much eleutherosides the eleuthero provides, and is the 2% listed for the schisandra extract in regards to schizandrins? Or if the extracts are standardized for something else? I know it's possible that you don't want to and/or aren't at liberty to provide this information though.This is the STIM FREE version (just in case that needed clarification).
What's everyone think?
looks pretty good but 10 servings is kind of a let down, you should make a size for people who are willing to just pay more and get a full 30 serves instead. very sweet profile though can't wait to see the stim one.
I think it looks great. Citrulline, agmatine, and ALCAR are 3 of my 4 go-to non-stim pre-workout ingredients (the 4th being taurine), and it has great doses of all of them. I also LOVE adaptogens, and eleuthero, rhodiola, and schizandra are some of my favorites. With that said, since I use these adaptogens very frequently myself, not knowing much about the extracts turns me off a bit. Would you happen to know how much salidroside the rhodiola provides, how much eleutherosides the eleuthero provides, and is the 2% listed for the schisandra extract in regards to schizandrins? Or if the extracts are standardized for something else? I know it's possible that you don't want to and/or aren't at liberty to provide this information though.
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Isn't dmae considered a stimulant? Also what are the uses for adaptogens?
bruh why isn't this in my hands yet...
Looks good for sure. Will definitely be in my rotation. Glad it's nitrate free too. I can add hydro as needed. I'm more concerned with that novel stim though![]()
Disappointed no nitrates but would try...
Personally, with 4g citrulline and 1g agmatine (also what I take from bulk powders), I find that the addition of nitrates doesn't provide any additional benefits.Really?
I think once you give it a shot you'll forget all about those nitrates : )
Really?
I think once you give it a shot you'll forget all about those nitrates : )
So far 4 patented ingredients have been released so one patented stim. Hmm.. what could it be...
Also someone aware me on "elevatp"
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So far 4 patented ingredients have been released so one patented stim. Hmm.. what could it be...
Also someone aware me on "elevatp"
So will the stim version have all this plus stims or are the stims replacing something in this?
I count 5
Alphasize
Nitrosigine
ElevATP
Bioperine
Hydromax
Looks great! Will be buying unless the stim version peaks my interest, But I can just add my stims to this.
I Find Nitrates best on Cardio days so will possibly use hydro3 for cardio and CU for lifting![]()
It will have all the patented stuff, but a number of things in the stim free profile are unique to it only.
^ this. Once ingredients are revealed for the stim version, you'll want to pick up a tub of each.![]()
Can somebody link me to a study in resistance trained males, showing benefits associated with oral ingestion of Marc Lobliner's new form of Creatine, Creatinol O Phosphate? I've looked and all I can find are cardio-protective injections, and some stuff in Italian dealing with influenza.
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Can somebody link me to a study in resistance trained males, showing benefits associated with oral ingestion of Marc Lobliner's new form of Creatine, Creatinol O Phosphate? I've looked and all I can find are cardio-protective injections, and some stuff in Italian dealing with influenza.
COP is not creatine.
Here it is folks-- nutraplanet release of CU and stim free CU Invalid Link Removed
When you order BPI whey HD protein, you get free shipping on the whole order too. You're seeing this out ahead of the NP email going out tomorrow morning so get yours first!
Here it is folks-- nutraplanet release of CU and stim free CU Invalid Link Removed
When you order BPI whey HD protein, you get free shipping on the whole order too. You're seeing this out ahead of the NP email going out tomorrow morning so get yours first!
whoa...
out of curiosity, why only 250 mg. of Alpha-GPC in the stimulant free version (who knows how much in the stimulant version)? The studies used 600 mg., and many people find 900 mg. to be more effective.
Thanks,
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