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DR.D said:
Interesting. What is your reference or standard? I mean, is there an even more accurate way you've found that suggests that 2% is really there? I hear water chamber displacement is a good method, but I'm not sure how that works either. I don't guess it really matters, just like you though, I'd like an accurate way to gauge no matter what system I apply. Thanks, J.
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Reference and/or standard is experience using every way possible. If you want complete accurate results, use the dip tank. Its fun.
 
Bobo said:
DR.D said:
Depends on genetics but the maximum amounts that have been speculated (within research circles) is 1-2lbs per week at the most optimal levels in untrained athtletes. It changes to much less with trained athletes.

27lbs in 4 weeks is fantasy land.
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OK, now I think your kidding! 1 or 2 lbs fat loss/per wk? Is that what you mean? There are many diet, drug and training protocols which will yield better results than that, and everybody is familiar with a case or two that contradicts what these 'researchers' say. Gimme a break. We all know somebody who has lost more fat than that if not from personal experience ourselves doing it. Were these researchers jacking their metabolism with T4, adrenergic, carb deprived, etc.. or just using a standard training protocol? You know it's possible to do better, whether it's healthy or not is another issue.
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DR.D said:
Bobo said:
OK, now I think your kidding! 1 or 2 lbs fat loss/per wk? Is that what you mean? There are many diet, drug and training protocols which will yield better results than that, and everybody is familiar with a case or two that contradicts what these 'researchers' say. Gimme a break. We all know somebody who has lost more fat than that if not from personal experience ourselves doing it. Were these researchers jacking their metabolism with T4, adrenergic, carb deprived, etc.. or just using a standard training protocol? You know it's possible to do better, whether it's healthy or not is another issue.
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"27lbs in 4 weeks is fantasy land."


MUSCLE GAIN, NOT FAT LOSS.


And considering you stated this:

"Were these researchers jacking their metabolism with T4, adrenergic, carb deprived, etc."

the muscle gain is even LESS BELIEVABLE.
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DR.D said:
"27lbs in 4 weeks is fantasy land."


MUSCLE GAIN, NOT FAT LOSS.


And considering you stated this:

"Were these researchers jacking their metabolism with T4, adrenergic, carb deprived, etc."

the muscle gain is even LESS BELIEVABLE.
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Bobo, it is in the high range, but it's not uncommon for me to gain 23lbs lean mass in a month. Then again, I'm using one of those scales you don't like, but it's all controlled by metabolism and if your thyroid contribution has you repairing overtime, all you need is enough nitrogen to foster that growth and enough glycogen to precede that growth. It is not impossible. I know you don't like all the drug use, but at least open your mind and face the possibilities.
 
DR.D said:
This is not a log, just my observations on it's effectiveness. I used 100mcg (10units) of the fragment per night reconstituted to 1.0 ml with 0.9% BA bacteriostatic water.

The results were amazing. In 4 wks, I went from 16.0% BF to 5.6% BF. I did not change my diet and was bulking actually, so I was quite impressed. I am not sure if anybody has been taking this peptide seriously, but I can tell you for sure that it's the real deal!
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The original post gave me the impression that this was the only substance used... and then the list gets bigger, and bigger,.. including 100mcg 2x daily, prop, T4,...
Then I recall some logs of the fragment not really turning out so hot..
Then I found out what company he works for,..

Something inside just feels suspicious.... (aside from the original numbers)

But anyways,.. I don't know WHY I felt it necessesary to share that...:blink:
 
DR.D said:
Bobo, it is in the high range, but it's not uncommon for me to gain 23lbs lean mass in a month. Then again, I'm using one of those scales you don't like, but it's all controlled by metabolism and if your thyroid contribution has you repairing overtime, all you need is enough nitrogen to foster that growth and enough glycogen to precede that growth. It is not impossible. I know you don't like all the drug use, but at least open your mind and face the possibilities.
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23lbs of mass is not 23lbs of muscle.

For you to even suggest the possibility of you losing 22lbs of fat and gaining 27lbs of muscle (a 49lb swing) in 4 weeks while completely breaking the laws of thermodynamics is ludicrous.

I don't doubt you gained muscle and lost fat (and are extremely lean considering what you've used) but not in the range that you suggest no matter how many drugs you've used. Even the pros around here that use more than you would laugh at that report considering it takes them 16-20 weeks to lose 30+ lbs while maintaining their mass using copious amounts of drugs.
 
Heeeeeeeee's Baaaaaaaaaaack :D

ManBeast
(I think I'll stop hijacking this thread for now :D)
 
xtraflossy said:
The original post gave me the impression that this was the only substance used... and then the list gets bigger, and bigger,.. including 100mcg 2x daily, prop, T4,...
Then I recall some logs of the fragment not really turning out so hot..
Then I found out what company he works for,..

Something inside just feels suspicious.... (aside from the original numbers)

But anyways,.. I don't know WHY I felt it necessesary to share that...:blink:
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If you think I'm pushing product, and therefore fabricating data, then don't try it! Also, you don't know me that well if that's what you think. You've been hanging out at the wrong boards too it sounds like! Damn, I hope this board is getting like that also.

Anyway, the peptide worked for me. I wouldn't put my name on it if it didn't. Try it or not, I don't care at this point, but don't say I didn't tell you. It works well.
 
Dr. D.
First off I hold you at the highest esteem and have for some time. I just don't understand how you could be so versed in some facets of Bodybuilding and so obtuse in others. The stats you listed are atypical, implausible, and miraculous to say the least but I'll leave that at that. I look forward to hearing about more of your experiences in the future.
 
I'll stick with the ghrelin antagonist.. ;)

Anything that keeps me 205lbs with abs while not changing my diet or adding cardio is worth my $45 per mg..
 
jminis said:
BioHazzard that's enough of that. Please refrain from calling someone a waste. The man had a family to support, sometimes vanity takes a back seat. Consider this a warning.

Dr. D it sounds like you had great results but the scales are not accurate. In the future go by the calipers. It's easy to do somewhat accurate and as long as it's done by the same person it can measure progress rather well. General rule of thumb for me is whatever I measure out to be with the calipers I ad 2%.
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I said it is a fvcking WASTE to expend all the effort and money and time, and to end up back to square one. It isn't him being a waste. Duh! It is all his years of effort, money for gears and all the cycling and training and dieteing, that is a fvcking waste.

EDIT: Settle down. Jminis is doing his job so do NOT give him **** about it.
 
Dr D,

The crux of the error here is the BIA method. That's pretty much the beginning & the end of that one, but I'll go on, what the hell.

I believe 100% that you gained muscle & lost fat. But the degree to which your instruments indicate just ain't possible in the realm of reality.

I once worked with a heart transplant patient who came off of 90 days of complete bed rest. He lost appx 25 lbs of LBM during that time. It took him only 2 months to gain it back. This was the only case I've seen where the LBM re-gain was this quick without packing on the sumo layer.

Moral of the story: If you went on 100% bedrest for 3 months before bouncing back into form (measuring your progress with calipers or DEXA or hydrostatic), I might believe it.

'Grats on your progress though.
 
I need 3 months of bedrest.

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BioHazzard said:
I said it is a fvcking WASTE to expend all the effort and money and time, and to end up back to square one. It isn't him being a waste. Duh! It is all his years of effort, money for gears and all the cycling and training and dieteing, that is a fvcking waste.

EDIT: Settle down. Jminis is doing his job so do NOT give him **** about it.
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Well as others have said, those who recently met him at the O he's not back to square one. There's a way to voice your opinion without being an a$$. His numbers are off we get that but to bash him for taking care of his family while training takes a back seat, there's no excuse. You'll learn that someday.
 
DR.D said:
If you think I'm pushing product, and therefore fabricating data, then don't try it! Also, you don't know me that well if that's what you think. You've been hanging out at the wrong boards too it sounds like! Damn, I hope this board is getting like that also.

Anyway, the peptide worked for me. I wouldn't put my name on it if it didn't. Try it or not, I don't care at this point, but don't say I didn't tell you. It works well.
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Easy tiger,... :blink:
First, what I said was that at first, I thought you were using the the fragment solo. I was more dissapointed that this was not the case. I didnt think you were fabricating data,.. as you really didnt provide any (pictures, or something other then bodyfat measurements that even you confirmed might not be the most accurate)
What kind of a comment was that about "other boards"? Thats is neither here or there,.. and not that it would influence me otherwise. I came to AM to escape a lot of BS I hear at many other boards...and havent looked back since. I visit no other board regularily.
Also,.. I have thrown litterally hundreds of $$ towards peptides, which you might even be able to confirm yourself :study:
Can't a guy just be dissapointed that this amazing transformation wasn't entirely the work of a magic peptide alone! :fart:
 
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