help me sleep

snagencyV2.0 said:
it's no more habit-forming than the preWO product you enjoy, with your stimulant in it

or that melatonin you 'need' to fall asleep..

or those nootropics that some companies make and their reps push all over the place..

some things that are said by some in relation to other companies and their products..sheesh :(

smhs
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I disagree. Phenibut addiction is a real danger. While it may be overblown to some degree, you'll find a lot of negative feedback especially when you consider the relatively small subset of consumers vs. melatonin or a staple like caffeine.

Now I'm of the persuasion that phenibut should be available and people should be allowed to use it responsibly or abuse it, I don't care. What I don't like is that I had to Google 4-amino-3-phenyl-butric acid! Picamilion and GABA are also labeled for a chemistry student, not your run of the mill consumer.

I've taken a product similar to G8 before with macuna, GABA and phenibut and I quite enjoyed it. It recommended a 5 on 2 off scheme or maybe 2 on 1 off. G8 is recommended daily, albeit it does mention in the fine print: Do not use for more than 30 days without a 90 day break. I've never seen a company feel the need to put a warning like that on a product with designer stims, nootropics or melatonin. I don't know what Finaflex is trying to achieve with the funny labeling but they should be aware that to many of us it looks like an attempt at deception.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
it's no more habit-forming than the preWO product you enjoy, with your stimulant in it

or that melatonin you 'need' to fall asleep..

or those nootropics that some companies make and their reps push all over the place..

some things that are said by some in relation to other companies and their products..sheesh :(

smhs
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Haha, not sure I understand your negative feedback that my question to Cooper about his GABA comment was "it's disrespectful how I carry myself."

So I see if someone has a question about your product that might relate to a health concern you bash them. I, however, was not even asking about a Finaflex product.

Coming from the days when I used to buy GHB over the counter, hot stuff and orange triad, I think it prudent not to just take anyone's advise as to the safety or efficacy of anything, especially if not a doctor. Nevertheless, I was interested in what Cooper was saying about GABA before you interjected and repeated the same safe as any pre workout. Not my question, but thanks for the information.
 
996ttelise said:
Haha, not sure I understand your negative feedback that my question to Cooper about his GABA comment was "it's disrespectful how I carry myself."

So I see if someone has a question about your product that might relate to a health concern you bash them.

Coming from the days when I used to buy GHB over the counter, hot stuff and orange triad, I think it prudent not to just take anyone's advise as to the safety or efficacy of anything, especially if not a doctor. Nevertheless, I was interested in what Cooper was saying about GABA before you interjected and repeated the same safe as any pre workout. Not my question, but thanks for the information.
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not at all
you are only the second person i have ever negged on this site -- and the other was a Finflex-stalker

you posted your question, i gave you an answer

you then re-posted your question, and yes that is quite disrespectful

i think we all can go thru threads we are subscribed to, and see what questions are there to be answered

when you get an answer - and i don't care if you like mine or not, doesn't matter to me -- and then repost in flagrant view, you appear to be minimizing and yes disrespecting the poster who answered you

my answer was a combination of disapproval of another rep commenting on our product line, and answering your question about GABA

i stand by my neg
 
Lutztenways said:
I disagree. Phenibut addiction is a real danger. While it may be overblown to some degree, you'll find a lot of negative feedback especially when you consider the relatively small subset of consumers vs. melatonin or a staple like caffeine.

Now I'm of the persuasion that phenibut should be available and people should be allowed to use it responsibly or abuse it, I don't care. What I don't like is that I had to Google 4-amino-3-phenyl-butric acid! Picamilion and GABA are also labeled for a chemistry student, not your run of the mill consumer.

I've taken a product similar to G8 before with macuna, GABA and phenibut and I quite enjoyed it. It recommended a 5 on 2 off scheme or maybe 2 on 1 off. G8 is recommended daily, albeit it does mention in the fine print: Do not use for more than 30 days without a 90 day break. I've never seen a company feel the need to put a warning like that on a product with designer stims, nootropics or melatonin. I don't know what Finaflex is trying to achieve with the funny labeling but they should be aware that to many of us it looks like an attempt at deception.
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Phenibut, haha. I see. That can create a nice little tolerance, addiction and withdrawal issue.

What about GABA? I also heard it was pretty benign and does not really cross BBB. Is there anything about GABA that is potentially dangerous? Just curious what Cooper was getting at and maybe I just misunderstood.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
not at all
you are only the second person i have ever negged on this site -- and the other was a Finflex-stalker

you posted your question, i gave you an answer

you then re-posted your question, and yes that is quite disrespectful

i think we all can go thru threads we are subscribed to, and see what questions are there to be answered

when you get an answer - and i don't care if you like mine or not, doesn't matter to me -- and then repost in flagrant view, you appear to be minimizing and yes disrespecting the poster who answered you

my answer was a combination of disapproval of another rep commenting on our product line, and answering your question about GABA

i stand by my neg
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Can Neg me all you want. I have no idea what your talking about discussing GABA. Lay off the roids and stimulates man, you gonna stroke.

As far as Finaflex, I had never heard of your company before so I certainly am not stalking a company I have heard of. All in your mind bro.
 
Lutztenways said:
What I don't like is that I had to Google 4-amino-3-phenyl-butric acid! Picamilion and GABA are also labeled for a chemistry student, not your run of the mill consumer.

I've taken a product similar to G8 before with macuna, GABA and phenibut and I quite enjoyed it. It recommended a 5 on 2 off scheme or maybe 2 on 1 off. G8 is recommended daily, albeit it does mention in the fine print: Do not use for more than 30 days without a 90 day break. I've never seen a company feel the need to put a warning like that on a product with designer stims, nootropics or melatonin. I don't know what Finaflex is trying to achieve with the funny labeling but they should be aware that to many of us it looks like an attempt at deception.
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we spell out the actual structure on our label..
we have a contraindication warning on our label..
and yet you claim we are being deceptive?
please explain

as for no warning label on nootropics: that seems deceptive, to me

mental addiction is every bit as real a dnager as physical addiction
i'm not so sure there is 'zero' physical addiction to those things anyway, tbh
 
996ttelise said:
Can Neg me all you want. I have no idea what your talking about discussing GABA. Lay off the roids and stimulates man, you gonna stroke.

As far as Finaflex, I had never heard of your company before so I certainly am not stalking a company I have heard of. All in your mind bro.
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you reaffirm that my neg went to good use

thank you for your personal insults, carry on
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
you reaffirm that my neg went to good use

thank you for your personal insults, carry on
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Ah ha, I see the repost above at 9:02 and 9:25 in question to Cooper about GABA in the NIght Rest product I take. Haha, that was an iPhone gliche and had nothing to do with you or your response . . .
 
500mcg-1mg of Melatonin could be very useful.

I have also enjoyed Poseidon NT on a few occasions. Didn't really initiate sleep for me, but the sleep I did get was much deeper and restful.
 
All I can say is all the new sleep supplements are very interesting, and the better ones seem to be a combination of ALL of the latest
sleep ingredients, to cover all bases.

My order of MAN REM PM and Iforce Lights-out comes in today, so I will try one tonight. After years of neglect, the supplement industry
is finally paying attention to sleep health. Some products work on fat, control cortisol, adrenal system, testosterone, metabolic rate,
growth hormone release etc. I want to try Finalflex G8 but it's pretty expensive for only 20 servings, but I did hear that it is really good.


I am going to try the MAN REM PM tonight and will let you know what I think.
 
996ttelise said:
Ah ha, I see the repost above at 9:02 and 9:25 in question to Cooper about GABA in the NIght Rest product I take. Haha, that was an iPhone gliche and had nothing to do with you or your response . . .
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as many times as you have edited your responses now, i ponder the veracity of your statement on 'phone glitch'..

alas - i will give you the benefit of the doubt that we have simply had a misunderstanding here, and will be happy to put this behind us
 
1. I was making an inside-joke to jiigz about notation of compounds (we were talking about this in another thread). The entire post was not serious except:

2. Phenibut is habit-forming. Period. SNS makes it too, and we recommend no more than a few times a week for that reason.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
1. I was making an inside-joke to jiigz about notation of compounds (we were talking about this in another thread). The entire post was not serious except:

2. Phenibut is habit-forming. Period. SNS makes it too, and we recommend no more than a few times a week for that reason.
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thank you for the clarification

however, inside joke is just that -- you inside, and everyone else on the outside

problematic, in a public forum
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Sorry
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accepted, of course.

you've got keen insight into a lot of things, and it is a joy to read your thoughts..
but, it is a double-edged sword, as many here on the forums take your word at face value, believe anything you say to be true, without ever questioning what you post
as a rep for a competing company, it is a fine line to dissect or discuss other products your company does not make

just something to keep in mind, my .02

we move on, brother.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Careful, G8 is habit-forming. I actually think the profile is decent but won't be investing because they had to label GABA in a dubious way :D
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Haha, yes. Since you told me about the chem website I have been using it for this very purpose.
Makes things much easier to, err translate :D I only tend to use the product on those days I just HAVE to get to sleep, otherwise melatonin it is.

Valdez said:
The only thing that worked for me when I worked on the ambulance was xanex. I feel your pain shift work is gnarly. I used to 36 hours in the front seat of an ambulance on some shifts... Straight
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36 hours? Thats a whole weeks worth of work and you used to do it in a day and a half. I take my hat off to you good sir ;)

Hope you were using a tonne of Focus XT :D
 
I used MAN PM and Iforce lights-out and think the Iforce product is a little better for "knocking" me out. I had a better sleep experience with the Iforce product, but only took one pill from each product. I am going to try 2 pills from each company and see what that does, may be a different
experience all together. I attained deeper sleep with lights-out and had pretty decent dreams. MAN PM was decent also, but since I weigh
240lbs I may benefit from 2 pills instead of the one pill I took.
 
zv3 said:
I used MAN PM and Iforce lights-out and think the Iforce product is a little better for "knocking" me out. I had a better sleep experience with the Iforce product, but only took one pill from each product. I am going to try 2 pills from each company and see what that does, may be a different
experience all together. I attained deeper sleep with lights-out and had pretty decent dreams. MAN PM was decent also, but since I weigh
240lbs I may benefit from 2 pills instead of the one pill I took.
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I highly recommend using 2 caps of LiGHts Out so you get the full 500mg(and clinically proven) dosage of L-Dopa. In a study done in 1975, healthy subject taking this dose increased their HGH output by an average of 1400%(I **** you not). Levels went from 1.5mg/ml of blood to 20mg/ml of blood.
 
Jiigzz said:
Haha, yes. Since you told me about the chem website I have been using it for this very purpose.
Makes things much easier to, err translate :D I only tend to use the product on those days I just HAVE to get to sleep, otherwise melatonin it is.



36 hours? Thats a whole weeks worth of work and you used to do it in a day and a half. I take my hat off to you good sir ;)

Hope you were using a tonne of Focus XT :D
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There it is lmao!!!! 36 hours in a week and a half; I was confused...I wish I had focus back then!!!

- Valdez
 
VaughnTrue said:
I highly recommend using 2 caps of LiGHts Out so you get the full 500mg(and clinically proven) dosage of L-Dopa. In a study done in 1975, healthy subject taking this dose increased their HGH output by an average of 1400%(I **** you not). Levels went from 1.5mg/ml of blood to 20mg/ml of blood.
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Not to mention the benefits fo 5-HTP as well.
 
Valdez said:
There it is lmao!!!! 36 hours in a week and a half; I was confused...I wish I had focus back then!!!

- Valdez
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Haha, I changed it as soon as I saw it. Too quick for me lol.
 
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