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Hey boys, I been getting heart palpitations now off and on for the past 3-4 years now. Been to the doctor for it. Wore a holter, done an EKG, done an ECG seen a cardiologist and had buncha blood work done. Everything says I'm normal. Cardiologist told me that some people just get heart palpitations and it's no big deal. I told him that sometimes when I go hard in the gym it can trigger them and he told me not to worry about it because hard training increases adrenaline which will increase palpitations. Anyway, today I was training and I'm on a new routine with a coach. He has me doing stuff in the 12-15 rep range where I normally train in the 6-10 rep range. I think this new style of training may be triggering more palpitations as I'm breathing harder and maybe holding my breath and pushing and these palpitations scare the hell out of me however I am still here and alive and well. Does anyone else get them and wanna tell me about it? I'm pretty stressed and I hate them 😞
 
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I get them from time to time mostly after a workout. Sometimes I’ll randomly get them though. It’s okay to get them every now and then, having worked in a lab with EKGs everyone throws some sort of PVC from time to time etc. it’s normal the heart isn’t perfect and sometimes things overlap a bit.

Holding your breath and performing the valsalva maneuver puts tremendous stress on the heart though which could be triggering it. If you’re getting them more and more frequently throughout the day and not during training then I’d worry but if you only get them when training then just relax and breath a bit more. Stressing over it isn’t going to make them any better. If your ekg came back normal then you’re probably a ok.

You could have a strong sympathetic nervous system drive as well which will be trying to constantly elevate your heart rate to ~120 bpm whereas your parasympathetic is just trying to keep your heart in the 60-80 range. Training would increase sympathetic drive during and for a bit after so you could just be feeling the effects of the two “duking it out” so to speak
 
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I get them from time to time mostly after a workout. Sometimes I’ll randomly get them though. It’s okay to get them every now and then, having worked in a lab with EKGs everyone throws some sort of PVC from time to time etc. it’s normal the heart isn’t perfect and sometimes things overlap a bit.

Holding your breath and performing the valsalva maneuver puts tremendous stress on the heart though which could be triggering it. If you’re getting them more and more frequently throughout the day and not during training then I’d worry but if you only get them when training then just relax and breath a bit more. Stressing over it isn’t going to make them any better. If your ekg came back normal then you’re probably a ok.

You could have a strong sympathetic nervous system drive as well which will be trying to constantly elevate your heart rate to ~120 bpm whereas your parasympathetic is just trying to keep your heart in the 60-80 range. Training would increase sympathetic drive during and for a bit after so you could just be feeling the effects of the two “duking it out” so to speak
Wow that's very interesting! And actually I get them randomly too! However I can go a month without any at all, and then I can have a day where I can have a few here and there throughout the day. I've noticed for the most part when I get them it's usually in the morning after my coffee which obviously makes sense. As far as the gym goes sometimes straining when lifting during those last reps will trigger them and sometimes HIIT. I've also noticed if I didn't sleep well and feel like crap I am more likely to have them as opposed to when I'm well rested
 
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I get them from time to time mostly after a workout. Sometimes I’ll randomly get them though. It’s okay to get them every now and then, having worked in a lab with EKGs everyone throws some sort of PVC from time to time etc. it’s normal the heart isn’t perfect and sometimes things overlap a bit.

Holding your breath and performing the valsalva maneuver puts tremendous stress on the heart though which could be triggering it. If you’re getting them more and more frequently throughout the day and not during training then I’d worry but if you only get them when training then just relax and breath a bit more. Stressing over it isn’t going to make them any better. If your ekg came back normal then you’re probably a ok.

You could have a strong sympathetic nervous system drive as well which will be trying to constantly elevate your heart rate to ~120 bpm whereas your parasympathetic is just trying to keep your heart in the 60-80 range. Training would increase sympathetic drive during and for a bit after so you could just be feeling the effects of the two “duking it out” so to speak
Wow that's very interesting! And actually I get them randomly too! However I can go a month without any at all, and then I can have a day where I can have a few here and there throughout the day. I've noticed for the most part when I get them it's usually in the morning after my coffee which obviously makes sense. As far as the gym goes sometimes straining when lifting during those last reps will trigger them and sometimes HIIT. I've also noticed if I didn't sleep well and feel like crap I am more likely to have them as opposed to when I'm well rested
 
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Yup sounds pretty normal to me. If they bother you that much then cut out the caffeine and other stimulants and it’ll help
 
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I also have palpitations. Definitely have to watch the anger, the breath in training, and I avoid most stimulants entirely...
 

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Definitely making sure you breath correctly during workouts will help that. If every test said you were gtg you shouldn’t be worried imo.
 

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Also maybe an electrolyte imbalance, could be caused by too much or not enough water, or maybe low or high potassium.
 
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Look up symptoms of magnesium deficiency. Since I supplemented 2 weeks with Magnesium malate, heart skipping gone.
 
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I get heart palpitations too.
Punkrocker, how long did you have the halter monitor? When they did mine for a day, they didn't find anything. When they did it for a whole week, using an iRhythm Zio, they found all kinds of stuff.
But I assume they checked your thyroid, potassium levels, magnesium levels, etc. Yeah, definitely stay away from stims, alcohol, and keep yourself hydrated.
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I get heart palpitations too.
Punkrocker, how long did you have the halter monitor? When they did mine for a day, they didn't find anything. When they did it for a whole week, using an iRhythm Zio, they found all kinds of stuff.
But I assume they checked your thyroid, potassium levels, magnesium levels, etc. Yeah, definitely stay away from stims, alcohol, and keep yourself hydrated.
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I wore a holter monitor for 24 hours on two separate occasions and neither time did they find anything wrong. I have had an echocardiogram and numerous EKGs which also have showed no problems. Yes I have had my electrolytes checked as well as magnesium thyroid etc and full blood panels. I saw the cardiologists after my echocardiogram and he told me that my palpitations are benign and if they bother me that much he would give me a beta blocker however I denied. I am pretty sure I am okay however when I get palpitations more often I begin to freak out and start to think that everybody is wrong and I'm going to die lol I really hate the fact that I get heart palpitations
 
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Punkrocker,
I found metoprolol (beta blocker) helpful. I take 12.5 mg (half a pill) twice a day.
Previously I was taking the betablocker "betapace" also called "sotalol. It made my very depressed and I lost my zest for life. I didn't want to take beta blockers either, but at least for me, they turned out to be necessary.
I still get palpitations if I get upset / stressed.
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Also maybe an electrolyte imbalance, could be caused by too much or not enough water, or maybe low or high potassium.
That would be my guess too. I get them if I don't take 3 potassium gluconate pills 2-3x daily (sometime more this time of year) but it's the only thing that consistently stops the palps.

Tinytoad is right too, a low dose beta-blocker MIGHT help, but it can also exacerbate some forms of arrhythmia so be cautious and ask your doc for a cardioselective one.
 

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Damn it i got them again. They seem to be closely connected to my panic disorder when it starts. I drank green tea this morning so maybe that tiny bit of caffeine contributed.
 
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Damn it i got them again. They seem to be closely connected to my panic disorder when it starts. I drank green tea this morning so maybe that tiny bit of caffeine contributed.
Are you on thyroid hormones, or beta-agonists? Caffeine is generally not a problem. Tea has Theophylline, which can be a problem, but one glass wouldn't do it. Get some Potassium, it's cheap and it helps.
 

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Are you on thyroid hormones, or beta-agonists? Caffeine is generally not a problem. Tea has Theophylline, which can be a problem, but one glass wouldn't do it. Get some Potassium, it's cheap and it helps.
I am not taking any medications except testosterone enanthate and exemestane. I dont do any other drugs, i dont smoke, i dont drink and i dont use pre workouts.
They happened after a heavy superset during my last workout which scared the hell out of me, as those were 5 consecutive palpitations as i was breathing in gasping for air.
If they happen normally during the day, it is always when i am lying in bed.
 
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I am not taking any medications except testosterone enanthate and exemestane. I dont do any other drugs, i dont smoke, i dont drink and i dont use pre workouts.
They happened after a heavy superset during my last workout which scared the hell out of me, as those were 5 consecutive palpitations as i was breathing in gasping for air.
If they happen normally during the day, it is always when i am lying in bed.
It sounds like you may have some atypical form of arrhythmia. Have you ever had an ECG to look for unusual conductive activity? (forgive me if you already answered that somewhere)

Also, people forget that the heart is electric! Even having your wireless router too close to your bed, or having a high EMF transformer outside your room may promote abnormal beats just when resting. Try to minimize or clean up sources of unnecessary radio emission. Like turning equipment off if you aren't using it.

And high pulse rates can do it too, like preforming super or drop sets. Anytime my pulse goes over 175 i get pretty queasy and tend to get palps too. Maybe a little more rest in between sets would help?

But the big one is Potassium. It covers many bases for heart health IME.
 

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It sounds like you may have some atypical form of arrhythmia. Have you ever had an ECG to look for unusual conductive activity? (forgive me if you already answered that somewhere)

Also, people forget that the heart is electric! Even having your wireless router too close to your bed, or having a high EMF transformer outside your room may promote abnormal beats just when resting. Try to minimize or clean up sources of unnecessary radio emission. Like turning equipment off if you aren't using it.

And high pulse rates can do it too, like preforming super or drop sets. Anytime my pulse goes over 175 i get pretty queasy and tend to get palps too. Maybe a little more rest in between sets would help?

But the big one is Potassium. It covers many bases for heart health IME.
I would say that the main cause for those palpitations was very high pulse. I really did push it to the edge, was also full of adrenaline.

I am trying to get this idea of beast mode aggression while training out of my head as it will only get me injured (or worse, from what we can see). Keeping my cool but still lifting fiercely, that is an art i am trying to master.
 

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Op I have your same symptoms every 3 days or so for last couple of years. I haven't had one in the past 3 weeks. 6 weeks ago I started two new supplements biotest flameout and ma labs Veda-Gest 1 flameout and two Veda-Gest at lunch not sure if they just stopped or if it's these they suck badly and even made me depressed so I'm hoping this is it.
 
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Are you guys on a low carb diet? Or not taking AIs with your test?

You should also be more careful taking PUFAs like fish oil so causally, without any protection. They are truly cardiotoxic, whether they lower cholesterol or not, and too much Omega-3 is positively associated with palpatations, especially in middle aged men because that's when PUFA concentrations seem to increase naturally anyway. Varicose veins are also another tell-tale sign your estrogen or Omega-3 intake may be too high. Think about how much that vascular distention can kill your cardiac effeciency!

Don't jump on the fish oil bandwagon without doing your research. We all made that mistake, but it's not too late to start taking the right oils.
 

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Are you guys on a low carb diet? Or not taking AIs with your test?

You should also be more careful taking PUFAs like fish oil so causally, without any protection. They are truly cardiotoxic, whether they lower cholesterol or not, and too much Omega-3 is positively associated with palpatations, especially in middle aged men because that's when PUFA concentrations seem to increase naturally anyway. Varicose veins are also another tell-tale sign your estrogen or Omega-3 intake may be too high. Think about how much that vascular distention can kill your cardiac effeciency!

Don't jump on the fish oil bandwagon without doing your research. We all made that mistake, but it's not too late to start taking the right oils.
Not low carb diet, quite the contrary to be honest. I am trying to go as low on fats as i can without compromising variety in my diet (~15% fats).
However, about a month ago i finished 500mg testosterone per week blast and my workouts have been more intense and aggressive than ever. I got them here and there (palpitations) during the blast, on like 3 occassions, again, always when pulse rate was pretty much maxed out.
 
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Not low carb diet, quite the contrary to be honest. I am trying to go as low on fats as i can without compromising variety in my diet (~15% fats).
However, about a month ago i finished 500mg testosterone per week blast and my workouts have been more intense and aggressive than ever. I got them here and there (palpitations) during the blast, on like 3 occassions, again, always when pulse rate was pretty much maxed out.
Yeah, me too, most likely when my pulse rate gets too high. When I start feeling queezy, that's my sign to take a lil' break before I force the issue. :)

Also, if you're getting enough carbs (sugars) that's good for discouraging palps, but if you're cutting fats are you at least replacing the important ones? Coconut oil is a good all purpose option for palp prevention and weight loss, because monos (Omega-9s) and saturated fats don't promote palp and the MCT component of Coconut is not stored as fat and also stimulated transient thyroid output. Coconut is also best at shifting HDL/LDL ratio of any of the common oils, including fish oil.
 

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Yeah, me too, most likely when my pulse rate gets too high. When I start feeling queezy, that's my sign to take a lil' break before I force the issue. :)

Also, if you're getting enough carbs (sugars) that's good for discouraging palps, but if you're cutting fats are you at least replacing the important ones? Coconut oil is a good all purpose option for palp prevention and weight loss, because monos (Omega-9s) and saturated fats don't promote palp and the MCT component of Coconut is not stored as fat and also stimulated transient thyroid output. Coconut is also best at shifting HDL/LDL ratio of any of the common oils, including fish oil.
Actually had lipid panel done today. I am going to post results.
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Total cholesterol is fine, but i would like to get both the hdl and ldl a bit better.
i am going to seriously start eating garlic. Also green tea is something i used to drink, lately because of the caffeine it has been giving me troubles with my panic attacks but might as well suck it up.

Also coconut oil you say.
And of course, bodyfat, i am in the process of lowering it.
 
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Are you guys on a low carb diet? Or not taking AIs with your test?

You should also be more careful taking PUFAs like fish oil so causally, without any protection. They are truly cardiotoxic, whether they lower cholesterol or not, and too much Omega-3 is positively associated with palpatations, especially in middle aged men because that's when PUFA concentrations seem to increase naturally anyway. Varicose veins are also another tell-tale sign your estrogen or Omega-3 intake may be too high. Think about how much that vascular distention can kill your cardiac effeciency!

Don't jump on the fish oil bandwagon without doing your research. We all made that mistake, but it's not too late to start taking the right oils.
OMG dude I take 5000mg of fish oil every day since like 2013!!!!! OMG!! I'm stopping now. Yeah man I still get my palpitations everyday! Went to the doctor again and im sure they think I'm insane lol. I have an appointment with the cardiologist again hoping that he can provide some reassurance. The only other thing im thinking is that I've Increased my trt for the summer to make gains. I was doing 200mg per week which put my levels around 900. Now I'm doing 280mg which puts me around 1500. Gives me a slight edge. I was wondering if that has something to do with it but I got blood work and my estrogen is in range and everything else looks good and also I've had palpitations when I had lower test levels too. Definitely gonna stop the fish oil now lol
 

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Yeah, me too, most likely when my pulse rate gets too high. When I start feeling queezy, that's my sign to take a lil' break before I force the issue. :)

Also, if you're getting enough carbs (sugars) that's good for discouraging palps, but if you're cutting fats are you at least replacing the important ones? Coconut oil is a good all purpose option for palp prevention and weight loss, because monos (Omega-9s) and saturated fats don't promote palp and the MCT component of Coconut is not stored as fat and also stimulated transient thyroid output. Coconut is also best at shifting HDL/LDL ratio of any of the common oils, including fish oil.
What is the upper range for fish oil consumption in your opinion? I'm currently doing 2 g EPA and 1 g DHA per day. No heart issues.
 

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So basically my home blood pressure monitor is pretty much constantly saying thwt i have irregular heartbeat 50% of the time i measure ky blood pressure. And my pusle pressure (difference between systolic and dyastolic is high, like 135/70 and 125/65). Freaks me out a bit, even though i dont feel palpitations and 24 hour holter said i was fine.
Did yet another ecg yesterday and was fine
Aargghh.
And since i started cabergoline at 0.375mg per week, you can see why i am feeling nervous.

But you learn something new every day. It says that heart palpitatiions can be a direct result of low estrogen. And my estrogen is crashed currently, so it might be the culprit.

Even though they cant catch them on ecg, my home blood pressure monitor says i get irregular heartbeat. But it doesnt show that for other people, so i do have irregular heart beat.

i am going jnsane over here.
 

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Man i dont know if it is the caber or magnesium (i started taking roughly 150mg per day) but i have been getting palpitations both at rest and in the gym.
drug wise i am on 100mg test e per week and 0.25 caber 2x per week.
They are driving me insane. As i said, i did complete cardiological exam and everything was ok.
 

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Man i dont know if it is the caber or magnesium (i started taking roughly 150mg per day) but i have been getting palpitations both at rest and in the gym.
drug wise i am on 100mg test e per week and 0.25 caber 2x per week.
They are driving me insane. As i said, i did complete cardiological exam and everything was ok.
It’s not the magnesium. There was a doctor who took a daily dose of 20 GRAMS of magnesium per day. I can assure you it’s not that
 

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It’s not the magnesium. There was a doctor who took a daily dose of 20 GRAMS of magnesium per day. I can assure you it’s not that
I agree if anything magnesium should help prevent palpitations.
 

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Caber can cause a host of side effects. If it’s anything it’s the caber
 

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Yeah it could be the caber. I heard my doorbell at 3 am, which obviously didn't happen.

It is weird since i am only taking 0.5 mg per week.
 
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Also i have been feeling like a sack of sh1t upon waking upmin the morning, and it seems to coincide with the caber use.
 
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OMG dude I take 5000mg of fish oil every day since like 2013!!!!! OMG!! I'm stopping now. Yeah man I still get my palpitations everyday! Went to the doctor again and im sure they think I'm insane lol. I have an appointment with the cardiologist again hoping that he can provide some reassurance. The only other thing im thinking is that I've Increased my trt for the summer to make gains. I was doing 200mg per week which put my levels around 900. Now I'm doing 280mg which puts me around 1500. Gives me a slight edge. I was wondering if that has something to do with it but I got blood work and my estrogen is in range and everything else looks good and also I've had palpitations when I had lower test levels too. Definitely gonna stop the fish oil now lol
Don't feel bad bro, I used to OD on it too! Switched to high oleic Omega-9 mono oils, and Saturated fats with high lauric and palmitic content.

Ever seen what happens to Flax Seed oil if you spill a drop on the floor in your kitchen? It's the same as Linseed oil basically, dries hard as a rock in 24hrs and basically forms linoleum (linolenic acid), then you have to scape it off the floor with a knife. You may as well just take some estrogen if you wanna abuse yourself!

How hold a scoop of Coconut oil in your hand and watch it turn into liquid in your palm. That is clearly NOT going to turn into plaque in a warm body, and it's saturation so it doesn't form anything that does either! How anybody can still take all those polys is beyond common sense, but it's their life.
 
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What is the upper range for fish oil consumption in your opinion? I'm currently doing 2 g EPA and 1 g DHA per day. No heart issues.
I'd say that's close to the max I'd be comfortable using daily, and I'd only take that much chronically under certain conditions with concurrent use of Th1 boosters to attenuate the deliterious effects on immunity. I take about that much too, but only on the weekends, then skip omega-3s and 6's the rest of the week and just use CLA (a trans-fat!) and Coconut (a saturated fat!) or Monolaurin. But even years after adjusting my view on lipids, it still sounds funny to say that, lol.
 
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Also i have been feeling like a sack of sh1t upon waking upmin the morning, and it seems to coincide with the caber use.
I've used many dopaminergics theraputically. They can be useful when one needs to suppress lactation (which I pray you never have the need to do.) But stuff like Cab is rough on heart valves and could be contributing to the palps, and it dang sure can promote orthostaic hypotension/morning tiredness. The abnormal perception of environmental stimuli is also not uncommen, and could eventually become a problem of it's own.
 

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I'd say that's close to the max I'd be comfortable using daily, and I'd only take that much chronically under certain conditions with concurrent use of Th1 boosters to attenuate the deliterious effects on immunity. I take about that much too, but only on the weekends, then skip omega-3s and 6's the rest of the week and just use CLA (a trans-fat!) and Coconut (a saturated fat!) or Monolaurin. But even years after adjusting my view on lipids, it still sounds funny to say that, lol.
I don't want to seem like I'm high jacking this thread but I had a similar heart issue recently and it coincided with high omega 3 intake. I started a rad-140 cycle but only made It through the first week. I got this weird pressure in my arm pits, feeling of nausea, dizziness and every now and again my heart would feel like it would go really hard and fast for no reason which would make me feel like I was having a panic attack. This was about 3 weeks ago and I am only just feeling I'm back to normal now. I did up my omegas considerably with the idea of lipid protection. Could this have been a factor. I'd love to read more about this omega 3 business, specifically coconut oil being good for heart health, I seem to find the opposite with a quick look online.
 
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I don't want to seem like I'm high jacking this thread but I had a similar heart issue recently and it coincided with high omega 3 intake. I started a rad-140 cycle but only made It through the first week. I got this weird pressure in my arm pits, feeling of nausea, dizziness and every now and again my heart would feel like it would go really hard and fast for no reason which would make me feel like I was having a panic attack. This was about 3 weeks ago and I am only just feeling I'm back to normal now. I did up my omegas considerably with the idea of lipid protection. Could this have been a factor. I'd love to read more about this omega 3 business, specifically coconut oil being good for heart health, I seem to find the opposite with a quick look online.
Yes, we were speculating that perhaps omega-3s can precipitate palpitations or foster latent arrhythmias based on it's estrogenic properties. Your experience seems to testify to that possibility too.

As for Coconut oil, even the current Wiki article admits that Lauric acid raises HDL better than other fatty acids, and Coconut oil is half Lauric acid and half MCTs. Theoretically boosts thyroid output in a transient fashion, which would explain why it lowers Cholesterol and LDL ratios.
 

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Would drinking coconut milk also be good?
 
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Probably not as much as the oil, but it wouldn't hurt anything.
 

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So i was getting mad palpitations on clomid pct, whenever my heart rate would go up.
Not just anxieth, a lot of times when i would stand up i would feel terrible malaise and heart would skip a beat. I felt short of breath and bad almost to the point of passing out, like when you have very low blood pressure.

Anyone know what the hell was going on?

Since i am back on T + hCG, knock on wood, they are mostly gone and i dont feel short of brrath and like passing out anymore.

and doctors (2 very respectable cardiologists) cant find anything wrong with my heart.
 
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I just punch myself in the heart, heart listens to me and stops it's $hit. Gotta man up and take charge 💪
 
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Jk, sounds like great advice in here.

I do actually punch myself in the chest if I get them though, or any pains in the area. I've gotten this pain around my heart since I was a kid, but my dr says there's no way it can be my heart or I'd be dead by now. I still get them though and nobody has figured out what it is. Seems to get worse if I continue to breath, so I usually hold my breath and punch my chest. Dr thinks it's a muscle spasm. But why would I be getting a muscle spasm in the same area for >30yrs now.
 
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Jk, sounds like great advice in here.

I do actually punch myself in the chest if I get them though, or any pains in the area. I've gotten this pain around my heart since I was a kid, but my dr says there's no way it can be my heart or I'd be dead by now. I still get them though and nobody has figured out what it is. Seems to get worse if I continue to breath, so I usually hold my breath and punch my chest. Dr thinks it's a muscle spasm. But why would I be getting a muscle spasm in the same area for >30yrs now.
Damn that's strange. But makes sense about you being dead by now. Hmm I imagine you've had plenty of heart tests as well
 
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Damn that's strange. But makes sense about you being dead by now. Hmm I imagine you've had plenty of heart tests as well
Yeah my doctor told me they wouldn't be able to tell what it was unless I was hooked up to a machine while it was happening :( Good thing it doesn't happen too often.
 
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Yeah my doctor told me they wouldn't be able to tell what it was unless I was hooked up to a machine while it was happening :( Good thing it doesn't happen too often.
Could you describe in detail what exactly it feels like
 
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Could you describe in detail what exactly it feels like
I guess like a muscle spasm, which grows in pain as I breath in/expand my chest. The fact that this happens (increased pain when breathing) led my dr to believe it's a smooth muscle on the inside of my body cavity that's in spasm. It honestly makes me think I'm having a heart attack though because of the location.
 
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I guess like a muscle spasm, which grows in pain as I breath in/expand my chest. The fact that this happens (increased pain when breathing) led my dr to believe it's a smooth muscle on the inside of my body cavity that's in spasm. It honestly makes me think I'm having a heart attack though because of the location.
Yeah dude the fact that when you breathe effects it sounds definitely like a muscular issue. Actually when I was younger I used to get these weird cramps in my chest and if I breathed during them I would get the worst chest pain but as soon as it came on, it would already go away. Holding my breath helped too. I think I know what ur talking about actually lol
 
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Yeah dude the fact that when you breathe effects it sounds definitely like a muscular issue. Actually when I was younger I used to get these weird cramps in my chest and if I breathed during them I would get the worst chest pain but as soon as it came on, it would already go away. Holding my breath helped too. I think I know what ur talking about actually lol
Yup! When I was young, I just called them growing pains! But they never stopped. I still get them. I bet I need to increase my magnesium intake because I am prone to foot cramps and even hand cramping.
 

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