Seems interesting, defenitly keep us updated.
LJ? What's that stand for?SURPRISED dino didnt have something to say about possible gyno effects with trib. the only thing that gave me sides like that was tribrex and i think that was from lj.
LongjackLJ? What's that stand for?
Got it. Thanks!Longjack
ha, whattay know, LJ in vitrix as well. Thought never even crossed my mind. good point tSURPRISED dino didnt have something to say about possible gyno effects with trib. the only thing that gave me sides like that was tribrex and i think that was from lj.
ive read a few posts where guys have complaine of gyno sides from lj. diesel took it out of dt, dont know whether its back in or not. i know he changed dosing when he took it out. with lj 5on2off. without lj you can take everyday. trib test didnt have it and worked great.:dump: too much pizza.ha, whattay know, LJ in vitrix as well. Thought never even crossed my mind. good point t
h-drol is suppressive? does that mean you have to do pct? did i read where he got compareable/better results on nha? he has a good point about the 6-bromo in rr, that is exactly the reason why running form on cycle is a good idea. this guy should have been reading this log, we're way ahead of him. good post though, nice looking out.:thumbsup:celc-
Take a look at this:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/71773-halodrol-h-drol.html#post926041
I guess that poor guy will have to get some formadral extreme now :toofunny:h-drol is suppressive? does that mean you have to do post cycle therapy? did i read where he got compareable/better results on nha? he has a good point about the 6-bromo in rr, that is exactly the reason why running form on cycle is a good idea. this guy should have been reading this log, we're way ahead of him. good post though, nice looking out.:thumbsup:
He also sounds flexible enough to suck his own... well, you get the picture :lol:I go with OTC Testosterone-based stuff only because I make too much money to risk breaking the law.
You guys are lucky to have a forum member who's got the paper [and smarts] to run blood work regularly to objectively evaluate OTC items!![]()
dont you wish you were smart enough and rich enough to objectively evaluate otc items. maybe then you could suck your big toe.:icon_lol:He also sounds flexible enough to suck his own... well, you get the picture :lol:
I agree T. This guy is insulting on so many levels.dont you wish you were smart enough and rich enough to objectively evaluate otc items. maybe then you could suck your big toe.:icon_lol:
aah, the effects of form are addicting.:cheers:Reaper: I have to agree and say that he isn't going to get much out of 25mg of Halo except for prolonging suppression. I'm not a fan of tapering ph/anabolic steroids as I believe that once you are suppressed, you remain suppressed.
He should just quit his cycle and start post cycle therapy. Or finish out his cycle as planned at 50mg and then run a thorough post cycle therapy. You are learning my friend! :cheers:
His arrogant statements and condescending tone really pissed me off initially. I am actually surprised that he has toned it down a bit since then. Also, as T mentioned in that thread, his bloodwork doesn't tell us much at all.
Day 13
80mg E-form
50mg H-drol
Chest, Shoulders, Calves: For the first time in 2 years, my power push is getting stronger :head: I am up to 190 x 6 today on decline bench, which is approaching a PR.
The rest of the workout was an absolute marathon for shoulders and calves. I also had to throw in my fancy back extension routine for the awkward low back feelings last week. I'm fairly certain that the extra 10 minutes of core stability will make deadlift days all that much more fun. Libido is normal and the "twins" show zero signs of atrophy.
Any reason to not go up to 100mg of form? I'm thinking I'd like to stay at 100-120 for week 3 and then begin to slowly taper for week 4 and 5. That way I'll have 1 week without the formestane AI before starting up my post cycle therapy.
btw reaper, in case you havent noticed most of scientific research shows that formestane and 6-bromo have similar effects. thats why we are way ahead on that one. so yes, halo and formestane mellow each other out. a match made in heaven.:food: :donut: today is cheat day.:cheers: :burg:I'm gonna go as far as asking, if you were to only take 25mg of H-Drol would there even be any effect at all ?
LOL, that's probably one of the best similies I've ever heard. Reps when it allows me....Formestane is like being an attack dog while halo is like being a puppy. The combination of cute, yet lethal, is unsuspecting and VERY productive
So T, you think 100 or 120 is ok? ...leaning more toward the aggressive side and less toward the cute side. I'm doing well with the halo at 50 so I plan to keep it there for week 3.
This seems to suggest that the self proclaimed smart man who plans to drop his halo dosage to 25mg is NOT doing anything that will help him raise his low test levels. (Edit: I was referrring to his tapering of dosage with halo. I'd like to believe the RR will at least help a little. I also think T's rationale for the activate not doing much at this point is sound)....Usually ramp up style administration is an assessment of tolerance rather than true endocrine rationale, plus the schedules tend to look more exotic, but there is an entire school that would suggest..."get in, go big, and get out." In other words, dose it the way you would at max and go in quick and exit quick.
As for abrupt dismissal of the exogenous agent (how's that for an intelligent way to say when you go off cycle quick?), the endocrine rationale is simple...as long as you are providing potential for suppression of HPTA, then there is no need to ramp down.
We can (and many groups will) likely argue the two views for years to come. Still, it doesn't "appear" necessary...
damn you're gonna break the 200 lb mark soon. get body weight at +200 and bf at 15% or lower and i think you could call this cycle a whopping success. no more mr. lightweight.:thumbsup:Well if Prelude says to bump the form, then I'm POSITIVE T would say to do the same
Day 14
100mg eform
50mg H-drol
Body Comp check for week 2:
Bodyweight: 196.6 (+2.2 pounds)
Bodyfat%: 14.47% (-2% WHOA)
Lean Body Mass: 168.15 (+5.77 :head
Fat Mass: 28.45 (-3.57)
*Disclaimer: the same trainer has been doing my 7 point skinfold for consistancy.
Don't worry fellas, I compensate fairly for her servicesose:
*Significant events updated.
no. i got overwhelmed with too much info. forgot to engage the brain before i spouted off. hey, what do you want, its sunday. the crispy creme's must of affected me!:dump:My logic was to get formestane out of my system in a ramp/taper fashion before starting 6brom (restore) in post cycle therapy:
Week 3: 120mg form
Week 4: taper to 100 then 80
Week 5: taper to 60 then 40
Week 6: no formestane (Halo is continued of course)
Week 7: Restore (ramped and tapered for 5 weeks starting at 1 cap)
So you are you suggesting to continue running Formestane into week 1 of post cycle therapy? :think: T, that would be SEVEN weeks of form and should I be concerned with Form's ph characteristics in post cycle therapy? We've got plenty of time so explain away my lean mean friend :study:
T, with all those pastries, no wonder you need 3 freakin bottles of furaz to cut :fool2:no. i got overwhelmed with too much info. forgot to engage the brain before i spouted off. hey, what do you want, its sunday. the crispy creme's must of affected me!:dump:
well, from what ive learned from voodoo's 6-bromo log, it would appear the actions of formestane resemble it. so in effect it SEEMS you are just replacing one with the other. i like restore too maybe thats why? cel seems sold on atd for pct. MAYBE add 1 sns inhibit-e to your low dose restore. i will probably change my mind, but its something to think about. im tying to keep an open mind in my advancing year's.:duel:T, with all those pastries, no wonder you need 3 freakin bottles of furaz to cut :fool2:
So do you think my plan is ok? What would you do differently? Don't be afraid to trash the plan, I'm willing to learn.
T, what day isn't cheat day for you? :icon_lol:btw reaper, in case you havent noticed most of scientific research shows that formestane and 6-bromo have similar effects. thats why we are way ahead on that one. so yes, halo and formestane mellow each other out. a match made in heaven.:food: :donut: today is cheat day.:cheers: :burg:
My only word of caution on the first part of that quote (go big, then get out) is that if you're new to anabolics or even if you're experienced, but using a compound that is new to you, you may want to ramp up as he suggested for the purpose of assessing tolerance. Been there, done that. No good reason to jump into the deep end of the pool before checking for water.Reaper:
This is a quote from the Dr. Hauser forum (dinoiii) from the Lean Bulk board. 7/25/07
The original post was a question in regards to ramping and then tapering epistane in a pyramid fashion.
This seems to suggest that the self proclaimed smart man who plans to drop his halo dosage to 25mg is NOT doing anything that will help him raise his low test levels. (Edit: I was referrring to his tapering of dosage with halo. I'd like to believe the RR will at least help a little. I also think T's rationale for the activate not doing much at this point is sound).
Making a small mistake actually puts you ahead of the ball game next time. For example, you learned that you'll be stocking up and preloading on Hawthorne Berry no matter what the compound is. Also, you'll be really confident in using 6oxo for your AI in post cycle therapy and be able to adjust dosage based on your experience.My only word of caution on the first part of that quote (go big, then get out) is that if you're new to anabolics or even if you're experienced, but using a compound that is new to you, you may want to ramp up as he suggested for the purpose of assessing tolerance. Been there, done that. No good reason to jump into the deep end of the pool before checking for water.
Yep, I agree. And I'm coming around on formestane. We'll see. I'm down to 100mg per day of 6-oxo for 4 more days, then done. Then I'll take a month or so to look at what's next. Even just on 6-oxo and dhea, I'm up to 186 and down 2 points in bf%. There's a good chance form will rock my world. :head:Making a small mistake actually puts you ahead of the ball game next time. For example, you learned that you'll be stocking up and preloading on Hawthorne Berry no matter what the compound is. Also, you'll be really confident in using 6oxo for your AI in post cycle therapy and be able to adjust dosage based on your experience.
In respect to your tip to asses tolerance ecto, if I could give one tip to someone who wanted to plan their first cycle, I would say to try a few AI's and free test boosters and cort control agents before hand. That way you can tailor your plan around supplements that you like personally, and not just base your plan on second hand information.
moderation my friend, for every donut its 30min cardio. i am still planning on adding dth to my pct. i strap on my old school ankle weights and head for the track. my best so far is 5miles. took me close to 2hours.=4 donuts.:lol:T, with all those pastries, no wonder you need 3 freakin bottles of furaz to cut :fool2:
So do you think my plan is ok? What would you do differently? Don't be afraid to trash the plan, I'm willing to learn.
That's the kind of math I like to see.:thumbsup:moderation my friend, for every donut its 30min cardio. i am still planning on adding dth to my post cycle therapy. i strap on my old school ankle weights and head for the track. my best so far is 5miles. took me close to 2hours.=4 donuts.:lol:
stay tuned because I'm thinking this will be a 5 or 6 weeker. So far, I feel great on 50mg and if I had to guess, I'll probably stay there. Of course I have the option of bumping to 75mg for as many weeks as I want so this could get interesting :hammer:I know when I was on Halodrol/O-E I was dropping weight like crazy. I wasn't even trying to drop the amount I dropped. It was around 15lbs. I looked and felt bigger, I saw my abs again. I have never been fat, unless u count the freshman 60lbs I put on:icon_lol:
After reading this log it really makes me want to run halodrol one more time with the form. Plus T's pimping of form:lol:
Awesome work my friend.
smart boy, very smart boy.:food:Ecto I thought about puttin up before pics but lost track of everything I wanted to figure out in leau (sp?) of setting up the supp plan, diet/macros, routine, and log. I have a pic from before my alri run at 19% bf but I'm not sure if I have any before this cycle at 16.5. Yes, there's a DRAMATIC difference right now at 14.5 and sendin phone pix messages to tease the ladies is workin better than the guitar right now :lol:
Does anyone else think it's peculiar that I'm taking cycle advice from 2 Homer Simpsons?
Well that's no good. Don't you need those nutrients to build muscle? That just means you're going to have to go on the BigT diet to make up for it!Prld, I think I caught my addiction from you and T and from reading those damm poopypants logs. I had no idea addiction was a contagious disease :think:
Reaper, I honestly don't even know what Var is... fill me in and lets do some homework to find out.
Day 16
100mg Eform
50mg Halo
Traps, Quads, Tris:
After squats, I went too deep and too explosive on my front squat/clean move. I felt a "bee sting" feeling in my right glute so had to call in quits after 1 set. SOB!!!
Now I'm irritated so I took it out on my tris. I used every angle and every technique I could think of to shock the hell out of my tris today and PUKED TWICE!!! Ha Ha, aminos and gatorade look funny the second time around