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Guys, try this out

jakellpet said:
so is this going to be your new log Unreal? :sgrin:
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Not really but i can't help sharing ;)

Yesterday I did back and compared to the previous week, my weight was down 1 pound and my lifts were all up about 10 pounds.

I am getting sensitivity in my right nipple tho! Tren gyno attacks... I'm counter attacking with everything I've got that fights gyno (letro/nolva/caber), with the assumption that progestin-based steroids might trigger gyno by prolactin routes and thus the caber... IDK i'll see in a few days if it gets better or worse but at any rate I need to keep the T3 going so worst case scenario is gyno continues to worsen, I'll have to drop the "tren" and replace it with some Phera and keep going. In that case i won't run the "tren" again.

Hopefully I can stop it though.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Not really but i can't help sharing ;)

Yesterday I did back and compared to the previous week, my weight was down 1 pound and my lifts were all up about 10 pounds.

I am getting sensitivity in my right nipple tho! Tren gyno attacks... I'm counter attacking with everything I've got that fights gyno (letro/nolva/caber), with the assumption that progestin-based steroids might trigger gyno by prolactin routes and thus the caber... IDK i'll see in a few days if it gets better or worse but at any rate I need to keep the T3 going so worst case scenario is gyno continues to worsen, I'll have to drop the "tren" and replace it with some Phera and keep going. In that case i won't run the "tren" again.

Hopefully I can stop it though.
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The caber should help if it doesnt' than your highly sensitive and i'd stop and swith to phera right away. good luck
 
phera has an higher rba at the progesterone receptor than tren does....if this were me i would drop the letro and run 10mgs of nolva and the caber e3d....probably...but first how were you doing oct before the gyno flare?
 
mooch2321 said:
but first how were you doing oct before the gyno flare?
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Can you clarify? OCT?

Anyway... whatever I'm doing is working so far, nipple is much less sensitive today, I will try to continue that and then drop research chems 1 at a time... So hopefully I can keep going on the "tren"
 
Alright well I was starting with .25mg Letro eod and then a few days ago i started noticing nip sensitivity and I started .25mg letro ed, 10mg nolva ed, .5mg caber eod, dosed that 3x. Today sensitivity is down a lot, so i'll run this another day or two and guage how much the gyno subsides. If it continues to decrease I figure I can drop the caber and then the letro and the nolva should maintain low enough estro levels to keep me safe.

I don't want to stop the tren, it's working too well.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I've been doing some experiments with my dosing of "T-Roid" which is a 19-nor "tren" product for those wondering

I've been at 90mg for almost 2 weeks now and I've tried taking 2 caps preworkout by gulping them along with a meal.
I've also tried emptying the powder into a half-shot of olive oil, mixing it up and gulping it.

Honestly I think i' noticing it a lot more when I mix and gulp it. I don't really notice it very much with the capsules, i don't know how much they delay the release, but I don't seem to feel it very much during my workout.
When i mix and shoot, after about an hour I can feel a pump coming on, and I get a "mentally stimmed up" feeling that I don't remember ever getting when gulping any PH capsules.

Did this today and the workout was really good.

Just figured it's worth a try! Try this out with some of the fast-acting ones like Superdrol, Epi, "tren" not the slow ones like Phera and Hdrol. Take 1/2 your daily dose rounded up about 1 hour preworkout by mixing into a half shot of olive oil and shooting. Tell me if your workout improves.

Anxious to hear from others... This is kinda like pulsing... I lift in the morning so I feel like natural test recovery overnight is also improved because the dose is mostly very early in the day...

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Well, if memory serves me correctly, 19-nor are non-methylated and fat soluble. So, your results make sense from a theoretical standpoint. IMO, this method will have no added effect for methylated compounds as they are already rapidly absorbed due to the fact that they are methylated. Does this make sense?
 
LilPsychotic said:
Well, if memory serves me correctly, 19-nor are non-methylated and fat soluble. So, your results make sense from a theoretical standpoint. IMO, this method will have no added effect for methylated compounds as they are already rapidly absorbed due to the fact that they are methylated. Does this make sense?
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How does a -CH3 group help with absorption?? Methylation is to survive breakdown in the liver right? I don't know the mechanism but I'm assuming whatever enzymes the liver uses won't interact as well with a methylated compound due to sterics... I do not think methylation changes absorption in the stomach... If I am wrong I want to see evidence.
 
UnrealMachine said:
How does a -CH3 group help with absorption?? Methylation is to survive breakdown in the liver right? I don't know the mechanism but I'm assuming whatever enzymes the liver uses won't interact as well with a methylated compound due to sterics... I do not think methylation changes absorption in the stomach... If I am wrong I want to see evidence.
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unreal, im gonna give this a shot tonight...it makes sense in terms of the fat aiding absorption/eliminating the caps to reduce whatever delay they may cause....anyhow, it sounds worth trying

if im correct nobody in the thread has posted back after trying so hopefully i am of some help...will be using epistane however

lol im actually laughing however at the thought of me mixing broken capsules into a shotglass of olive oil, i wish somebody in my family would walk in on this...true badass ova heya :lol:
 
--> i agree this method does expedite absorption- my input is derived purely by unbiased "feel" on behalf of first-hand experience

there were no explosive results, but as opposed to "feeling" the hormone more towards the end of the workout when taken in capsule form before lifting, i felt more impulsive and in-gear so to speak before entering the gym...there was a solid pump and endurance seemed to be with me on my early sets in the workout

im going to continue taking my pre-workout dose in this way, nice observation unreal
 
I'm glad you tried it and even gladder that it worked and that I wasn't fooling myself with placebo effect

COOL
 
UnrealMachine said:
I've been doing some experiments with my dosing of "T-Roid" which is a 19-nor "tren" product for those wondering

I've been at 90mg for almost 2 weeks now and I've tried taking 2 caps preworkout by gulping them along with a meal. This worked ok.

I've also tried emptying the powder into a half-shot of olive oil, mixing it up and pouring it down the drain. I then mix up some tren and shoot it.

Honestly I think i' noticing it a lot more when I mix and shoot it. I don't really notice it very much with the capsules, i don't know how much they delay the release, but I don't seem to feel it very much during my workout.
When i mix and shoot, after about an hour I can feel a pump coming on, and I get a "mentally stimmed up" feeling that I don't remember ever getting when gulping any PH capsules.

Did this today and the workout was really good.
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But just to let you know, I have read it is best to have your orals without any food as the food does not increase absorption (contrary to what people say) but if you mix with food some of it gets trapped in the fat and excreted.
 
methodice said:
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But just to let you know, I have read it is best to have your orals without any food as the food does not increase absorption (contrary to what people say) but if you mix with food some of it gets trapped in the fat and excreted.
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Maybe. Maybe not. The way to find out is to have people try out the method, hence the title.
 
methodice said:
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But just to let you know, I have read it is best to have your orals without any food as the food does not increase absorption (contrary to what people say) but if you mix with food some of it gets trapped in the fat and excreted.
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what if you took it before? during? after? or stand-alone?
 
KgTomCat said:
what if you took it before? during? after? or stand-alone?
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In reality the difference is fairly minimal either way you do it. Your best bet is to take on an empty stomach. Then eat like 20-30 mins after so you get some nourishment into your muscle building body.

But if you prefer to eat upon waking and don't feel quite right until you do eat... taking it with food will be fine as well and the difference in potency is nothing to worry about.
 
methodice said:
In reality the difference is fairly minimal either way you do it. Your best bet is to take on an empty stomach. Then eat like 20-30 mins after so you get some nourishment into your muscle building body.

But if you prefer to eat upon waking and don't feel quite right until you do eat... taking it with food will be fine as well and the difference in potency is nothing to worry about.
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I am more of an empty stomach kind of guy...tmrw will be the first dose of my 6 week Oxyguno cycle..the link is in my signature
 
Tomahawk88 said:
It didn't go down well so I tasted a lot of the Epi and started gagging. Plus I didn't get it all so I scooped it up with my finger and tried finishing it. Then added a little water to try and get the rest.
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I stir it into the olive oil really well first, then slurp it down, none of the powder should be separated or dry
 
Ya I think I just rushed it too much and didn't mix it well enough. I hope it goes better Thursday because this would def be a time saver since I lift before I go to class. Ended up being a little late today.
 
Im taking Oxyguno which isn't cap, its pill. What if I made a shake (50g whey isolate, Evoo) and crushed up the Oxyguno? would that help make absorption faster?
 
UnrealMachine said:
I've been doing some experiments with my dosing of "T-Roid" which is a 19-nor "tren" product for those wondering

I've been at 90mg for almost 2 weeks now and I've tried taking 2 caps preworkout by gulping them along with a meal.
I've also tried emptying the powder into a half-shot of olive oil, mixing it up and gulping it.

Honestly I think i' noticing it a lot more when I mix and gulp it. I don't really notice it very much with the capsules, i don't know how much they delay the release, but I don't seem to feel it very much during my workout.
When i mix and shoot, after about an hour I can feel a pump coming on, and I get a "mentally stimmed up" feeling that I don't remember ever getting when gulping any PH capsules.

Did this today and the workout was really good.

Just figured it's worth a try! Try this out with some of the fast-acting ones like Superdrol, Epi, "tren" not the slow ones like Phera and Hdrol. Take 1/2 your daily dose rounded up about 1 hour preworkout by mixing into a half shot of olive oil and shooting. Tell me if your workout improves.

Anxious to hear from others... This is kinda like pulsing... I lift in the morning so I feel like natural test recovery overnight is also improved because the dose is mostly very early in the day...

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You realize that taking fat with non methyl enhances absorption right?

UnrealMachine said:
Halodrol, i ran a standard 1 bottle cycle and didn't notice anything.

Anyway, for this method, it should be done with a compound with a pretty short half life and kick in time, so with Hdrol i'm sure you would speed up the absorption but it still might not spike blood levels very much.

Right now... I've got my "tren" under my tongue... It tastes weird, there's a little bit of a sting from it.
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Wait you ran 1 bottle of H drol? LOL

Have you ever done any research? You need 2 bottles of H drol, and it usually kicks in around week 4....

btw taking 19 nor sub-lingually will not enhance absorption....



So much bro science in this thread, lol

You gonna try it anally next? :lol5:
 
warbird01 said:
You realize that taking fat with non methyl enhances absorption right?
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Yes, that's the point

warbird01 said:
Wait you ran 1 bottle of H drol? LOL

Have you ever done any research? You need 2 bottles of H drol, and it usually kicks in around week 4....
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I've done plenty of research. It was my first cycle, plenty of people got acceptable gains off of a standard 50mg dose, just not me.

warbird01 said:
btw taking 19 nor sub-lingually will not enhance absorption....
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Well I wasn't afraid to try

warbird01 said:
So much bro science in this thread, lol

You gonna try it anally next? :lol5:
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Are you going to contribute anything or just act like an asshat? The point of this thread is for people to try mixing oral powders with a fatty substance and report back if it kicks in faster and is more noticable during a workout. In theory it should as steroids are lipid soluble and the fat should help it get absorbed. I invented this method because I lift first thing in the morning and don't have time to wait a couple hours after my pills. From my experience, it works...
 
UnrealMachine said:
I've done plenty of research. It was my first cycle, plenty of people got acceptable gains off of a standard 50mg dose, just not me.
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Please direct me to ppl who have gained off 4 weeks of 50mg. If you even suggested that ppl would just laugh
 
Go direct yourself to it, I read logs. Some people actually gain over 10 pounds on Halodrol cycles. Individual response varies greatly for all steroids, you must know this... I found that my response to halodrol was very weak.

Now that I think of it my friend recently ran 50mg for 4 weeks and he gained almost 15 pounds and actually got SIDES, which really surprised me, made me question if it was actually Hdrol or not. So like i said, individual response varies greatly... Now i find myself rather off topic, if you'd like to continue discussing my past cycles please PM me.
 
I tried it again and it went down smoother this time. I think its just the EVOO that gets to me. Then I just kept refilling the shot glass with crystal lite.
 
ktatro1 said:
the GUNSHOW said:
"mixing into a half shot of olive oil and shooting it" you can do that?
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Absolutely. The cap is there to hold the compound. Its not really all that needed. however, it would suck if they sent just a bag full of powder though with a promise on it, "90 caps worth, I swear."
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You can NOT inject olive oil. The OP meant drink the EVOO, i.e. shoot it down, slurp it down - not inject it subcutaneously. Yes the cap on MOST powders is unnecessary but some capsules are used for more caustic powders that would burn the esop-hagus (can't believe es****us gets starred out) but can survive the stomach. For example, if anyone fcuks with DNP you do not want to take that stuff outside a capsule. It'd also turn your teeth and tongue yellow!
 
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