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GOT MY TREN :) ~ found crystlas inside :(. help

Jasen

Jasen

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got my tren today from my dealer, came home and found tiny crystals! not alot but ill post up pics soon.

does this always happen?

what are those crystals? oils or tren?

if i still use this does this lower my dose of tren from 250mg per pl to EST of 210mg per ml? example.

can i somehow get rid of them without ruining my tren?
 
i will post pics up soon, waiting for the crystlas to settle
 
If you have some vials, load your dose into them and put it in really hot water. Shoot it right after. Or just preload your syringes and do the same.
 
wait what? ummm u want em to take a empty vial re-inject the dose from syrange into #2 vial. then heat in warm wateR? want that kill the tren?
 
Jasen said:
wait what? ummm u want em to take a empty vial re-inject the dose from syrange into #2 vial. then heat in warm wateR? want that kill the tren?
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Right, take a sterilized vial and put your dose in there and heat it up in boiling water. And no it won't kill the Tren along as its not an open vial. lol. It'll fix your crashed gear :sgrin:
 
well i dont knwo if it is sterile? its a empty test-e vial i just finished last week.

man WTF this pisses me of, imma go back to him tomorrow and get my $$$$ back.
 
can i just take the VIAL of tren i am using now? the whole bottle and put in warm wateR? do i have to take it in a seperate vial
 
ok SO YOU ARE SURE!? that it will not kill my tren? there is no max temp? also how long do i leave it in there? roughly a quick 3 min?
 
(Trenbolone Base + Enanthate Ester)
[17beta-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one]
Formula (base): C18 H22 O2
Formula (ester): C7 H12 O
Molecular Weight (base): 270.3706
Molecular Weight (ester): 130.1864
Melting Point (base): 183-186C
Manufacturer: Stark, Dpharm, Various
Effective Dose (Men): 300-600mgs/wk
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 8 days
Detection Time: 5 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 500/500

i just found this? does this mean i have to bring it to 180C? or ?
 
won't it kill my ester, since the ester have a veery easy melting point unlike the AAS like acetate is 16C
 
Bring it to boiling. Three minutes to do it. Also, if for some unknown reason it doesn't work, the heat still wont kill your tren. Make sure to store it in a dark place that's not too cold.

On a final note, be sure to watch the pressure in the vial. You can always vent it if you have the items on hand, other then that, good luck.
 
Jasen said:
(Trenbolone Base + Enanthate Ester)
[17beta-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one]
Formula (base): C18 H22 O2
Formula (ester): C7 H12 O
Molecular Weight (base): 270.3706
Molecular Weight (ester): 130.1864
Melting Point (base): 183-186C
Manufacturer: Stark, Dpharm, Various
Effective Dose (Men): 300-600mgs/wk
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 8 days
Detection Time: 5 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 500/500

i just found this? does this mean i have to bring it to 180C? or ?
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No it wont kill your ester. Reconstituting is far from uncommon.

And like I said, boiling water should do the trick. Try not to over think it. :fing02:

EDIT: Just took a look at your pics.
 
Dante87 said:
Bring it to boiling. Three minutes to do it. Also, if for some unknown reason it doesn't work, the heat still wont kill your tren. Make sure to store it in a dark place that's not too cold.

On a final note, be sure to watch the pressure in the vial. You can always vent it if you have the items on hand, other then that, good luck.
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what do u mean vent? what does this mean (im not american, english is 5th language)
 
It's a rubber stopped that is made to release pressure from the reconstitution. Not needed but I know people who have used them before.
 
so basically drop it in mild warm water? until the crystlas go away? wont the water get inside the vial and cause it to be unsteril and mix
 
u don't need to get it to 180c. You don't need to melt the steroid molecules. All you need to do is increase the solubility of the molecules by increasing the temperature of the oil... solubility increases with temperature. So get the hottest sink water and stick the vial in there and see if that gets the crystals to go back into solution. If that doesn't work you need to escalate your technique a little bit... Put a cup of water in the microwave and blast it close to boiling and try that (in this case you may want to stick a pin in the top of the vial for a vent)

Jasen said:
so basically drop it in mild warm water? until the crystlas go away? wont the water get inside the vial and cause it to be unsteril and mix
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your vial should be airtight. Even so you don't have to dunk the vial, just submerge most of it.
 
ahhh so basically just submerge it around 90% into water thats close to boiling, if ti dose not work, go to boiling water. soooo these crystals melt fairly easy then correct?
 
welllllll......................... atleast i know its real tren LOLL
 
is this a common problem?

also this is a easy fix right not many ways to screw it up? wamr water and tren quick 2-3min breaks down crystals rgith
 
and yes i DID notice................. i am anal and ocd but its how i learn loll
 
i dont have a instrument to vent........ would this proccess not access gasses in the vial? should i suck some air out every 2min? with syringie?
 
also wont it hurt much more than usual tren? even after i warm it up? also right after i heat it up how long till i can inject it?
 
WTF i just read even more and it will hurt like a bitch! even days after injection ..... plus it will go back to crystal
 
should i use 23G? instead of usually 25g for test-e. since its crystallized?
 
dude jasen calm down buddy. one problem at a time first get those crystals out. If the lab mixed this **** properly, if you can get the crystals back into solution, they should stay in solution. A few things can make it crash out of solution and crystallize but it should be stable in the oil.

Anyway for the vent, use a needle, any guage.
 
ok so here is what i will do,

i will talk to my dealer and try to get a new vial if **** does not go through, itry what i was advised on here. man i was hoping to get tren inside me by now ....... looks like i will have to wait now for a few days
 
i would have thrown that **** in some hot water right away and injected while still hot and woulda had that tren in me by now ;).
 
man im fighting the urge its hard!!!!! and ur making ti so much harder!..................... the dark side is soooo strong........
 
lmao I love reading your posts Jasen hahah. Hope it works out well though, besides you got Unreal guiding you...your set!
 
thanks, yah man he is really tempting me now! i don't wanna open it in case my dealer is willing to exchange ti for a better one. ill hopefully see him tomorrow first thing morning
 
btw zero v i have read ur post too ur maturity is beyond ur age society dose not serves us this much anymore. sadly.....
 
Get your money back.

1. Contrary to popular internet belief, heating Trenbolone is NOT a good idea. A little bit of heat, such as bringing it to boiling temp for a short period of time, is fine. But, I would never do anything more than that. Actually I wouldn't expose Tren to heat at all as it is unnecessary (see below). A lot of people bake their Tren and then wonder why it comes out an orange rust color instead of a nice canary yellow (oxidization). Will it ruin the gear completely? No, probably not, but it could potentially reduce the potency.

2. If it's crashing at room temp, it will likely crash in your muscle. This means injections that hurt like hell the next day. Your source likely heated the gear up to get it to dissolve. What a lot of people (including sources) don't know is that when done right, especially with Tren, heat is NOT required. If it doesn't dissolve in the solvents at room temperature (sure, it might take a number of hours) then it will eventually crash out at room temperature. Using the right amount/combination of solvents will dissolve the raw powder pretty quick and will help insure that it won't crash at room temperature or your muscle.

3. Why the f*** is your source using amber vials? That's really fishy. It makes me thinks he's got something to hide as there is no logical reason to choose amber over clear. I like to be able to SEE inside. Even if you trust the source, you still need to be able to see if a piece of the stopper is floating around in there or something.
 
they look dark in pics, its not too dark. i can see clearly inside. the only thing that got to me is i knew when the tren is heated it will hurt the next day after injection. i am visitng my dealer tomorrow too see what up. lucky i didnt even open the lid so yeah well see. right when i picked up the bottle i noticed crystals i just didnt have time to turn my car around i was in a hurry.
 
but yah im going there first thing in morning. so i will def update around 11;30am western time.
 
Jasen said:
they look dark in pics, its not too dark. i can see clearly inside. the only thing that got to me is i knew when the tren is heated it will hurt the next day after injection. i am visitng my dealer tomorrow too see what up. lucky i didnt even open the lid so yeah well see. right when i picked up the bottle i noticed crystals i just didnt have time to turn my car around i was in a hurry.
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I know you can see in them, but they are still amber vials. Like I said, I don't know why he would have chosen to use amber over clear unless he is trying to hide something. With Tren especially, as Tren has a very distinct color regardless of the oils/solvents used. Legit Tren should be a yellow/orange color. Also, clear vials make it much easier to spot a little chunk of the rubber stopper floating around, which is a common occurrence.

Heating it up itself won't make it hurt unless you get it so hot that it burns the muscle tissue as it goes in. What will hurt is when the raw powder re-crystallizes in your muscle.
 
yes thats what i meant re-crystallize. is there anything i can do so that it does not do this in my legs? rub the area more?
 
and btw i used his test-e it was great no pain smooth
 
Jasen said:
yes thats what i meant re-crystallize. is there anything i can do so that it does not do this in my legs? rub the area more?
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No, it will re-crystallize no matter what if that's what its going to do. The problem is with the brew. Skilled homebrewers/sources have some pretty crafty recipes that aren't so easily found on the internet which keep the compound dissolve and aren't painful to inject. I have a friend who has been homebrewing for years, and he uses a combination of at least 4 different solvents (it's different for each type of gear he makes). His Tren is the clearest Tren I've ever seen and supposedly is painless to inject. Even still, the basic recipes 2%/20-30% BA/BB or whatever should work fine as well.

This only thing you can do, besides finding a new source (which I recommend) is to mix the gear with more solvent. This would obviously reduce the mg/ml concentration while increasing the overall volume. It would also be a huge hassle with filtering and such.
 
so in general F U C K loll
 
Just get your money back. With Tren, I recommend making your gear from pellets unless you have a VERY trustworthy source. When you make it at home from pellets, you can be 100% sure that what you've got is legit. I am almost certain that a large portion of UGL Tren is under-dosed or cut with other compounds. Tren is very expensive compared to other compounds. For example, in raw form straight from the chemical manufacturer, Tren usually runs around ~10x as much as Testosterone.
 
damnnnnn ur scaring me more and more LMFAO ill def come back and report first thing tomorrow
 
This happens all the time, I don't think it's so big a deal. Most of the time it goes back into solution and stays in solution once you heat it up. And once in the muscle it's going to be about 30F warmer and in the process of dispersing.
 
so the muscle is 30F warmer what u saying?

i read multiple logs saying that they DID experience pain day after injection. once they un-crystallized it

guess we will find out ALOT of stuff and theories tomorrow
 
Jasen said:
so the muscle is 30F warmer what u saying?

i read multiple logs saying that they DID experience pain day after injection. once they un-crystallized it

guess we will find out ALOT of stuff and theories tomorrow
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Well room temp is like 68F and body temp is 98F

People always get pain after their injections.

Look if it "crashed out" of solution that meant i had to spend some time IN solution, stable, at room temperature. That or whoever is making the gear is really ****ing up.

Good luck getting a refund or an exchange.
 
UnrealMachine said:
This happens all the time, I don't think it's so big a deal. Most of the time it goes back into solution and stays in solution once you heat it up. And once in the muscle it's going to be about 30F warmer and in the process of dispersing.
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This makes sense on paper, and what I assumed to be true, but it doesn't seem to be the case in practice. Solutions that crash at room temp or are just barely holding at room temp seem to crash in the muscle.

Also, if it crashes at room temp and then you heat it and it goes back, it is only a matter of time before it crashes again. If it doesn't ever crash again, that means it probably was exposed to colder conditions the first time (such as a cold night).
 
Libertarian said:
This makes sense on paper, and what I assumed to be true, but it doesn't seem to be the case in practice. Solutions that crash at room temp or are just barely holding at room temp seem to crash in the muscle.

Also, if it crashes at room temp and then you heat it and it goes back, it is only a matter of time before it crashes again. If it doesn't ever crash again, that means it probably was exposed to colder conditions the first time (such as a cold night).
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I thought a cold night was a possibility here, never heard of "crashing in the muscle"... Are people sure about this? Because people bitch about injection pain constantly. I know I would have shot that stuff yesterday and I'd be dealing with the injection pain now.
 
hmmmm hmmmmmmmmmm interesting inputs
 
his test never gave me pain. dosnet tren in general cause more pain like winnie and primo
 
UnrealMachine said:
I thought a cold night was a possibility here, never heard of "crashing in the muscle"... Are people sure about this? Because people bitch about injection pain constantly. I know I would have shot that stuff yesterday and I'd be dealing with the injection pain now.
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I'm mainly speaking on personal experience, but many others seem to have similar experiences.

With my homebrews I would try to get by with the least amount of solvents possible. The commonly used solvents have very low toxicity, but I figured the less the better health wise. When I did this, my injection sites would begin to get very painful sometime the next day. Some fellow homebrewers told me it was probably crashing in the muscle. Later I started to use more solvents than what was barely necessary to dissolve the compounds. For example, if 15% BB was just enough to dissolve the powder at room temp, I'd bump it up to 20-25%. Once I started doing this the injection pain was reduced greatly.

I guess one possibility is that the solvents might have a local analgesic effect. I know for sure some do, but, I can't imagine it being that significant.

Also, I just want to point out that bumping up the BB isn't the only option. There are various other solvents that can be used and sometimes a certain combination of solvents work better than just increasing the overall amount of solvents in the solution.
 
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