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I really do not feel like posting diet, but they are close to 8%bodyfat:think:
Getting Anabolic Pump to work?
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I really do not feel like posting diet, but they are close to 8%bodyfat:think:
gogo
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Alright, ill just take your word for it then. :think:
3clipseGT
On my grind
I definately agree with grexx on this one. As weird as this may sound, i get better results when almost 1 of my meals i take AP with is calorie/ fat dense. I am by no means saying this is the way to go or it will work for everyone but i love AP, im carb n fat sensitive to the damn max, but the minute i hop on AP i seem to become full all day, pumps are great, and my midsection loves me!
You better believe when p-slin comes out, im hoppin all over that and stackin it with AP to get supa' swole!!! :bruce3: :dance:
You better believe when p-slin comes out, im hoppin all over that and stackin it with AP to get supa' swole!!! :bruce3: :dance:
RTB
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wow! it's been entertaining reading all this but i'm not getting any answers. the instructions on the bottle say "take 15 min before carb containing meals 3 times a day". there is no mention of other dietary guidelines to follow while taking this supplement. i understand how important it is to have a good clean diet and if that is necessary while taking AP i'd like to know exactly what to be eating!
EasyEJL
Never enough
From all that I have seen, you will likely need somewhere between 30-70g of carbs in the meal, with as low fat as you can manage. It doesn't seem like the protein level changes effectiveness. I'm just getting this from what i've read. I noticed next to nothing with 30g of carbs, a little at 40, a bit at 50, and I'm going to try higher. At 50, there was a visible difference after eating. Even at 40, I could feel it, but it wasn't a huge difference. I'm taking the bulk yellow gold (which I believe is the same as the original AP), not the current AP product, but the overall profile is close to the same.
same_old
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i have used insulin extensively (up to 8IU) and i can say for a fact that AP elicits not-altogether-different effects. about 20 minutes after dosing i go distinctly hypo, which is only sated by 30+ carbs...and after eating i am distinctly pumped and "swole", moreso than i would have been otherwise.
the product is not "bunk", it just works through a mechanism that not everyone can capitalize on. seems like ectos dont get nearly as much out of AP as mesos and endos. i am no expert on insulin sensitivity or thyroid output, but i can tell you that for those who can benefit from insulinemic manipulation, AP is good stuff.
and anyone who knows me knows that i have absolutely no love for USPLabs...his "that is a racist statement" comment is a tiny glimpse into my reasoning....but i cannot deny the efficacy of this product.
the product is not "bunk", it just works through a mechanism that not everyone can capitalize on. seems like ectos dont get nearly as much out of AP as mesos and endos. i am no expert on insulin sensitivity or thyroid output, but i can tell you that for those who can benefit from insulinemic manipulation, AP is good stuff.
and anyone who knows me knows that i have absolutely no love for USPLabs...his "that is a racist statement" comment is a tiny glimpse into my reasoning....but i cannot deny the efficacy of this product.
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I work extensively with folks from India and to imply that a product has a shaddy origin because research done in India is offensive. I find that to be a racist statement but its my opinion.
gogo
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How is saying that because it is from India is racist though?
If i said i dont want to buy that product from Canada does that mean im racist?
I think you may have used wrong wording but i get what you were trying to get at. You may have just used the wrong words.
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
Ethnocentric or bigot are more 'politically correct' terms. But now we're just splitting hairs.
PumpingIron
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gogo
Active member
Bump that, I would be interested to see if his diet is on key. Also i wouldn't mind seeing what the diet was of the person that USP Labs claims is a non responder to steroids...
RTB
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ok????
EasyEJL
Never enough
SatireWolf
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Not that this post hasn't slid off the topic wagon over into an ocean of 'huh's', but I'm pretty sure if certain sorts of supps don't work for you, a large majority of them won't for the same reasons. Either biological in nature, or dietary in nature.
Back in the day when you could get Vanadyl sulfate by itself, it had much the same pump / insulin effects that AP purports. I personally, got HUGE pumps from mega dosing Vanadyl sulfate. But at the same time, if my carb load was bad, I would hypo and feel like snot for hours afterwards. I'd keep gatorade handy just for taking vanadyl sulfate so I could get some carbs in my system pronto. I had a buddy though that couldn't get any results at all from Vanadyl sulfate. But then again, he was a severe ecto, and burned calories like a freak on speed. I'm not so lucky...
It might be appropriate to suck down some sugar with AP, in the 10g+ range and see if it changes your response behavior.
Granted, this is going to mutz with your diet if you're trying not to put on fat, but insulin related stuff just won't work if there's not enough free carbs to make it work in the first place.
p.s. I wish I could still buy vanadyl sulfate by itself!!! GNC stopped making it, and so did a bunch of other supp vendors. It was cheap, and explosive.
Back in the day when you could get Vanadyl sulfate by itself, it had much the same pump / insulin effects that AP purports. I personally, got HUGE pumps from mega dosing Vanadyl sulfate. But at the same time, if my carb load was bad, I would hypo and feel like snot for hours afterwards. I'd keep gatorade handy just for taking vanadyl sulfate so I could get some carbs in my system pronto. I had a buddy though that couldn't get any results at all from Vanadyl sulfate. But then again, he was a severe ecto, and burned calories like a freak on speed. I'm not so lucky...
It might be appropriate to suck down some sugar with AP, in the 10g+ range and see if it changes your response behavior.
Granted, this is going to mutz with your diet if you're trying not to put on fat, but insulin related stuff just won't work if there's not enough free carbs to make it work in the first place.
p.s. I wish I could still buy vanadyl sulfate by itself!!! GNC stopped making it, and so did a bunch of other supp vendors. It was cheap, and explosive.
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
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PumpingIron
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justreading
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It may not be AP but yellow gold has some things in common with AP qand literally has changed my body more than many cycles. I am up a lean 7-8 pounds from it. I think if you have poor insulin sensativity you will notice more magic from having something to circumvent your slin system.
D'cellFuel
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I also found that AP was not quite working as described until I found what worked for me. Ironically, I discovered that taking in some simple sugars and dosing AP 4 X a day (I eat 4 meals + my protein shake) kicked in the incredible all day pumped feeling. As strange as it does sound I think my diet was too strict with carbs exclusively consisting of sweet potatoes, brown rice, and oats with my AP dosage. Then I discovered on one of my cheat days about 15-30 minutes after eating some
izza: the "pumped" feeling taking effect. Then I tried a dose after eating one of my favorite cheat treats: PayDay candy bars, and I had that skin tightened pumped feeling everywhere!So now I actually eat 1 - 2 PayDay candy bars a day with 1-2 of my AP dose's because thats what I normally eat when not dieting strict and it seems to work for maintaing the "all day pumped feeling". Additionally, my midsection is carved and looking great. I just added a little extra cardio to off set the intake and this did the trick.
Thudd
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My 1.8c, adjusted to allow for carbon neutrality.
To ReaperX: it didn't work for you? Bummer, but it happens you know. Creatine doesn't work for me for example, I'm a total non-responder in all shapes, forms or protocols. However, I'm not about to parade around calling it bunk because it clearly isn't, it's just not the right product for me. Same with AP: it does nothing for you, but that doesn't make it bunk for all those for whom it is producing results.
Maybe you're expecting dramatic, skin-ripping pumps or something, I don't know. But I'm currently taking in between 7000 to 8000 calories a day, and on the last couple of months that I've been religiously sucking down AP I've got visibly leaner, but my upper body particularly is much thicker and my weight has gone up. Think about that: 7000+ daily cals and it's a lean bulk. That's pretty f'kn amazing if you ask me. But it's taken a couple of months combined with consistent training, I didn't just pop one pill, suck down some carbs and watch my biceps swell.
To ReaperX: it didn't work for you? Bummer, but it happens you know. Creatine doesn't work for me for example, I'm a total non-responder in all shapes, forms or protocols. However, I'm not about to parade around calling it bunk because it clearly isn't, it's just not the right product for me. Same with AP: it does nothing for you, but that doesn't make it bunk for all those for whom it is producing results.
Maybe you're expecting dramatic, skin-ripping pumps or something, I don't know. But I'm currently taking in between 7000 to 8000 calories a day, and on the last couple of months that I've been religiously sucking down AP I've got visibly leaner, but my upper body particularly is much thicker and my weight has gone up. Think about that: 7000+ daily cals and it's a lean bulk. That's pretty f'kn amazing if you ask me. But it's taken a couple of months combined with consistent training, I didn't just pop one pill, suck down some carbs and watch my biceps swell.
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One day I will find that pill, but I already have a name "biceps swell." Small royalties to you my friend if I ever find the pill.
Thudd
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same_old
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last time i checked, India was a third world country. to question their chemical/nutraceutical processing abilities and clinical objectivity is not racist, it's just healthy skepticism and sensibility....not that before this most recent GMP law went into effect, the USA wasnt just as uncontrolled in terms of dietary supplements....but the guy still has a legitimate concern, especially considering the quality of some asian powders.
EasyEJL
Never enough
it was about quality of research, not manufacturing. I suppose the same argument could still apply, however there aren't many US based clinical studies done on supplements that I trust entirely either.
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Okay, I suppose you have insight into manufacturing processes. Are you versed or just talking?
same_old
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just talking. i dont think it's untoward for a person to question the practices of a nation whose medical/business practices are unknown to him.especially when he's ingesting it. unless a sound case is made for the quality from an unbiased party, i believe a person has the right to question the legitimacy of an asian powder without being called a racist.
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He was not called a racist. The comment was. He has the right to question but he is not...it's called accusations. you are smart and realize it, but you are picking a fight.
You have taught me that ethics directly correlates with the country of origin, and we should group and label everyone as a whole.
SatireWolf
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This may be off topic by now, but the concerns about 'other country' origin powders is valid. In China for example, a large percentage of food type and powder type products are manufactured in plants not classified by the Chinese government for food or medical production. As such they see no reason to regulate or even inspect what these plants are producing. For all they care, they could be producing DDT right next to their whey protein isolate for all you know. The US food and drug administration as well as department of aggriculture does not have the resources nor the manpower to inspect all the goods that are coming in on shipping containers. And if you think that EVERY supplement company inspects EVERY batch in sufficient quantities to catch every impurity, you're sadly misstaken. That said, am I paranoid about it? Not really. I just like to see some good oversight and process control from companies I buy products from. It's not a matter of where it's from as much as who's inspecting the goods and what percentage of that batch before it goes into the product.
Is this a derogatory attack on USPLabs? No, not in the slightest. I know nothing of their process, or the size of their organization. But I would take a healthy gulp of skepticism when it comes to the origin of product without sufficient quality control and verification of potency.
This is true of ALL supplement companies. So when ReaperX is ripping on India, I don't think it's racist as much as, how do we know the product is clean, and potent?
I'm not defending what he's said, I'm just saying that healthy skepticism isn't a 'bad' thing.
bitterplacebo
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Listen, he said his statement was not intended to be racist. Can we not just take his word for it? He was most likely stressing "shady origin" and not "India." And if that's the case, it's fine, I'm more interested in hearing about different experiences with anabolic pump. Like what different kinds of meals have been like for different people and what their perception is of the supplement. If we here these things maybe we can reach a better consensus on how to get it to "work."
Here's mine:
I just started yellow gold 2 days ago. My first meal with it was something like:
50g carbs from yams
8-10g fat from a tablespoon of peanut butter
36g protein from chicken breast (4.5g fat)
and a cup of green beans or asparagus
That's a typical macronutrient profile for my meals, but I switch the foods around. This first time, I felt much more energetic than usual after the meal, not lazy or tired like sometimes. And since that, my general feeling is being more "full." I don't feel a "pump" like the kind you get in the gym, and I didn't expect one. Maybe people are looking for the wrong thing?
Here's mine:
I just started yellow gold 2 days ago. My first meal with it was something like:
50g carbs from yams
8-10g fat from a tablespoon of peanut butter
36g protein from chicken breast (4.5g fat)
and a cup of green beans or asparagus
That's a typical macronutrient profile for my meals, but I switch the foods around. This first time, I felt much more energetic than usual after the meal, not lazy or tired like sometimes. And since that, my general feeling is being more "full." I don't feel a "pump" like the kind you get in the gym, and I didn't expect one. Maybe people are looking for the wrong thing?
SatireWolf
Well-known member
Agreed. I decided to give YG a go, so I have some on order.
joecski
Board Supporter
I'm in my third week of YG, not AP, but similar, and I follow roughly the same macro profile for my three meals ingested with the YG. I always take in 35-50g carbs with the YG, mostly rolled oats/Fiber one cereal in the AM, whole grain wraps at lunch with veggie's, and sweet potatoes/brown rice/ww pasta with veggies at dinner. In two weeks my weight has gone up about 2 pounds, but my shape in the mirror is more defined and my chest on up is popping. I wouldn't say I have an all day pump, but I find myself flexing my muscles alot unintentionally, so they obviously have a full feeling. I'm only really taking the YG now, no other supps but the normal creatine and whey, so I feel my experiences are directly related. I am definitely going to continue the YG in the future, getting my NutraPlanet order ready to go!
I've tried supps that people hype up and they didn't work for me, could have been my error (probably was) and could have been overhype. Either way, to call a product 'bunk' is ridiculous, there are way too many variables involved to make that judgement. If you don't like a product, feel free to not buy it in the future, no sense in bad-mouthing it.
bitterplacebo
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Good advice. We all know to be skeptical of hype, but I think this is one of these products that you won't know until you try it. It probably depends largely on personal insulin sensitivity/resistance. If you already have an optimum use of insulin and you're storing most carbs in muscle tissue, then of course you won't notice much difference with this product.
D'cellFuel
New member
This is a very succinct synopsis that would be close to an answer as to why AP may simply just not work for some folks. Unfortunately too much digression can make some threads tiresome to sift through when looking for answers about a supplement. Not everyone has the $$$ to support the trial and error method either.
I am insulin resistant and only hoped that when this product came out that it would enable me to utilize my carb intake better. Understanding the theory and designed intent of a supplement is a start. However, much like training, our own individual bodies may not always respond to what work's for the majority of people out there. For ex: some may build their chest on the flat bench press alone while other's may need to implement flyes, dip's, etc... It does not mean however,that the bench press then is a complete B.S. excersise. So you see what I'm aiming at here.
We all must be "in tune" with our bodies response to training and nutrition otherwise a hap hazardous effort will only produce hap hazard results. While some supp's may be nothing but snake oil we are still fortunate that we do have supp's that are in fact effective at what they are "designed' to do.
I am not partial to USP or any other company for that matter. But, I will advocate when I find a supplement that works! AP has given me a volumous look and feel in my muscles that I was lacking when dieting. Anyone out there who has ever taken Dicana knows what I'm talking about if you want to describe the experience of losing fat but looking flat...nuff said. :yawn:
Sorry about being so winded but I did'nt get my cardio in today.
Vegking
Member
Sure it is a concern, but some 3rd world countries are way ahead of the U.S. in certain industries. I work in the produce business. I can tell you from visiting the production areas for Mexican produce, they are way ahead of the US industry when it comes to food saftey practices. Their packing facilities are state of the art compared to the U.S. That is not to say everyone in the U.S. in the industry has crappy standards, they don't. It is just that compared to the"3rd world" Mexican oporations the US has some catching up to do.