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Gaining muscles while losing fat. HGP tries the impossible, watch me fail!

Haha well when you're together with one it's different, it's impossible to nod when nothing makes sense.. I can't do it haha

Well, my wife is German. Nodding makes her suspicious. We never agree so fast. Nodding is seen by her as very odd. The compliment would aggravate her suspicions - a sudden dirty insinuation would cause a face paralysis.

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Well, my wife is German. Nodding makes her suspicious. We never agree so fast. Nodding is seen by her as very odd. The compliment would aggravate her suspicions - a sudden dirty insinuation would cause a face paralysis.

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Haha west and North Europeans are quite reserved but also very calm. Its literally the opposite of South Americans. You get one good benefit you'll have to sacrifice one.

In this case I traded calmness for a more outgoing personality, there are times (between me and you) that I look back and say what the hell did I get myself in to. Fortunately I'm Swedish which means I won't get that offended by any of the sudden aggression.

If I would be live in the 1300s I'd be stoned by her, (not the other way around)
 
Hey HGP, got a query on fasting for you......

I’ve been doing a 14 hour fast daily for the past couple weeks and did a 24 hour fast last week - all good no issues.

Planning to do a 7 day fast a couple of times a year but unsure when to do my first (my aims are health and longevity rather than straight up body comp but as you know aesthetics are important to me).

I’ll be starting a new cycle towards the end of April and could either do my 7 days prior, lean right down and then on cycle I should rapidly regain back any lost muscle mass....

Or do what you did and fast on cycle to avoid much (if any) muscle loss in the first place....just feels like I might be wasting time on cycle which could be spent getting stronger?

Just wondering what your opinion would be?
 
Hey HGP, got a query on fasting for you......

I’ve been doing a 14 hour fast daily for the past couple weeks and did a 24 hour fast last week - all good no issues.

Planning to do a 7 day fast a couple of times a year but unsure when to do my first (my aims are health and longevity rather than straight up body comp but as you know aesthetics are important to me).

I’ll be starting a new cycle towards the end of April and could either do my 7 days prior, lean right down and then on cycle I should rapidly regain back any lost muscle mass....

Or do what you did and fast on cycle to avoid much (if any) muscle loss in the first place....just feels like I might be wasting time on cycle which could be spent getting stronger?

Just wondering what your opinion would be?

No idea. For health maybe off cycle better. You'll keep most muscles anyway, as I understood.
 
I really would like to see you go for sub 10%, it’s an awesome feeling to be a middle aged guy who is cut and jacked, but this is your journey not mine.

If you change your mind you know where to find me, and I know a very simple trick to maintain a shredded state while still feeling good that I’d be happy to share with you if you decide you want dem shredzzz.
Im looking to slash about 20lbs of fat. What helped you? Ive made big dietary changes. Even trying some MCT oil thats 100% from coconut. MCT seemed to cause a thermogenic effect for about 4 to 5 days and thats it. Ive gone off for a week or two and now it does nothing.
 
Same effect like last time, 30 min after eating carbs, body fills out, muscles getting rounder. Seeing some striations on chest for the first time.
Good to see youre still at it hgp. I was able to return to powerlifting if I hadnt told you. Rebuilding my traps enabled them to stabilize the cervical vertebrae.How are your knees doing? Last time I was here I believe you were trying BPC and TB?
 
HGP, what’s your current weight now? How much have you lost from where you started?

Started at 101.5 kg. Lowest was 93 kg. Now I'm at 95 kg. After carb back load I'm at almost 100 kg again -but, without the beer belly.
I actually gained weight since I'm eating the Spurfy recommended minimum on protein. Strength is way up -but changes in the mirror stalled. I'll give it time. If I want to lose more fat, I probably have to do a fast again. Currently, I'm gaining a bit of lean mass, I guess.

Good to see youre still at it hgp. I was able to return to powerlifting if I hadnt told you. Rebuilding my traps enabled them to stabilize the cervical vertebrae. How are your knees doing? Last time I was here I believe you were trying BPC and TB?
Knees feel healed most of the time. Can even jump and run again. Sometimes, without apparent reason they ache.
Good to hear you recovered!
 
Started at 101.5 kg. Lowest was 93 kg. Now I'm at 95 kg. After carb back load I'm at almost 100 kg again -but, without the beer belly.
I actually gained weight since I'm eating the Spurfy recommended minimum on protein. Strength is way up -but changes in the mirror stalled. I'll give it time. If I want to lose more fat, I probably have to do a fast again. Currently, I'm gaining a bit of lean mass, I guess.

That's a win win situation. You wouldn't look that great without being a little big.
 
That's a win win situation. You wouldn't look that great without being a little big.

I would prefer losing fat -instead of adding muscles. Still haven't found the magical balance to lose fat AND gaining muscle.
Eating only the necessary protein and fat has me almost at my daily maintenance, have to spend more calories somehow. Will up cardio a bit.
 
Started at 101.5 kg. Lowest was 93 kg. Now I'm at 95 kg. After carb back load I'm at almost 100 kg again -but, without the beer belly.
I actually gained weight since I'm eating the Spurfy recommended minimum on protein. Strength is way up -but changes in the mirror stalled. I'll give it time. If I want to lose more fat, I probably have to do a fast again. Currently, I'm gaining a bit of lean mass, I guess.


Knees feel healed most of the time. Can even jump and run again. Sometimes, without apparent reason they ache.
Good to hear you recovered!
Its good to hear from you also. I visit the boards here infrequently. So many demands on my time. Drops in visceral fat make a huge difference. Think about all the oxygen and nutrients going to lean muscle. Whereas before it was supporting fat. It makes such a difference. Pleased to hear about your knees. I see too many weightlifters still in their 30s with a plethora of injuries. Its downright shocking.
 
I would prefer losing fat -instead of adding muscles. Still haven't found the magical balance to lose fat AND gaining muscle.
Eating only the necessary protein and fat has me almost at my daily maintenance, have to spend more calories somehow. Will up cardio a bit.

This is where age plays a very important role, I guess. I know I did bring up the age factor more than once. But, that's the truth.
 
This is where age plays a very important role, I guess. I know I did bring up the age factor more than once. But, that's the truth.
I did this once a long time ago. I cant recall how much gear I was on, i just remember it was all oils. I was doing high carb with high protien. I was always on the go. Walking all over the place at work and home. I was in a caloric deficit but it wasnt huge. You can add muscle or lose fat, so long as everything else lines up, by adding or subtracting around 250 to 300 calories per day. Your body freaks out when you start to lose weight, switches to survival mode. Drops your metabolism down and doesnt raise it even if you go back to your regular diet. The body tries to remain at whatever weight youre at now. This is called the setpoint. It takes 21 days to reach a new setpoint. In other words lets say you went from 200lbs to 180. You would need to remain at 180 for a minimum of 21 days before your bosy would stop trying to manipulate you into returning to 200. Aging doesnt have the drastic effect on metabolism that people think it does. Starting around your 60s you start running out of satellite cells in your muscle. Without these cells youll lose mass even with juice hgh etc. Science spent over a decade trying to inject stem cells into muscle to repair this. Everything was met with abject failure. A few months back came a breakthrough. A doctor created a hydrogel mesh that is applied topically. Transdermal delivery of stem cells allowed them all to become satellite cells when they reached the muscle. Here is our way forward. Stem cells are one of many advances in medicine that will change the medical field forever.
 
Started at 101.5 kg. Lowest was 93 kg. Now I'm at 95 kg. After carb back load I'm at almost 100 kg again -but, without the beer belly.
I actually gained weight since I'm eating the Spurfy recommended minimum on protein. Strength is way up -but changes in the mirror stalled. I'll give it time. If I want to lose more fat, I probably have to do a fast again. Currently, I'm gaining a bit of lean mass, I guess.


Knees feel healed most of the time. Can even jump and run again. Sometimes, without apparent reason they ache.
Good to hear you recovered!

Weight/strength up without the belly sounds like great progress brother......
 
Gym, volume

seated row underhand, wide/SS/ high row
seated 235lbs x15
High 200lbs x 9
seated 235lbs x 13
High 200lbs x 9
seated 235lbs x 10
High 200lbs x 8

Smith inclined bench press 225lbs/SS/ elevated push ups
smith x18
push x18
smith x15
push x12
smith x15
push x10

Dragon flags / SS/ DB lateral raises 2x 25lbs
dragon: 30sec
lateral x 16
dragon: 30 sec
lateral x14
dragon: x20 sec
lateral x 9 +2

standing leg curls 35lbs, slow/ SS /seated calf raises
3 sets each, don't remember weights

DB rear delt reverse flies, bent over
2x25lbs x15/15/12 +3

Heavy bag 3x1 minute, 1x full power/1x full speed/1x technical
Spinning, Bicycle HIIT up to HR 155, interval calm down/ full out/ 10 min total
 
Current progress pics (glycogen depleted):

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As I said, apparently fat loss has stalled -but I'm gaining a bit muscles. I upped protein intake to 200 gr/d. Will keep diet like that and introduce more cardio.
 
Current progress pics (glycogen depleted):

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As I said, apparently fat loss has stalled -but I'm gaining a bit muscles. I upped protein intake to 200 gr/d. Will keep diet like that and introduce more cardio.
Looking good. Seeing some nice veins on the delts.
 
Its seems to me I'am able to add muscles while in ketosis. Apparently at the same rate as before when on a high carb diet.
Dropping the IF and add fats during daytime, keeping most protein for post workout and go 500kcal over maintenance, would be a nice setup to test this.

On the other hand, I want to get lean -and not freakish big.
 
Current progress pics (glycogen depleted):

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As I said, apparently fat loss has stalled -but I'm gaining a bit muscles. I upped protein intake to 200 gr/d. Will keep diet like that and introduce more cardio.

May be introduce some Kettle bell swings, Burpees etc to your cardio?
 
May be introduce some Kettle bell swings, Burpees etc to your cardio?

I'm almost dying after the heavy bag and the spinning. Burpees , nah, with my knees -would have to try. Those kettle bell swings look like "old man exercises" are they good?
 
I'm almost dying after the heavy bag and the spinning. Burpees , nah, with my knees -would have to try. Those kettle bell swings look like "old man exercises" are they good?

I have never done. But, seen quite a lot of guys and gals using them for conditioning programs.
 
I have never done. But, seen quite a lot of guys and gals using them for conditioning programs.

I'm more interested in something that involves two people (training partner), something fun and competitive. Will have to search for it.
If I don't find any, I gonna have a look at those swinger-thingy :)
 
Its seems to me I'am able to add muscles while in ketosis. Apparently at the same rate as before when on a high carb diet.
Dropping the IF and add fats during daytime, keeping most protein for post workout and go 500kcal over maintenance, would be a nice setup to test this.

On the other hand, I want to get lean -and not freakish big.
Like the experiment. Proving what you previously doubted.
 
You know what, gonna ask Rocket3015 about kettle bell swings -and if they are old man exercises. He would know.

Muhahahaha!

Edit: Now you have it, that's what you get when lying about your age, Rocket3015 . 61? Never...more like 45. ;)
 
You know what, gonna ask Rocket3015 about kettle bell swings -and if they are old man exercises. He would know.

Muhahahaha!

Edit: Now you have it, that's what you get when lying about your age, Rocket3015 . 61? Never...more like 45. ;)

I am old, but I have never even picked up a kettle bell ..................
 
Kettle bell swings are a serious workout!!!! You want to do them hard style. Great for your entire posterior chain and burns a lot of energy. Want to get someone else involved grab 2 of the same weight and see who can complete the most. You don't even need a kettle bell, you can use a DB for them.
 
Kettle bell swings are a serious workout!!!! You want to do them hard style. Great for your entire posterior chain and burns a lot of energy. Want to get someone else involved grab 2 of the same weight and see who can complete the most. You don't even need a kettle bell, you can use a DB for them.
hairygrandpa there you have it.
 
Arnold didn't use no stinking kettle bell's (maybe his girl friend did ?)

Arnold also never deadlift 900lbs, let alone with the outline of his abs showing at 270lbs at 6’. Adam Derks does, and it’s all glutes when you watch him pull too, & he does KB swings. They work.
 
Arnold also never deadlift 900lbs, let alone with the outline of his abs showing at 270lbs at 6’. Adam Derks does, and it’s all glutes when you watch him pull too, & he does KB swings. They work.

Kettle Bells are for Cross Fit Girley Men !!
 
Rocket3015 sir, suggest how can HGP reduce some more fat. That’s the goal here. You know that he’s not lifting girl weights but he still needs to lose fat.
 
From what I can see he is still leaning out. Definitely leaner in this last group of pics than the one before. If he wants faster then KB Swings and weighted carries are a great way to expend more energy while also getting some growth stimulus. He just needs to make a tire sled and pull that puppy around for a bit. That will do it too. Tons of ways to increase energy expenditure for fat loss.
 
I'm just trying to stir the pot...…………… Jumping rope makes for Great HIT Cardio !!
 
Okay, lots of ideas...gonna sort out what's possible for me. Thank you guys!
 
Honestly HGP those last updates are probably the leanest I’ve seen you - middle picture shows some decent ab definition.

KB swings are great, make sure you get the technique right (it’s a hip hinge rather than a squat), personally I like them with a really heavy bell (I have a 96lb one I use) and do 15-18 swings as a 10 min emom.

If you only have lighter ones then doing a clean n press or snatch in any sort of hiit workout format will jack your heart rate up.

Even better (in my opinion) is weighted sled pushes - these are great in a I go you go partner format (as the quicker you go the less rest your partner gets so you go hard to fcuk them up)

Another option is weighted carries - grap a couple of 60-80lb dBs and carry as far as you can. Great for core as well
 
I recommend a long light walk over KB work, specifically because you are in ketosis. LISS specifically targets fat burn.
 
Gym
Unscheduled gym day, did auxiliaries for rotator cuff, abs, lower back and traps.
Tomorrow carb backloading with chasing the pump. Friday heavy weights day.
 
I recommend a long light walk over KB work, specifically because you are in ketosis. LISS specifically targets fat burn.

Yet burns far less calories in the same time. Although the percentage of fat being burned with LISS is higher by a little bit, it does not actually overtake how much fat is burned from a HIIT session lasting half the time. Which burns more in shorter time frame, and also causes EPOC post training. Not to mention the extra calories needed for the protein synthesis and muscle adaptation driven by the carries and sled work.

You might want to read Deep Water by Jon Anderson, not about the HIIT stuff, but I have seen a few times where you mention as if there is an issue training hard and for mass while eating in ketosis. There is absolutely no drawback to resistance or GPP type training while in ketosis. It still drives growth and adaptation. It is actually a pretty good read. I am not going to say it is optimal for mass gain but you can definitely gain mass on keto. You can use protein sources, or even aminos for insulin spikes. GH levels are up and IGF and MGF levels will be up too. Plenty ways to take advantage. You won't see the big mass gains associated with carbs causing higher muscle volume due to pulling water into the muscles but muscle fibers still grow plenty.
 
Yet burns far less calories in the same time. Although the percentage of fat being burned with LISS is higher by a little bit, it does not actually overtake how much fat is burned from a HIIT session lasting half the time. Which burns more in shorter time frame, and also causes EPOC post training. Not to mention the extra calories needed for the protein synthesis and muscle adaptation driven by the carries and sled work.

You might want to read Deep Water by Jon Anderson, not about the HIIT stuff, but I have seen a few times where you mention as if there is an issue training hard and for mass while eating in ketosis. There is absolutely no drawback to resistance or GPP type training while in ketosis. It still drives growth and adaptation. It is actually a pretty good read. I am not going to say it is optimal for mass gain but you can definitely gain mass on keto. You can use protein sources, or even aminos for insulin spikes. GH levels are up and IGF and MGF levels will be up too. Plenty ways to take advantage. You won't see the big mass gains associated with carbs causing higher muscle volume due to pulling water into the muscles but muscle fibers still grow plenty.

Jon to this day still eats like that. On paper the ratio of protein he eats should have him out of keto for sure (ENORMOUS amounts of greens & protein, I’m talking two full ceasar salads both with double portions of grilled chicken for the meal I sat with him), but the reality is that he is still fat adapted well over time. My guess is the huge amount of muscle he has, how lean he stays, & drugs/genetics allow him to eat so much protein and greens while staying keto. And he trains like a maniac on this.

Like you mentioned, if he needs to grow he will push his protein numbers up for similar effects as carbs. He also has found this to work at around a gram of gear per week just as easily as when younger taking 3+ grams weekly.

Kinda fascinating, and definitely unconventional, but it works for him.
 
Jon to this day still eats like that. On paper the ratio of protein he eats should have him out of keto for sure (ENORMOUS amounts of greens & protein, I’m talking two full ceasar salads both with double portions of grilled chicken for the meal I sat with him), but the reality is that he is still fat adapted well over time. My guess is the huge amount of muscle he has, how lean he stays, & drugs/genetics allow him to eat so much protein and greens while staying keto. And he trains like a maniac on this.

Like you mentioned, if he needs to grow he will push his protein numbers up for similar effects as carbs. He also has found this to work at around a gram of gear per week just as easily as when younger taking 3+ grams weekly.

Kinda fascinating, and definitely unconventional, but it works for him.

Yeah, he is a beast of a different nature. I am sure he does come out of ketosis with the high proteins but also at his massive size he might not. Bigger guys can have 150-even 200g of carbs and still get into ketosis daily. The body is so amazing and adaptable, it is unreal.
 
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