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fu**king newbs stop saying no to serms

stl123 said:
I have never taken mass fx, but I have taken Epistane 2x and saw absolutely no results. I have had great results with hdrol and PPlex. So this statement could very well be true. There are many logs showing how EPI is very hit or miss as far as gains. And yes my diet and training were spot on during my EPI runs, my body just didn't respond as well as it did with Hdrol and PPlex.
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ok thats nice, but your missing the point. Telling a first timer to use something stronger because epi is like mass fx is absurd.
 
Mu5tang69 said:
no i wont be able... u can most likely get a better explaination if u do a search
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I don't need you to explain it to me nor do I need to do research as I know the answer. Yet you are the one preaching to others something you know nothing about. Back it up of STFU!
 
jay21 said:
hey i didnt say it is for everyone. in just my experince i had more strenght from mass fx. epi did jack for me. and i know how to run my cycles. i just didnt respond well to EPI. therefore i was saying in ur threat that IMO mass fx is better then EPI. what ur opinion is is ur choice i dont care.
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Same thing for me. EPI did nothing for me both times I used it. At first i thought the first run was a bunk clone so I ran it again using havok and had the same results, nothing. No leaning out, no hardening effect, no pump, and very little if any strength gains. I am not saying that this compound is bunk, but I just don't get the results i get with other PH's.
 
Drjuicebox06 said:
first of all mass fx and epi are 2 different things. mass fx is baby ****, I dont get how you got more gains out of massfx then epi . you must lift and diet wrong.
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thanks for the new bulletin dude. Epi is baby **** to me. read some logs on it, many people don't get good results with epi. I never said "yes you get better results with mass fx than epi" I just said it is "POSSIBLE". Have you run it or are you just going by the write up you read on it?

obviously my diet and training is wrong if the mighty EPI that you read about doesn't produce for me. Plus I gained 10 lbs+ seperately on hdrol and pplex. how do you explain that genious. same diet and training dude. try again.
 
james1 said:
ok thats nice, but your missing the point. Telling a first timer to use something stronger because epi is like mass fx is absurd.
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sorry bro, I didn't see where he was recommending something stronger than epi for a first timer. Probably not a good idea!

I was just saying the quote i responded to about mass fx giving better gains than epi is "POSSIBLE". that's all brotha. don't get all worked up over it. :bandit:
 
Mu5tang69 said:
so the reason why u 2 are arguing with me is just to prove ur fuking rocket scientist?
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They're saying if you're going to recommend something, at least know why the **** you're recommending it.

You already admitted you don't really know why one would want to run a SERM...so why should anyone listen to you when you say they should.

If you don't know for yourself how the thing works, how in the hell can you expect people to take you seriously when you tell them to take it?

They asked you why one would want a SERM, because they had a feeling you were just saying it, and didn't actually know why. They seemed to have been correct. So it'd probably be best to just stfu now.
 
deadikated said:
They're saying if you're going to recommend something, at least know why the **** you're recommending it.

You already admitted you don't really know why one would want to run a SERM...so why should anyone listen to you when you say they should.

If you don't know for yourself how the thing works, how in the hell can you expect people to take you seriously when you tell them to take it?

They asked you why one would want a SERM, because they had a feeling you were just saying it, and didn't actually know why. They seemed to have been correct. So it'd probably be best to just stfu now.
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i know why to use it. plain & simple to wake up my balls :) thats all i said & thats what i learnt.

then i got nerd bashed & insulted for having to use google to give a nerdy answer.

sorry sup nerds. but u didnt prove ur point about me :)
 
Mu5tang69 said:
so the reason why u 2 are arguing with me & neg repping me is just to prove ur fuking rocket scientists? gezz... nice guys...
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No, they are trying to get you to realize that you need to know how to explain how this stuff works if you are going to give advice rather than typing it into a google serach engine.
 
Mu5tang69 said:
so the reason why u 2 are arguing with me is just to prove ur fuking rocket scientist?
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Look at the anabolic minds logo, and whats underneath it

"Learn Teach Lead"

Then look at the "advice" jay is giving with the title of the thread, and some of what you tried to say. Ripping into people who don't know the answers, or at most what they know is what the salesperson at their local supplement shop that sold them Spawn as a "testosterone booster" told them.

Not all SERMs are or act the same. You can run a cycle of just about anything and recover without a SERM. There was a study on it where people were placed on androgens due to wasting disease, and then later taken off and monitored. All of them (without any sort of PCT) were back to baseline or within reasonable distance from it by 4-6 months. I hunted for the study again, but i'm having no luck finding it. Does 4-6 months sound long? yes, but that was with NOTHING. and these were people on dianabol, etc for 6-18 months, not a 3-4 week cycle.

Are there times when a SERM can be handy? Yes, but the different SERMs all have different times when they are important. Saying that every cycle needs a SERM is about like saying you can't grow if you dont take in fast carbs PWO.

Unless you have a doctor write a prescription for them, SERMs are illegal to possess, whether its the tablets or research chemicals. And with research chemicals you take other risks into your hands like contamination, misdosing, etc. And the SERMs all have their own side effects, or risks of side effects too. Nolva does as much liver harm as superdrol, and clomid makes you emotional like you were a chick on her period.

So there are plenty of reasons why a person might not want to use a SERM.
 
dg806 said:
Really, what does this mean? I have never heard this term before. Did you sing them to sleep?
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sorry my simplicity with supplements is definitely upsetting people. or it cud be the fact that there are alot of angry nerds on roids here.
 
Mu5tang69 said:
i know why to use it. plain & simple to wake up my balls :) thats all i said & thats what i learnt.
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Who told you that?

If someone chemist informs you that eating dog **** will "wake up your balls" you going to just accept that as true too? Or are you going to do some research and actually learn the process by how that is actually possible? How can you expect to know what works and what doesn't if you don't actually understand how it works?

then i got nerd bashed & insulted for having to use google to give a nerdy answer.
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You got bashed for thinking you know your ****, which you've proved isn't really the case.

sorry sup nerds. but u didnt prove ur point about me :)
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I feel you proved their point for them.
 
EasyEJL said:
Look at the anabolic minds logo, and whats underneath it

"Learn Teach Lead"

Then look at the "advice" jay is giving with the title of the thread, and some of what you tried to say. Ripping into people who don't know the answers, or at most what they know is what the salesperson at their local supplement shop that sold them Spawn as a "testosterone booster" told them.

Not all SERMs are or act the same. You can run a cycle of just about anything and recover without a SERM. There was a study on it where people were placed on androgens due to wasting disease, and then later taken off and monitored. All of them (without any sort of PCT) were back to baseline or within reasonable distance from it by 4-6 months. I hunted for the study again, but i'm having no luck finding it. Does 4-6 months sound long? yes, but that was with NOTHING. and these were people on dianabol, etc for 6-18 months, not a 3-4 week cycle.

Are there times when a SERM can be handy? Yes, but the different SERMs all have different times when they are important. Saying that every cycle needs a SERM is about like saying you can't grow if you dont take in fast carbs PWO.

Unless you have a doctor write a prescription for them, SERMs are illegal to possess, whether its the tablets or research chemicals. And with research chemicals you take other risks into your hands like contamination, misdosing, etc. And the SERMs all have their own side effects, or risks of side effects too. Nolva does as much liver harm as superdrol, and clomid makes you emotional like you were a chick on her period.

So there are plenty of reasons why a person might not want to use a SERM.
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dude i wasnt disagreeing about that at all!

my concern was that sumone doing a M1T cycle might come here & fuk himself up. thats all....
 
Mu5tang69 said:
sorry my simplicity with supplements is definitely upsetting people. or it cud be the fact that there are alot of angry nerds on roids here.
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You're like the new guy at GNC who tells you that Cell-tech and Muscle-tech will get you huge in 7 days, and then when someone asks why, you either bullshit them with some crap that makes absolutely no sense or you just regurgitate the ads that Muscletech fed you.

Anyone can say "hey take steroids they make you bigger and stronger." It's a little more impressive, not to mention educational when someone can tell you how that happens.
 
deadikated said:
Who told you that?

If someone chemist informs you that eating dog **** will "wake up your balls" you going to just accept that as true too? Or are you going to do some research and actually learn the process by how that is actually possible? How can you expect to know what works and what doesn't if you don't actually understand how it works?



You got bashed for thinking you know your ****, which you've proved isn't really the case.



I feel you proved their point for them.
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i knew to use a serm to wake ur balls up (w/ a little background on how) thats all i needed to know & that was my input.

to demean me by not being able to talk like a chemist was'nt cool
 
deadikated said:
You're like the new guy at GNC who tells you that Cell-tech and Muscle-tech will get you huge in 7 days, and then when someone asks why, you either bullshit them with some crap that makes absolutely no sense or you just regurgitate the ads that Muscletech fed you.

Anyone can say "hey take steroids they make you bigger and stronger." It's a little more impressive, not to mention educational when someone can tell you how that happens.
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i wud not advise sumthing if i didnt know why.

if i was selling creatine i wud just say it help with recovering and strenght which in turn helps u make bigger muscles

but i wud def not tell the customer any bs by saying u wud get huge in 7 days, thats no fair to accuse me of doing that
 
B5150 and Iron say:


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lol... what a thread !
 
dg806 said:
Ok, I want to do a M1T cycle. Why do I need a serm?
And don't say to wake my balls up. I have no idea what that means.
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from what i was told to restart LH and help restart testosterone production faster so u can keep ur gains because ur guna be shut down for a long time & its guna take time & its guna be very difficult to get ur natty test production back to normal

its a very simply answer i know, thats why i refered to do a search for a more in-depth explanation

so i pointed to the right direction becoz its always better to learn urself.
 
Mu5tang69 said:
from what i was told to restart LH and help restart testosterone production faster so u can keep ur gains because ur guna be shut down for a long time & its guna take time & its guna be very difficult to get ur natty test production back to normal

its a very simply answer i know, thats why i refered to do a search for a more in-depth explanation

so i pointed to the right direction becoz its always better to learn urself.
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I will admit that was alot better answer than "to wake my balls Up".
We wanted you to explain it this way so we would know that you understood it.
 
dg806 said:
I will admit that was alot better answer than "to wake my balls Up".
We wanted you to explain it this way so we would know that you understood it.
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TO: Mu5tang69
FROM: AK32408

Exactly, B5150 and Iron already know what they're talking about.. they were asking you to explain so that you weren't just posting about something you don't know a whole lot about just took look like you did.. got it ?
 
so all these nonsense was just to see if i understood it? i came here to help sumone out of concern. i didnt want sumone to fuk them selves up w/ M1T
 
Mu5tang69 said:
sorry my simplicity with supplements is definitely upsetting people. or it cud be the fact that there are alot of angry nerds on roids here.
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Yeah, I'm a nerd that carries an M4 and puts hole's in the terrorist that want to cut your head off... yeah, I'm that nerd. ;)

Grow up, man. I did not demean you for the sole purpose of embarrassment, only to see if you indeed know anything related to the subject of using a SERM. That's all. You said you did - we said prove it... you Googled it, yadda yadda yadda.
 
Iron Lungz said:
Yeah, I'm a nerd that carries an M4 and puts hole's in the terrorist that want to cut your head off... yeah, I'm that nerd. ;)

Grow up, man. I did not demean you for the sole purpose of embarrassment, only to see if you indeed know anything related to the subject of using a SERM. That's all. You said you did - we said prove it... you Googled it, yadda yadda yadda.
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grow up? i think u got that the other way around

& so what if i google it. what was wrong with that?
 
Mu5tang69 said:
so all these nonsense was just to see if i understood it? i came here to help sumone out of concern. i didnt want sumone to fuk them selves up w/ M1T
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Yes, you really shouldn't be replying to threads like that unless you really really know what you're talking about, and have knowledge to back it up if someone has questions about what you said. That's the way I understand it as anyway.
 
AK32408 said:
Yes, you really shouldn't be replying to threads like that unless you really really know what you're talking about, and have knowledge to back it up if someone has questions about what you said. That's the way I understand it as anyway.
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didnt i back it up?

i gave my explanation & reference
 
any ways the main reason why i came here was to prevent & help sumone out of concern.

i didnt want sumone to fuk them selves up w/ M1T.

instead of backing me up with ur knowledge it was used to demean me.
 
Mu5tang69 said:
didnt i back it up?

i gave my explanation & reference
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You did :) and now you are sort of getting a rough deal since it was really jay who said

jay21 said:
dangerous i see all these newbs recently claiming u dont need serms. YES YOU DO. if ur using ph or ds. epi or phera or dbol u NEED serms. so stop recommending ppl u dont need them!

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not you.
 
I'll add this which is what the thread was initially about, I've seen some posts here recently in this board where some ppl are telling others that SERMs are need for PH/SD cycles, I find that to be very irresponsible to put some else's health at risk, when I see that I correct them and tell them to shut the hell up! my 2cents.
 
man I think this whole thing got way out of hand. Whatever happened to being civil?
Ok now all of you need to kiss and make up. :-)
 
stl123 said:
thanks for the new bulletin dude. Epi is baby **** to me. read some logs on it, many people don't get good results with epi. I never said "yes you get better results with mass fx than epi" I just said it is "POSSIBLE". Have you run it or are you just going by the write up you read on it?

obviously my diet and training is wrong if the mighty EPI that you read about doesn't produce for me. Plus I gained 10 lbs+ seperately on hdrol and pplex. how do you explain that genious. same diet and training dude. try again.
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2 ppl r saying epi sux. accept it. it sux. mass fx gives massive strength gaisn and pumps while epi dose nothing besides lean out..... alittle. in my opinion. and if u wanna use ph might as well use some that will give results. if ur scared of the sides well then stay away from ph and go with massfx and hdx2 or some other t-boosters

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I think some people may not have as easy access to a SERM as the rest of us may.

Also, if you do have access not everyone knows how to use it, or even what it is for. They just hear, Nolva...blah blah
 
gettin access happens through time and connections and learning how to use it. that why ppl can ask for help no1 will flame them i started this threat mainly becuasein past day i seen 3 threats were newbs are tellin ppl 'pp ahh naw u dont need nolva for that'' etc etc. BS yah serms are recommend highly on all ph and ds. bak in the days there were no serms but the bbl were smart. they pulsed like dr.d. explained or they would pyramid to try and help the massive shutdown. but now-a-days u wont meet ppl who do that. thats why serms are highly recommend yah u Will recover w.o. them but like mentioned earlier it can take upto 6months maybe even longer. and theres a thing also called gyno....... so yah

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Mu5tang69 said:
dude i wasnt disagreeing about that at all!

my concern was that sumone doing a M1T cycle might come here & fuk himself up. thats all....
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i took m1t without a serm, i didn't die i don't have blood issues or low test. sooooo what's ur point?
 
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