Formestane - Estrogen Control Agent - Topical

Superpippo said:
tonight I was TOO aggressive and nervous...maybe I shouldn't go with more squirts,very little self control...
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4 SPRAYS 2XDAY is what i use-and i have been using the stuff for a long time.
 
How long should the cycle last to be "healty"?

the label says 4 weeks,I think 6 would not be a problem...what's your experience?
 
Superpippo said:
How long should the cycle last to be "healty"?

the label says 4 weeks,I think 6 would not be a problem...what's your experience?
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i suggest you take it day by day, and cross that bridge when you get there.
 
I used Formestane alomg with a test booster called tauro test.

I found I only used a maximum of 3 squirts a day! My joints(especially wrists) started hurting and I felt dry in genral. Great agression. I tappered down after week 3 because im saving the FS for a PCT in a poosible cycle I'll use.

If I may pick your brains?

After a HDrol cycle of 4 weeks. I was thinking of ramping my formerstane up to 2 squirts a day and hold it there for 2 weeks into my PCT(Nolva) than ramping it dpwnt to 1 then half. I believe im formestane sensitive. So does that sound an ok way to use it??
 
SkItZoId said:
I used Formestane alomg with a test booster called tauro test.

I found I only used a maximum of 3 squirts a day! My joints(especially wrists) started hurting and I felt dry in genral. Great agression. I tappered down after week 3 because im saving the FS for a PCT in a poosible cycle I'll use.

If I may pick your brains?

After a HDrol cycle of 4 weeks. I was thinking of ramping my formerstane up to 2 squirts a day and hold it there for 2 weeks into my PCT(Nolva) than ramping it dpwnt to 1 then half. I believe im formestane sensitive. So does that sound an ok way to use it??
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You would'nt need Form and nolva for an Hdrol PCT..pick one or the other. Other possiblities are Inhibit E or Erase with PCT Assist and a cortisol blocker starting week 3 of PCT
 
mw1 said:
You would'nt need Form and nolva for an Hdrol PCT..pick one or the other. Other possiblities are Inhibit E or Erase with PCT Assist and a cortisol blocker starting week 3 of PCT
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You think the FS would be over kill??

What about after PCT?
 
If this has been covered, please point out where.. I responded very well to CEL Transdermal Formestane, both subjectively and by blood work (apparently).

I say "apparently" because I'm not sure about cross-reactivity between Formestane and/or its metabolites with the serum total testosterone tests.. Is there any chance or evidence to suggest some sort of cross-reaction skewing the blood work results?

Thanks.
 
SkItZoId said:
You think the FS would be over kill??

What about after PCT?
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I personally dont think Nolva is needed for an H-Drol PCT to begin with.

My personal PCT would be Inhibit-E, Liver Assist, and PCT Assist by us.

Alot of people like to run Form low dose on cycle and then overlap it into PCT while tapering off it. I dont think this is 'needed' for an H-Drol cycle if using Inhibit-E as the anti estrogen for PCT, but it could still be beneficial.
 
I'm just starting week 3 of a 5 week p-mag/p-stanz stack. I'm about to add in some CEL Formestane to the stack, I am hoping to further dry out the gains I am getting (packing on the lb's like a mofo as it is :D) and also combat some puffyness of the nips, which I think may have been aggro'd by the p-mag, though there is no sensitivity or pain whatsoever.
I got to say despite what others have said about p-mag, I am not getting much of an increase in workout aggression / libido, so anything Formestane can add to that would also be a bonus :)

For PCT, before I decided to add Formestane, I was just going to do the usual 20/20/10/10 nolva. So am I right in thinking i should taper it down by the time I'm in PCT, and taper off completely by the second week of PCT? Would I do better to reverse the dosage of nolva 10/10 while tapering off Form, then the 20/20 after?
 
I've started at 2squirts twice per day, to see how I get on. Maybe increase to 3 or 4, but I want to give it a few days to assess what it's doing for me. Is that ok when using on cycle?
 
Flash Jordan said:
I've started at 2squirts twice per day, to see how I get on. Maybe increase to 3 or 4, but I want to give it a few days to assess what it's doing for me. Is that ok when using on cycle?
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Yes 50-100 mgs is what i use on cycle. If you overlap the Form into PCT taper it back down.
 
Would Formestane and PCT Assist be ok for PCT after a 6 Week Pmag cycle?

Pmag Cycle 50/75/75/75/75/75

Thanks for any advice!!!
 
Hey bigt, CEL, MW1 and/or anyone else...

Would it be fine, or even necessary to use Form while running D-Plex? I'm in the midst of completing my plan/procedures for my first cycle. I will be running D-Plex and nothing else, besides the staples on-cycle. Like I mentioned, this will be my first run and am pretty excited to say the least.

Now, seeing as how D-Plex is a DHT derivative, and Form controls DHT as well as estrogen, it almost seems as if this would be counterproductive to use while ON, would you guys agree? I've also read from a lot of logs, that D-Plex (The One) produced very dry and lean gains, and I cannot recall a log where gyno was an issue on D-Plex (assuming no predisposition to it before). Of course, this isn't 100% true for everyone, but for the most part it seems to be.

I planned on using Form for PCT regimens instead of Inhibit-E because it seems to offer more than Inhibit-E; although I've never ran either of them. Before I start this run, I'm trying to get PCT Assist (has been OOS for a while now) as well as more Cycle Assist. I don't want to start this unless I have everything ready and on-hand. For the most part, I have everything ready besides a SERM and PCT Assist. Which leads me to final question, is a SERM particularly necessary for D-Plex, or can/will Form, Inhibit-E, or Erase suffice as the main component of my PCT?

Like CEL mentioned, and I kind of tend to agree, but sometimes a SERM seems to be a bit too much for some of these compounds. I've seen some people run Nolva or Clomid after a Stano-Drol or even like a Furaza-A/Stano stack. It almost seems just stupid to run a compound that is stronger and possibly one that could illicit far more side effects than the compound that was used in the beginning, just because it's a rule of thumb in PCTs.

Yes, I understand that anything can happen, but usually this rule of thumb is implied for the harder compounds (your SDs, Alpha Ones, M1,4ADDs, etc) or the advanced stacks of a methyl/non-methyl or even combination of two methyls (Epi + P-Mag). I understand that I have practically no real-life experience to make statements like this since I've never ran a PH, let alone an AI, but I am a pre-pharmacy student and would like to think that I have the basic principles down.

But who knows, maybe I'm off here, which is why we have AM right? Sorry for the long read guys but overall here are the main questions I had in this post...

-Is a SERM completely necessary for D-Plex?
-Would Form provide any extra benefits while ON?
-Can I possibly bridge Form into my last week of D-Plex and continue throughout PCT, or should I just start it when I am completely done with D-Plex?
-Is Form counterproductive at all for D-Plex, either ON or OFF cycle?

BTW, PCT for D-Plex would consist of an AI (Form, Inhibit-E, or Erase), Suppress-C, low dose Reduce XT (2 caps/day), PCT Assist (if I could find some already!!!), Titanium, bulk Maca, DAA and the rest of the staples (multi, EFAs, whey).

If you guys see anything wrong or something that can be changed, please let me know. I plan to make my first run as clean as possible. I will post my final procedures/training/diet for this run as soon as I'm done to get a final critique.
 
F355 said:
Hey bigt, CEL, MW1 and/or anyone else...

Would it be fine, or even necessary to use Form while running D-Plex? I'm in the midst of completing my plan/procedures for my first cycle. I will be running D-Plex and nothing else, besides the staples on-cycle. Like I mentioned, this will be my first run and am pretty excited to say the least.

Now, seeing as how D-Plex is a DHT derivative, and Form controls DHT as well as estrogen, it almost seems as if this would be counterproductive to use while ON, would you guys agree? I've also read from a lot of logs, that D-Plex (The One) produced very dry and lean gains, and I cannot recall a log where gyno was an issue on D-Plex (assuming no predisposition to it before). Of course, this isn't 100% true for everyone, but for the most part it seems to be.

I planned on using Form for PCT regimens instead of Inhibit-E because it seems to offer more than Inhibit-E; although I've never ran either of them. Before I start this run, I'm trying to get PCT Assist (has been OOS for a while now) as well as more Cycle Assist. I don't want to start this unless I have everything ready and on-hand. For the most part, I have everything ready besides a SERM and PCT Assist. Which leads me to final question, is a SERM particularly necessary for D-Plex, or can/will Form, Inhibit-E, or Erase suffice as the main component of my PCT?

Like CEL mentioned, and I kind of tend to agree, but sometimes a SERM seems to be a bit too much for some of these compounds. I've seen some people run Nolva or Clomid after a Stano-Drol or even like a Furaza-A/Stano stack. It almost seems just stupid to run a compound that is stronger and possibly one that could illicit far more side effects than the compound that was used in the beginning, just because it's a rule of thumb in PCTs.

Yes, I understand that anything can happen, but usually this rule of thumb is implied for the harder compounds (your SDs, Alpha Ones, M1,4ADDs, etc) or the advanced stacks of a methyl/non-methyl or even combination of two methyls (Epi + P-Mag). I understand that I have practically no real-life experience to make statements like this since I've never ran a PH, let alone an AI, but I am a pre-pharmacy student and would like to think that I have the basic principles down.

But who knows, maybe I'm off here, which is why we have AM right? Sorry for the long read guys but overall here are the main questions I had in this post...

-Is a SERM completely necessary for D-Plex?
-Would Form provide any extra benefits while ON?
-Can I possibly bridge Form into my last week of D-Plex and continue throughout PCT, or should I just start it when I am completely done with D-Plex?
-Is Form counterproductive at all for D-Plex, either ON or OFF cycle?

BTW, PCT for D-Plex would consist of an AI (Form, Inhibit-E, or Erase), Suppress-C, low dose Reduce XT (2 caps/day), PCT Assist (if I could find some already!!!), Titanium, bulk Maca, DAA and the rest of the staples (multi, EFAs, whey).

If you guys see anything wrong or something that can be changed, please let me know. I plan to make my first run as clean as possible. I will post my final procedures/training/diet for this run as soon as I'm done to get a final critique.
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Trying to cover all of your questions.

PCT should be back in stock within the month most places. Raw material out of stocks really put us behind on that product.

I dont think a SERM is necessary. I think Inhibit-E or our Topical Formestane would be sufficient.

I could argue Form either way as for on cycle use with D-Plex.

Yes, I think you could bridge into the formestane.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
Trying to cover all of your questions.

PCT should be back in stock within the month most places. Raw material out of stocks really put us behind on that product.

I dont think a SERM is necessary. I think Inhibit-E or our Topical Formestane would be sufficient.

I could argue Form either way as for on cycle use with D-Plex.

Yes, I think you could bridge into the formestane.
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Sorry, ya I know it was a lot for one sitting. I forgot to mention, I would run D-Plex for the recommended 4 weeks at 4 caps/day. Would you suggest to start out with a lower dose for the first week, or can I jump into 4 caps/day?

I think I will use Form on a as-needed basis for the cycle and use Inhibit-E for PCT; although I came across this one read that really messed with my head. They claimed that ATD did not increase testosterone, instead it actually decreased it. I can post up the link to the article if you wish to see it.

It would actually be helpful to me if one of you guys can chime in on ATD's stance and effectiveness, for PCT. I don't want to take something that potentially decreases what I am after for in PCT (that being testosterone). But on the other side, so many people have used ATD with success and yet others can't stand it. I'm so confused. Maybe I might just use Form for PCT and save the ATD.
 
F355 said:
Sorry, ya I know it was a lot for one sitting. I forgot to mention, I would run D-Plex for the recommended 4 weeks at 4 caps/day. Would you suggest to start out with a lower dose for the first week, or can I jump into 4 caps/day?

I think I will use Form on a as-needed basis for the cycle and use Inhibit-E for PCT; although I came across this one read that really messed with my head. They claimed that ATD did not increase testosterone, instead it actually decreased it. I can post up the link to the article if you wish to see it.

It would actually be helpful to me if one of you guys can chime in on ATD's stance and effectiveness, for PCT. I don't want to take something that potentially decreases what I am after for in PCT (that being testosterone). But on the other side, so many people have used ATD with success and yet others can't stand it. I'm so confused. Maybe I might just use Form for PCT and save the ATD.
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You could start out for a couple days at 3 caps and then go to 4 caps a day.;). As far as ATD is concerned, i have no problem using it for many PH cycles with D-plex being one of those. I'm not sure I'm familar with the study you are talking about but I am familar with some that showed very positive data. ATD has been used sucessfully by MANY people over the years, but may not be quite as "popular" as some of the other...nonetheless it is still very effective and cheap.
Good luck with your cycle and keep us posted on your progress
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
Trying to cover all of your questions.

PCT should be back in stock within the month most places. Raw material out of stocks really put us behind on that product.

I dont think a SERM is necessary. I think Inhibit-E or our Topical Formestane would be sufficient.

I could argue Form either way as for on cycle use with D-Plex.

Yes, I think you could bridge into the formestane.
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lol-i remember asking you the same question about running d-plex/formestane. i think you said do it-anyways that what i did, i think i logged it on another forum, but very good results and no issues.

2/2 should get er done.
 
thebigt said:
lol-i remember asking you the same question about running d-plex/formestane. i think you said do it-anyways that what i did, i think i logged it on another forum, but very good results and no issues.

2/2 should get er done.
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mw1 said:
You could start out for a couple days at 3 caps and then go to 4 caps a day.;). As far as ATD is concerned, i have no problem using it for many PH cycles with D-plex being one of those. I'm not sure I'm familar with the study you are talking about but I am familar with some that showed very positive data. ATD has been used sucessfully by MANY people over the years, but may not be quite as "popular" as some of the other...nonetheless it is still very effective and cheap.
Good luck with your cycle and keep us posted on your progress
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Thanks mw; just wanted to make sure again that Inhibit-E would suffice as a base for a D-Plex PCT. I'm going to try and get some Nolva to have on hand just in case, don't know how long that's going to take though.
 
F355 said:
Thanks mw; just wanted to make sure again that Inhibit-E would suffice as a base for a D-Plex PCT. I'm going to try and get some Nolva to have on hand just in case, don't know how long that's going to take though.
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ATD is a funny one. From what I understand, ATD will cause a false testosterone count if you got tested while on it. It was how Gaspari marketed Novadex XT as boosting testosterone 400% or whatever stupid amount they claimed. I believe that was the issue with ATD, not that it lowers test, but that you aren't actually using the amount of test that a bloodtest would suggest that you have. It's incredibly strong, and will smash your libido at over 50mg... I prefer 25mg even 25mg eod. Perhaps that libido crash is what they were referring to.

Anyone want to fact check me... it's been a while since I have been around these parts... want to make sure I remember everything correctly.
 
You guys think it would be a good idea to run formestane alongside a d-zine/M-LMG stack? I am running d-zine at 15/30/30/30/30 and M-LMG at 50/50/75/75/75. I was thinking about running it at about 50 mgs a day for weeks 3-5. I am going to have nolva, PCT assist, and suppress-c for the PCT but wanted to have some kind of estrogen control agent for ON cycle. Also, should I use it on cycle as well and post cycle? I know I have lots of questions but some advice is much needed. Thanks fellas.
 
TmRich0808 said:
You guys think it would be a good idea to run formestane alongside a d-zine/M-LMG stack? I am running d-zine at 15/30/30/30/30 and M-LMG at 50/50/75/75/75. I was thinking about running it at about 50 mgs a day for weeks 3-5. I am going to have nolva, PCT assist, and suppress-c for the PCT but wanted to have some kind of estrogen control agent for ON cycle. Also, should I use it on cycle as well and post cycle? I know I have lots of questions but some advice is much needed. Thanks fellas.
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you might throw it in at the end of cycle to help with libido, and continue it thru pct-i notice you have a serm for pct but no real ai. pct assist is a great product, but i don't think it will have a big effect on reducing estrogen.
 
ok cool. You dont think taking nolva, PCT assist, formestane, and suppress-c all at the same time would be too much? Also, what kind of results do you think i should expect with a d-zine/mlmg cycle like the one ive layed out?
 
TmRich0808 said:
ok cool. You dont think taking nolva, PCT assist, formestane, and suppress-c all at the same time would be too much? Also, what kind of results do you think i should expect with a d-zine/mlmg cycle like the one ive layed out?
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short answer-NO.

i would start form last week of cycle/start nolva and pct assist the day after cycle is over/wait a week-10 days then start suppress-c. this is how i would do it.

should see nice gain in strength, mass depends on diet and training-but gains should be very lean and maintainable, you might even gain some pounds and lose some bf-a lot depends on diet and training!!!!
 
enlighten me...why wait for a week to 10 days for the suppress c? and do you think i should chanbge my workouts post cycle or can i keep lifting heavy? I once heard that you shouldnt lift to failure for a few weeks after a cycle.
 
TmRich0808 said:
enlighten me...why wait for a week to 10 days for the suppress c? and do you think i should chanbge my workouts post cycle or can i keep lifting heavy? I once heard that you shouldnt lift to failure for a few weeks after a cycle.
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waiting a week to 10 days before starting a anti cort is what i was taught-and what i always do, it works well for me.
 
you never asked why you should wait? it doesn't make sense to me, i'd like to be enlightened on a scientific reason why, because as of now, everything points to keeping your body in an anti catabolic state and in an anabolic state as much as possible.

the day you come off those androgens, your cortisol levels will be higher and androgens low, this could put your body into a catabolic state. I'd think it'd be better to use a week before pct began, but I could be completely wrong.
 
ok so, formestane can keep your gains dry, while keeping your libido high and keeping estrogenic side effects at bay during a cycle? i mean i read most of this entire thread and you guys are raving about this stuff but is it really going to do all of those things? it sounds too good to be true. a steroid cycle without high estrogen levels and eliminating lots of side effects????
 
TmRich0808 said:
ok so, formestane can keep your gains dry, while keeping your libido high and keeping estrogenic side effects at bay during a cycle? i mean i read most of this entire thread and you guys are raving about this stuff but is it really going to do all of those things? it sounds too good to be true. a steroid cycle without high estrogen levels and eliminating lots of side effects????
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Yes, it can do all of that. I didnt notice the libido effects as much as some, but then I always have a high libido. :D A lot of the experienced formestane users like bigt and celc would agree that all of this is true.
 
Bry17 said:
Yes, it can do all of that. I didnt notice the libido effects as much as some, but then I always have a high libido. :D A lot of the experienced formestane users like bigt and celc would agree that all of this is true.
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When is formestane getting a nobel prize?
 
What are the chances that formestane wipes out all of our estrogen? Which dosages keep our estro levels in check but not eliminating it completely?
 
So I am seeking clarification on Formestanes prolactin reducing capabilities, ie: if I were to run it alongside X-tren would it help keep prolactin levels down? Going to add some p5p aswell.
 
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