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Formestane - Estrogen Control Agent - Topical

Harry Manback said:
Sure, we can discuss this. Let me create a new thread. I should have some time this weekend. This way we don't junk up a form thread with irrelevant talk of other products.

A question on topic:

My cycle is your run of the mill 6 week 50/75/75 etc. I will be running CEL Form on cycle. What do you propose as to proper dosage for the 6 weeks while on hdrol I should run the form at?


...While finishing that sentence, I'm having second thoughts of running the two together as it seems it is better to run for "ON" with something a bit more harsh than hdrol...Enlighten me
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I think that H-Drol and topical formestane will go well together. Considering the cycle myself for later this summer.

I would run the Form at 50 mg twice per day while on cycle and overlap it 2 weeks into my PCT at 50 mg twice per day for the first week of PCT and 25 mg twice per day the second. Some ppl will recomend dosing higher than that.

My personal PCT would be Inhibit-E and Liver Assist by SNS, along with PCT Assist and Suppress-C by us.
 
Ok so im going to be using two pumps twice a day.

Does it matter if i use the same area twice?

Like can i go One pump to one side of chest then one pump to the other
and repeat at night?
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
I think that H-Drol and topical formestane will go well together. Considering the cycle myself for later this summer.

I would run the Form at 50 mg twice per day while on cycle and overlap it 2 weeks into my PCT at 50 mg twice per day for the first week of PCT and 25 mg twice per day the second. Some ppl will recomend dosing higher than that.

My personal PCT would be Inhibit-E and Liver Assist by SNS, along with PCT Assist and Suppress-C by us.
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With keeping in mind that I will be running hdrol for 6 weeks, your second paragraph suggests an 8 week period of form. You don't feel this would be too long on form?
 
gogo said:
Ok so im going to be using two pumps twice a day.

Does it matter if i use the same area twice?

Like can i go One pump to one side of chest then one pump to the other
and repeat at night?
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Shouldn't be a problem. Just make sure your second dose is a good 10-12 hrs apart.
 
Ok, it is decided. Form will be run ON. Hdrol will be 6 weeks. 50/75/75/75/75/75. Form will be 6 weeks as well. With the proposed 6 week hdrol dosing scheme, what would you recommend for dosing CEL Form at for those 6 weeks?
 
gogo said:
Ok so im going to be using two pumps twice a day.

Does it matter if i use the same area twice?

Like can i go One pump to one side of chest then one pump to the other
and repeat at night?
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Shouldnt be a problem unless you have extremely sensitive skin.

Harry Manback said:
With keeping in mind that I will be running hdrol for 6 weeks, your second paragraph suggests an 8 week period of form. You don't feel this would be too long on form?
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It shouldnt be a problem because the outline I gave was low to moderate dosing. If you wanted to though, you could add it in on week 3.
 
So 100 mg each day ON. Would you consider this the "sweet spot" while also on hdrol, or is it just your personal preference? I have to research a bit now on how various people dose thier form.
 
Harry Manback said:
So 100 mg each day ON. Would you consider this the "sweet spot" while also on hdrol, or is it just your personal preference? I have to research a bit now on how various people dose thier form.
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That is just the general on cycle guidelines for topical formestane. Its also what I would do personally.
 
Damn, it didn't realize youy need more than one bottle for PCT with this stuff. I should have read the serving size( 4 squirts 30 servings) I'm going to have to have some next day shipped.
 
I just started a Test E only cycle at 500 mg/week. How would u recommend dosing during cycle.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
I think BigT can probably answer this better than I can. I would probably go with 100 mg per day but he may recomend more.
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You're probably on the right track. I like to start as low as possible to get the results I want. If problems occur with an aromatizing compound, you can always start to ramp up your form dosage until you get the desired results.

In my opinion, it should work well as a preventive measure for the cycle we're talking about. But, if there's a gyno history or current gyno problem, I'd be out of my comfort zone to make a suggestion in that case.
 
No history of gyno, more of a preventive measure. With Test E when do you think I should start. Would it be benificial to start when i start the test to maybe get some gains from the form before the test kicks in, or would by doing that would I be doing more harm by lowering my estrogen level. Also do you think that it might help minimize shut down? Thanks guys
 
posted in another thread but it is not getting answered so I will post here...

what would be proper protocol for this stack to crush my estro/delayed little gyno/waterweight and to avoid estro rebound effects?

Unleashed I could take ED because it has nothing to do with estrogen...
I will start CEL formestane at 4x (twice daily for first 2 weeks) then 4x (once daily for last 2)

Should I take Post Cycle during this or is this too much estrogen blockerS?
 
lifthard24 said:
posted in another thread but it is not getting answered so I will post here...

what would be proper protocol for this stack to crush my estro/delayed little gyno/waterweight and to avoid estro rebound effects?

Unleashed I could take ED because it has nothing to do with estrogen...
I will start CEL formestane at 4x (twice daily for first 2 weeks) then 4x (once daily for last 2)

Should I take Post Cycle during this or is this too much estrogen blockerS?
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Not sure I understood what you were asking. Are you coming off of something or are you talking about taking this as a stand alone cycle?
 
celc5 said:
You're probably on the right track. I like to start as low as possible to get the results I want. If problems occur with an aromatizing compound, you can always start to ramp up your form dosage until you get the desired results.

In my opinion, it should work well as a preventive measure for the cycle we're talking about. But, if there's a gyno history or current gyno problem, I'd be out of my comfort zone to make a suggestion in that case.
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i agree, start low.
 
I'm still curious about the effect on DHT. I've read the abstract that says it prevents T from converting to DHT. But how is it doing this? Effect from inhibition of 5ar? And if so which type? 1 or 2 or both? Also, supressing aromatization leaves more Test available to convert to DHT anyway. So isn't it self limiting in effect? Most Ai's can increase hair shedding by increasing Test and leaving more to target 5ar, rather than aromatizing. So is there a clear answer?
 
I think a lot of AI's bind to the AR themselves. For example, I shed more with 6oxo than I do any of the current phs. Yes, test levels usually turn out to be pretty high with that supp when we see occasional bloodwork. But who gains as much mass as the test levels would insinuate? No one.

I don't have the direct answer to your question regarding how formestane affects dht. But my experience with formestane is that I don't shed and never have any prostate issues with it, even on cycle. So I'd still like to think that there is some mechanism of dht control, although I can't fully explain it myself.

Btw, I picked trione/6oxo as my comparison AI because that's what I'm most familiar with. I've also stacked 6oxo with TD form and IIRC I didn't have shedding like I do with 6oxo solo.
 
celc5 said:
I think a lot of AI's bind to the AR themselves. For example, I shed more with 6oxo than I do any of the current phs. Yes, test levels usually turn out to be pretty high with that supp when we see occasional bloodwork. But who gains as much mass as the test levels would insinuate? No one.

I don't have the direct answer to your question regarding how formestane affects dht. But my experience with formestane is that I don't shed and never have any prostate issues with it, even on cycle. So I'd still like to think that there is some mechanism of dht control, although I can't fully explain it myself.

Btw, I picked trione/6oxo as my comparison AI because that's what I'm most familiar with. I've also stacked 6oxo with TD form and IIRC I didn't have shedding like I do with 6oxo solo.
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whats interesting is that formestane is reported to reduce formation and action of dht, while also reducing prolactin receptors. dht is often used to reduce prolactin, but formestane reduces dht and prolactin-figure that one out. all i know is formestane has worked great for me and remains one of my all time favorites.
 
What kind of results can one expect to gain from running this solo?

I'm trying to recomp right now, and am about to start a 6 week bioforge/Glycobol stack. Was wondering if this would be a good addition?

If not, I'd running Bioforge/Glycobol and maybe after run This + Suppress C. Any advice would be much appreciated.
 
Most say that formestane stacks well with anything. In my opinion, it flat out overshadows anything I stack it with except for phs.

Formestane works great for me for recomp so I think it would be a perfect choice. You'll lean out a little and strength will keep climbing.
 
celc5 said:
Most say that formestane stacks well with anything. In my opinion, it flat out overshadows anything I stack it with except for phs.

Formestane works great for me for recomp so I think it would be a perfect choice. You'll lean out a little and strength will keep climbing.
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Excellent, just the info I was looking for. THank you.
 
Bear with me during this post but Im trying to get everything ready for my cycle coming up in a few weeks and want to make sure I have everything in order before doing so. Im going to be running 1AD/4AD (UTT) with Arom-X as my base cycle and Im adding in Formestane on cycle and Suppress-C and T-911 into the PCT... I have 3 ways I want to run the cycle and want to know your opinion on which way would be the best

Version 1
Formestane
100/100/100/50

Version 2 (Into PCT last 2 weeks)
100/100/100/100/100/50

Version 3 (Start Form 2 Weeks b4 1AD/4AD & finish off 2 weeks into PCT)
200/200/150/100/100/100/100/50


And the Consensus on Suppress-C is 100mg ED split in 2 doses??


any help would be appreciated guys :)
 
Topical Form is definetly one of my favorite products of all time . There's no sides and it really help harden and lean me out. I think I'll use it with h drol or furazadrol soon.
 
ECUKingbuddy said:
Bear with me during this post but Im trying to get everything ready for my cycle coming up in a few weeks and want to make sure I have everything in order before doing so. Im going to be running 1AD/4AD (UTT) with Arom-X as my base cycle and Im adding in Formestane on cycle and Suppress-C and T-911 into the PCT... I have 3 ways I want to run the cycle and want to know your opinion on which way would be the best

Version 1
Formestane
100/100/100/50

Version 2 (Into PCT last 2 weeks)
100/100/100/100/100/50

Version 3 (Start Form 2 Weeks b4 1AD/4AD & finish off 2 weeks into PCT)
200/200/150/100/100/100/100/50


And the Consensus on Suppress-C is 100mg ED split in 2 doses??


any help would be appreciated guys :)
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If I understand correctly, Version 2. During cycle with a 2 week overlap into PCT.
 
Hey guys I've been looking at your td formestane product for a solo run as my first step into hormonal products. I see that you guys are suggesting:

Stand Alone Cycles:
Week 1: 200 mg per day; 100 mg (4 squirts) twice per day
Week 2: 200 mg per day; 100 mg (4 squirts) twice per day
Week 3: 200 mg per day; 100 mg (4 squirts) twice per day
Week 4: 100 mg per day; 50 mg (2 squirts) twice per day

Are there any real chances of sides with this dosing scheme? What would they be and how would you counter them? Should I have anything on hand just in case? Also, are there any logs with bloodwork or anything that you guys know of?

Could you make gains with this run? Or would it mainly just be a recomp/hardness?

Thanks
 
Dosing:
Start lower and work your way up. Most like 200/day but I like it a little lower and still reap all the benefits.

Sides:
I start to have BP and sleep issues after about 2-3 weeks. Most don't experience this side. It happens to the unlucky few of us that have those symptoms with pretty much any AI. I counter this with a hefty dose of Hawthorne Berries, preloaded.

Results:
I lean out, increase aggression which = increased strength, and increased libido.

Keep it simple. Stack with a creatine if you're on a bulking diet. Stack with your favorite fat burner if you want to cut in my opinion.
 
i purchased 2 bottles of cel's td formestane and plan to run 2 pumps 2xday until cel comes out with a new ph i am interested in. or i may just run p-mag in august. very grateful to cel for bringing back a pre-mixed td formestane product.
 
Blitzkrag said:
Hey guys I've been looking at your td formestane product for a solo run as my first step into hormonal products. I see that you guys are suggesting:

Stand Alone Cycles:
Week 1: 200 mg per day; 100 mg (4 squirts) twice per day
Week 2: 200 mg per day; 100 mg (4 squirts) twice per day
Week 3: 200 mg per day; 100 mg (4 squirts) twice per day
Week 4: 100 mg per day; 50 mg (2 squirts) twice per day

Are there any real chances of sides with this dosing scheme? What would they be and how would you counter them? Should I have anything on hand just in case? Also, are there any logs with bloodwork or anything that you guys know of?

Could you make gains with this run? Or would it mainly just be a recomp/hardness?

Thanks
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any chance of suppression/rebound with this kind of dosing?
 
Formestane destroyed my lump quickly and with a real low dose. However, the lump came back after discontinuing formestane. Not sure if that counts as rebound or not, and I don't have bloodwork to say one way or another.

IMO if there's not a problem BEFORE running formestane, there won't be any rebound or supression issues afterwards either.
 
celc5 said:
Formestane destroyed my lump quickly and with a real low dose. However, the lump came back after discontinuing formestane. Not sure if that counts as rebound or not, and I don't have bloodwork to say one way or another.

IMO if there's not a problem BEFORE running formestane, there won't be any rebound or supression issues afterwards either.
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have you considered running a low does for an extended time frame, something along the lines of what dreamweaver does?
 
thebigt said:
have you considered running a low does for an extended time frame, something along the lines of what dreamweaver does?
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Yes, definately. That's a possibility.

I'm definately going to wait and give it more time before I address the issue again. Over the past few weeks, the lump seemed to decrease in size and sensitivity without any hormonal supplementation.

At any rate, Formestane is going to be a key factor in getting rid of this minor, thank goodness LOL, issue at some point.
 
celc5 said:
Yes, definately. That's a possibility.

I'm definately going to wait and give it more time before I address the issue again. Over the past few weeks, the lump seemed to decrease in size and sensitivity without any hormonal supplementation.

At any rate, Formestane is going to be a key factor in getting rid of this minor, thank goodness LOL, issue at some point.
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hey man, maybe why it keeps re-occuring is like taking antibiotics, you don't stop taking them until they are gone-even if symptoms disappear. maybe a month or 2 of low dose form will clear it up for good?????:afro:bro-logic fo- shure but who knows?
 
thebigt said:
hey man, maybe why it keeps re-occuring is like taking antibiotics, you don't stop taking them until they are gone-even if symptoms disappear. maybe a month or 2 of low dose form will clear it up for good?????:afro:bro-logic fo- shure but who knows?
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also a good point. You might be right and I've thought a few times that I may have botched it up by bailing on formestane too soon this time.

I've also seen a lot of suggestions that the res in Sustain may have also played a role in the rebound. There's a few people that have pointed straight to that in my pct plan. I suppose it's possilbe that it doesn't CAUSE problems for people who aren't susceptible, but might be the straw that broke the camel's back for those of us with a bit of a history.
 
heres a question ive been wondering about i am taking 100mg of form daily during my cycle

typically i put all 4 pumps on at night before bed after the shower


should i be doin g 50 am 50 pm?
 
Outside Backer said:
should i be doin g 50 am 50 pm?
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Yes, definitely split up your doses. IMO that does a better job of controlling estrogen and with the leaning effect.

A hefty dose all at once is better for a burst of aggression or libido... not that spreading out the doses is weak in those departments, it's just not that instant BURST.
 
I have a question that was asked earlier in this thread but was ended quite soon rather than a longer conversation of it. Anyways......I just started using my td form with my xtren and cycle assist and was wondering about the transfering of the form to others. I applied it on the inside of my arms and the top of my feet and have a son and wife that I dont want (if it does) to transfer the form to them. Is the form not transferable after its application?? Can someone perhaps from CEL and bigt shed light on this topic with recommendations if it does transfer even after several hours of application?
 
W8TS4ME said:
I have a question that was asked earlier in this thread but was ended quite soon rather than a longer conversation of it. Anyways......I just started using my td form with my xtren and cycle assist and was wondering about the transfering of the form to others. I applied it on the inside of my arms and the top of my feet and have a son and wife that I dont want (if it does) to transfer the form to them. Is the form not transferable after its application?? Can someone perhaps from CEL and bigt shed light on this topic with recommendations if it does transfer even after several hours of application?
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i don't have any science to base this on, but really feel that any amount of residue that could be transferred would be so small that it would not be a problem. i have been using formestane off and on for over 3 years and i have noticed no side effects in my wife, at least she hasn't grown any chest hair-yet ,lol.
 
thebigt said:
i don't have any science to base this on, but really feel that any amount of residue that could be transferred would be so small that it would not be a problem. i have been using formestane off and on for over 3 years and i have noticed no side effects in my wife, at least she hasn't grown any chest hair-yet ,lol.
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lol......bigt thanks have another question that I think everyone (well most everyone) may have. Its recommended that the form be applied twice a day and I apply at morning upon waking up and just before bed after shower.NOW........heres the question.....

If libido is up (and so far its been up and boys been hanging around really low) and I applied it as stated after shower before bed and wife and I start to get that groove on (sex) will the form have a chance of transfering or should I wait several hours??


one more question......It seems that the form is more than an AI?? As I read these threads it seems to give strenght and tightens up where applied. I applied this morning to stomach and boy it started to tighten up really fast.....is the form more than and AI?? Your feedback appreciated.
 
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