Formestane - Estrogen Control Agent - Topical

Can i use this transdermal td formestane with Propecia, to keep estrogen under control?

Im using Propecia to lower DHT to keep hairloss under control, and Propecia can cause an increase in Estrogen.


Is the transdermal td formestane safe to use to nake sure my estrogen levels stay on the lower end whilst on Propecia?
 
superone said:
Can i use this transdermal td formestane with Propecia, to keep estrogen under control?

Im using Propecia to lower DHT to keep hairloss under control, and Propecia can cause an increase in Estrogen.


Is the transdermal td formestane safe to use to nake sure my estrogen levels stay on the lower end whilst on Propecia?
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I dont see why it would be a problem, but BigT can probably elaborate more than I can myself.
 
hdrol/xtren

im currently on an hdrol/xtren cycle...would it be a good idea to add in some formestane to this stack.....
 
superone said:
Can i use this transdermal td formestane with Propecia, to keep estrogen under control?

Im using Propecia to lower DHT to keep hairloss under control, and Propecia can cause an increase in Estrogen.


Is the transdermal td formestane safe to use to nake sure my estrogen levels stay on the lower end whilst on Propecia?
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formestane is great at keeping estrogen levels down, but it also lowers dht. low dose of td formestane at 1-2 pumps 1-2 xday should be the most you need for what you want to use it for. you may even be able to reduce the amount of propecia-save some cash. if you find you are getting good results using less propecia, the formestane may actually pay for itself. btw-dreamweaver says he is getting long term benifits of td formestane at just 2 pumps every other day, play with dosing to find what works for you but start out on the low side and go up if you need to.
 
hey bigT, could i use the td formestane at the same time of dosing pplex/estane? i mean i want to do 1/2 squirts at night before bed, and one when i wake up, but i also want to dose my pplex/estane when i wake up, are there any conflicts?
 
Harland said:
hey bigT, could i use the td formestane at the same time of dosing pplex/estane? i mean i want to do 1/2 squirts at night before bed, and one when i wake up, but i also want to dose my pplex/estane when i wake up, are there any conflicts?
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none. the td formestane is extended release so no problem. hey, harland you should try the drying off in front of a fan thing. even at that low of a dose it's possible you might get the formestane rush.
 
thebigt said:
none. the td formestane is extended release so no problem. hey, harland you should try the drying off in front of a fan thing. even at that low of a dose it's possible you might get the formestane rush.
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im not totally following...? what rush?
 
Harland said:
im not totally following...? what rush?
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no worry's, it's a good thing. i have when using higher doses of td formestane and drying in front of fan felt a 'rush' of aggression and testosterone- believe me if you get it you will like it, feels like a million bucks. some others report feeling this but not all.
 
thebigt said:
no worry's, it's a good thing. i have when using higher doses of td formestane and drying in front of fan felt a 'rush' of aggression and testosterone- believe me if you get it you will like it, feels like a million bucks. some others report feeling this but not all.
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:D cant wait, yeah im just waiting for it to show up on nutra or somewhere else, and im going to go ahead and get everything rolling. :D
 
Harland said:
:D cant wait, yeah im just waiting for it to show up on nutra or somewhere else, and im going to go ahead and get everything rolling. :D
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thank GOD, thought i had scarred you. it really is kickass, i hope you get the chance to feel the 'rush'. man i tell you i only get it on high doses but it's a really great feeling, like a wave of testosterone-very nice.
 
thebigt said:
thank GOD, thought i had scarred you. it really is kickass, i hope you get the chance to feel the 'rush'. man i tell you i only get it on high doses but it's a really great feeling, like a wave of testosterone-very nice.
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lol no, i was just confused, i probably will only take 50-75 while on cycle to help keep my estrogen low, then i might ramp it up in pct.

Oh while you answering questions, lol, how do you feel about the reverse to serm thing. like i start the serm week one pct with low dose formestane, then as serm goes down, form goes up? or should i just run it at medium dose thorughout pct?
 
Harland said:
lol no, i was just confused, i probably will only take 50-75 while on cycle to help keep my estrogen low, then i might ramp it up in pct.

Oh while you answering questions, lol, how do you feel about the reverse to serm thing. like i start the serm week one pct with low dose formestane, then as serm goes down, form goes up? or should i just run it at medium dose thorughout pct?
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i know what i would do, ramp it up to 6 pumps 2xday as serm goes down, then taper down on the form. not everyone needs or likes that high of a dose, go to 4 pumps 2xday and see how that treats you. just be sure to taper down when coming off the form. ive found that when you go high even for a short time the effects will stay with you until after you come off the form. do some testing, see what's best for you. formestane is a great sup just find your sweet spot.
 
thebigt said:
formestane is great at keeping estrogen levels down, but it also lowers dht. low dose of td formestane at 1-2 pumps 1-2 xday should be the most you need for what you want to use it for. you may even be able to reduce the amount of propecia-save some cash. if you find you are getting good results using less propecia, the formestane may actually pay for itself. btw-dreamweaver says he is getting long term benifits of td formestane at just 2 pumps every other day, play with dosing to find what works for you but start out on the low side and go up if you need to.
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Cool, thanks a lot for your help i appreciate it. Do you have a link where i can purchase this product?
 
superone said:
Cool, thanks a lot for your help i appreciate it. Do you have a link where i can purchase this product?
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you can always google it. but if you wait, i think it is coming soon to nutra planet. i am sure bryan is doing everything he can to make this available here.
 
Harland said:
hey bigT, could i use the td formestane at the same time of dosing pplex/estane? i mean i want to do 1/2 squirts at night before bed, and one when i wake up, but i also want to dose my pplex/estane when i wake up, are there any conflicts?
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I like this whole entire plan, I like the form addition, I like the inverse serm pct strategy. All looks good to me :thumbsup:

The only suggestion that I have is to bridge your Pplex to Estane instead of stacking. I would do this:
PPlex 15/30/45
Estane 0/0/30/40/50
I'd run a low dose form through the whole thing. If you stack these 2 like you are suggesting, I think recovery will be a bit tougher but still very productive cycle IMO.
 
celc5 said:
I like this whole entire plan, I like the form addition, I like the inverse serm pct strategy. All looks good to me :thumbsup:

The only suggestion that I have is to bridge your Pplex to Estane instead of stacking. I would do this:
PPlex 15/30/45
Estane 0/0/30/40/50
I'd run a low dose form through the whole thing. If you stack these 2 like you are suggesting, I think recovery will be a bit tougher but still very productive cycle IMO.
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five weeks sounds good :D maybe
pplex 20/30/30/40
estane 0/20/30/30/40
form 0/50/50/50/50/75/100/50... or 0/50/50/50/50/50/75/75/50
nolva 0/0/0/0/0/20/20/20/10...
supress c 0/0/0/0/0/100/100/100/50/50
 
Harland said:
five weeks sounds good :D maybe
pplex 20/30/30/40
estane 0/20/30/30/40
form 0/50/50/50/50/75/100/50... or 0/50/50/50/50/50/75/75/50
nolva 0/0/0/0/0/20/20/20/10...
supress c 0/0/0/0/0/100/100/100/50/50
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ur pp strategy looks fine
both of your form strategies would be fine

your estane strategy starts out dosed too low IMO. Have you ran an epithio before? Edit: I just saw your stats. Again, the estane dose you suggest is too low for your size. At least 30/40/50 IMO for you.

And I'd keep the "bridge" to 1 week instead of 2. Dragging it out longer does not always translate to more productive.
 
thebigt said:
formestane is great at keeping estrogen levels down, but it also lowers dht. low dose of td formestane at 1-2 pumps 1-2 xday should be the most you need for what you want to use it for. you may even be able to reduce the amount of propecia-save some cash. if you find you are getting good results using less propecia, the formestane may actually pay for itself. btw-dreamweaver says he is getting long term benifits of td formestane at just 2 pumps every other day, play with dosing to find what works for you but start out on the low side and go up if you need to.
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So the formestane lowers DHT aswell, doesnt this cause libido issues in some of you guys using this?


Does forestane still help you get that hard body look, even though its lowering DHT levels aswell? Since DHT helps your body look lean and hard?
 
celc5 said:
ur pp strategy looks fine
both of your form strategies would be fine

your estane strategy starts out dosed too low IMO. Have you ran an epithio before? Edit: I just saw your stats. Again, the estane dose you suggest is too low for your size. At least 30/40/50 IMO for you.

And I'd keep the "bridge" to 1 week instead of 2. Dragging it out longer does not always translate to more productive.
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yeah i think 5 weeks will be awesome, was not really looking forward to six weeks, cant believe i didn't think of this before.

i had it planned like this:
both pplex and estane ran like this... 20 the first 5 days, 30mg for two weeks then finish out the last week and half at 40mg, basically one whole bottle in 28 days. so i think if i run both like that and over lap them start in week two, it should would out nice.
 
Formestane should dry you out a bit, so you should get a "harder" look.
 
superone said:
So the formestane lowers DHT aswell, doesnt this cause libido issues in some of you guys using this?


Does forestane still help you get that hard body look, even though its lowering DHT levels aswell? Since DHT helps your body look lean and hard?
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don't knock a good thing, td formestane will give you the benifits of a lean, hard body without the concern of raising dht and all the problems associated with increased dht-shedding and prostate problems [bph]. and believe me td formestane does not cause libido issues-unless you consider a supercharged sex drive an issue, lol.
 
thebigt said:
don't knock a good thing, td formestane will give you the benifits of a lean, hard body without the concern of raising dht and all the problems associated with increased dht-shedding and prostate problems [bph]. and believe me td formestane does not cause libido issues-unless you consider a supercharged sex drive an issue, lol.
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Thats sounds pretty amazing, but im going to have to give the product a try to really beleive that. I hope its true though.


Can you give me a little education on formestane if you dont mind? Does it have any effects on Progesterone? Does it effect adrenal hormones in any way? Because i dont want to mess with anything that will effect adrenal hormones, as i had nasty adrenal fatigue for a couple years and i just finally healed myself. I definfely dont want to be messing with DHEA-S or Cortisol levels.


Thanks!
 
superone said:
Thats sounds pretty amazing, but im going to have to give the product a try to really beleive that. I hope its true though.


Can you give me a little education on formestane if you dont mind? Does it have any effects on Progesterone? Does it effect adrenal hormones in any way? Because i dont want to mess with anything that will effect adrenal hormones, as i had nasty adrenal fatigue for a couple years and i just finally healed myself. I definfely dont want to be messing with DHEA-S or Cortisol levels.


Thanks!
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nah ur just messing with test/estrogen levels!!!
 
superone said:
Thats sounds pretty amazing, but im going to have to give the product a try to really beleive that. I hope its true though.


Can you give me a little education on formestane if you dont mind? Does it have any effects on Progesterone? Does it effect adrenal hormones in any way? Because i dont want to mess with anything that will effect adrenal hormones, as i had nasty adrenal fatigue for a couple years and i just finally healed myself. I definfely dont want to be messing with DHEA-S or Cortisol levels.


Thanks!
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i think you will be fine, like buster said formestane deals mainly with test to estrogen levels. i have never heard of formestane effecting progesterone/cortisol levels, or effecting adrenals. btw what caused the adrenal fatigue?
 
How do you feel about application on the tops of feet, i remember back in my earlier days i used TDs and some applications went on my feet, because of the lack of hair, thin skin, and a ton of veins.

Is that frowned upon nowadays, or still good?
 
Harland said:
How do you feel about application on the tops of feet, i remember back in my earlier days i used TDs and some applications went on my feet, because of the lack of hair, thin skin, and a ton of veins.

Is that frowned upon nowadays, or still good?
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tops of feet, back of knees- it's all good. try to mix it up-upper body lower body. don't be afraid to experiment. ok, this goes no farther than this thread, but i even tried applying to balls-caused them to itch and went around scratching them for a week, lol. i don't recommend it.:pat:
 
Yea I was wondering about applying it to areas other then the arms and inner thighs. Granted it smells OK, the thought of getting dressed and the smell lingering was on my mind, but will definitely try it on the feet and back of knees.
 
Harland said:
How do you feel about application on the tops of feet, i remember back in my earlier days i used TDs and some applications went on my feet, because of the lack of hair, thin skin, and a ton of veins.

Is that frowned upon nowadays, or still good?
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In my experience, if you want a real hard rush, for example using it for libido enhancement, I find that applying to the feet hits me hard and fast. IMO your plan would work.

With a lower dose like I'm running, I'm not convinced that application site is all that important. Just being consistent with dosing twice per day about 8-12 hours apart is most important.

Superone,
I encourage you to be skeptical with this product. Log it so we can all see your reaction when you try it ;) He He ...and, look at how the first batch was selling out at all the vendors. That should tell you something about how people feel about formestane's effects.
 
thebigt said:
i think you will be fine, like buster said formestane deals mainly with test to estrogen levels. i have never heard of formestane effecting progesterone/cortisol levels, or effecting adrenals. btw what caused the adrenal fatigue?
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Cool, thanks for the help.


But im wondering if its even healthy to have lower end DHT levels ( propecia ) and lower end Estrogen levels ( formestane )? This would also leave me with higher Testosterone levels, why may end up too high and not healthy?


Stimulants are what did my adrenals in, and not even long term use either it happened rather quickly. I did the ZRT labs saliva test to confirm.
 
celc5 said:
In my experience, if you want a real hard rush, for example using it for libido enhancement, I find that applying to the feet hits me hard and fast. IMO your plan would work.

With a lower dose like I'm running, I'm not convinced that application site is all that important. Just being consistent with dosing twice per day about 8-12 hours apart is most important.

Superone,
I encourage you to be skeptical with this product. Log it so we can all see your reaction when you try it ;) He He ...and, look at how the first batch was selling out at all the vendors. That should tell you something about how people feel about formestane's effects.
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LOL, cool, i definetly will tell my results and how i feel on it. Will be ordering some next week.
 
ok so NP does not carry this and i want this product very badly, do you know what stores carry it that i can drive to? gnc? nutri shop? nutrition zone?
 
superone said:
Thats sounds pretty amazing, but im going to have to give the product a try to really beleive that. I hope its true though.


Can you give me a little education on formestane if you dont mind? Does it have any effects on Progesterone? Does it effect adrenal hormones in any way? Because i dont want to mess with anything that will effect adrenal hormones, as i had nasty adrenal fatigue for a couple years and i just finally healed myself. I definfely dont want to be messing with DHEA-S or Cortisol levels.


Thanks!
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sorry to hear your situation, i have high cort and i thought i had adrenal insufficiency, instead now im slightly hypo which showed simlar symptoms.

anyways, you now understand how fragile hormone axis is ...they dont call it HPTA for no reason, it affects all hormones and all the chain of command, its a domino effect.

i guarantee any hormones you touch will affect your adrenals. you cant think that test is from your nuts so it will not mess with your thyroid or adrenal since they are different hormones...best thing to do if you are going to use any type of hormone (sex hormones/thyroid etc) you will have to check your cortisol periodically, or go by symptoms which is not too accurate and have replacement cortisol around or just be careful with the stuff....sorry man, genetics bro.

you probably should check E, SHBG and Thyroid values as well.
 
Where can we buy this guys? I couldnt find it on cels site or nutra

edit: what dosage (pumps) would you guys recommend for hardening the chest/preventing or reducing gyno and nothing else, my hormones are being a big screwy right and I was looking at using this to prevent gyno getting worse/reduce chest fat
 
Random181 said:
Where can we buy this guys? I couldnt find it on cels site or nutra

edit: what dosage (pumps) would you guys recommend for hardening the chest/preventing or reducing gyno and nothing else, my hormones are being a big screwy right and I was looking at using this to prevent gyno getting worse/reduce chest fat
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^^ are u on cycle , in pct or off cycle right now?
 
Random,
I had a mild gyno lump for about 6 months. I got it down a few times but no where near as good as CEL's formestane is working for me right now.

I'm 31 days into a PMAG cycle and the lump is still gone. It's been gone since about day 10 or 15. I'm using 1 pump of CEL's Formestane twice per day on most days. Occasionally, I use 1 pump 3 times per day. This stuff is the real deal, just as good results as Eform with a carrier that is easier to handle and a bottle that does NOT clog :head:
 
thanks for the comment celc5 :), nw1 im off cycle but have extremely high test levels which is causing me estro problems, I was just looking for the sort of dose that will keep the chest fat/gyno at bay :)
 
I am planning on duing a cycle of Hdol/bold in the very near future as follows

H-Drol:6weeks 50/75/75/75/75/75-100 depending on how I feel
EX-PLEX: 8weeks 600/600/800/800/800/800/800/800

I plan on using formestane and activate xtream in PCT and cycle assist thru cycle/PCT

What are your thoughts on this cycle?
 
AFOX said:
Some say formestane is suppressive, and should not be used for PCT. Is this a valid theory?
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that's what it is 'a theory', there are a ton of actual user's who have used it very successfully. all 'ai's' are not created equal, formestane is on a different level. that is why i love this stuff.
 
So does formestane lower the good HDL cholesterol and raise the bad LDL cholesterol like other AI's can do?


Estrogen is supposed to raise the good HDL and lower the bad LDL so maybe anything that lowers Estrogen will do this.
 
superone said:
So does formestane lower the good HDL cholesterol and raise the bad LDL cholesterol like other AI's can do?


Estrogen is supposed to raise the good HDL and lower the bad LDL so maybe anything that lowers Estrogen will do this.
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formestane was considered safe enough to be approved by medical association for long term breast cancer treatment, name another ai with this kind of science behind it. i keep saying this-formestane is not your regular ai- it is a one of a kind. you cannot compare it to other otc ai's, just be lucky formestane is available again and buy all you can-while you can.
 
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