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Little update with formeron:
End of week 4 today:
Deadlift up from 455 to 500 (4 week span)
Bench up to 375 for reps of 5 (315 for 2 before)
Squat 355 to 405 (atg) no straps or belt. with my belt I can get 455 easily now.

Weight 201 now 211.4 and climbing. Body fat also went up but hopefully it goes down after week 6.
 
luckylefty811 said:
Little update with formeron:
End of week 4 today:
Deadlift up from 455 to 500 (4 week span)
Bench up to 375 for reps of 5 (315 for 2 before)
Squat 355 to 405 (atg) no straps or belt. with my belt I can get 455 easily now.

Weight 201 now 211.4 and climbing. Body fat also went up but hopefully it goes down after week 6.
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Formeron is definitely a great product but those strength gains are just unreal.

Do you care to shed some light to few things... How much your all time personal bests have been in those three lifts? Did you start using something else as well? Have you had an injury in the past and now you are building your way back to where you used to be?

Not saying that it wouldn't be possible but I've never heard of anyone who has been able to add 60lbs and 3 reps to bench press in 4 weeks! Good job!
 
horizons said:
So maybe adding a AI in the test product was a good idea?
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I thought about it but it would really ramp up the price.
Instead Ill let people decide if they want it or not and the can run FOrmeron with it which would be ideal.
The only OTC AI I trust is formestane and it would make the product SUPER expensive. Like 80+$.
This way the guys who parrot "you never really need an AI" can grow titties and learn a lesson :)

JK

Hopefully everyone will run FOrmeron with it :)
 
luckylefty811 said:
Little update with formeron:
End of week 4 today:
Deadlift up from 455 to 500 (4 week span)
Bench up to 375 for reps of 5 (315 for 2 before)
Squat 355 to 405 (atg) no straps or belt. with my belt I can get 455 easily now.

Weight 201 now 211.4 and climbing. Body fat also went up but hopefully it goes down after week 6.
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Nice!!
 
luckylefty811 said:
Little update with formeron:
End of week 4 today:
Deadlift up from 455 to 500 (4 week span)
Bench up to 375 for reps of 5 (315 for 2 before)
Squat 355 to 405 (atg) no straps or belt. with my belt I can get 455 easily now.

Weight 201 now 211.4 and climbing. Body fat also went up but hopefully it goes down after week 6.
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THis is def an abnormally high strength increase but certainly not beyond reason.
Good job bro. Im sure the increases are not just from the Form but a combo of that and diet and hard training.

Again though Ive never felt stronger than on high dose form and test suspension sublinguals.
 
brundel said:
THis is def an abnormally high strength increase but certainly not beyond reason.
Good job bro. Im sure the increases are not just from the Form but a combo of that and diet and hard training.

Again though Ive never felt stronger than on high dose form and test suspension sublinguals.
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Sublingual test ? That sounds pretty cool.
I've only ever seen sublingual 4ad.
 
flightposite said:
Sublingual test ? That sounds pretty cool.
I've only ever seen sublingual 4ad.
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The first sublinguals were scripted. They taste like bubblegum. Amazing stuff. Instant test increase.
I later took the time to learn how to compound sublinguals myself and have made tons of subl supplements for personal use. They work incredibly well but the nature of the product makes them unfit for sales as they are very soft and heat sensitive.

I think in one of my chem compounding threads at ironmag or md i posted detailed step by step recipes.
 
luckylefty811 said:
Little update with formeron: End of week 4 today: Deadlift up from 455 to 500 (4 week span) Bench up to 375 for reps of 5 (315 for 2 before) Squat 355 to 405 (atg) no straps or belt. with my belt I can get 455 easily now. Weight 201 now 211.4 and climbing. Body fat also went up but hopefully it goes down after week 6.
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When I started December 1st I also got back with my coach for nutrition and lifting like when I was powerlifting. I have been able to push my one rep maxes to where they are now but that was when I weighed 220lb. my macros are all laid out for me each day and I have a gym buddy who can help me spot. Most of the time I lift alone but on my power days my coach usually comes with me which probably has helped me get my numbers up. These numbers though are no spot and I am usually by myself at the gym which is a major increase for me. I can confidently lift those numbers with no one around which is a big plus for me. I know ppl can lift a lot more than me but it's huge for me.
 
lips are dry starting week 5, weight up 1.3lbs at 212.8 this morning.
 
Quick question for you guys (thanks by the way for all the great feedback in the past), I've been taking Formeron for a few weeks, and I like it a lot. I've been seeing a doctor that wants to put me on low dose clomid to boost my natural T production. Should I go off Formeron until I see what the Clomid does as far as my E levels, then supplement as necessary? Is it likely that the Clomid will boost my E like crazy?
 
neothecat said:
Quick question for you guys (thanks by the way for all the great feedback in the past), I've been taking Formeron for a few weeks, and I like it a lot. I've been seeing a doctor that wants to put me on low dose clomid to boost my natural T production. Should I go off Formeron until I see what the Clomid does as far as my E levels, then supplement as necessary? Is it likely that the Clomid will boost my E like crazy?
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Clomid binds to certain estrogen receptors and tricks the brain into thinking estrogen is low.
Since in males estrogen is made primarily via conversion from testosterone the LH signal is sent ot the balls to make more testosterone so in turn more estrogen can be made.

Formeron actually lowers estrogen so....Clomid mimics the conditions AIs actually create. This is why I dont understand why everyone thinks you need a SERM and not an AI. It should be the other way around.
At any rate.....if your taking Formeron your test levels are likely going up.

Clomid technically IS an estrogen.

I would run the Formeron at 2 pumps per day then get another blood test. If the Formeron doesnt do the trick then employ clomid.
Formeron will only not work if you dont absorb it well.
Apply to upper chest, neck ,delts. Use your wrists no hands to rub in.
After a shower is a good time.

I know personally a bunch of people whos test levels were 80-300ng/dl and FOrmeron raised all of them to 700+
 
BigGame84 said:
Anybody use Formeron year round? Does not cycling diminish effects?
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I know many people who use it year round as a HRT AI.
Eventually your body will get used to any increase in androgens so..you wont just continue to get stronger.
Just like test or anything else. IF you run a 12 week test cycle strength peaks around week 8 then levels off as the body adjusts.
As an AI it never loses effect.
 
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brundel said:
Formeron actually lowers estrogen so....Clomid mimics the conditions AIs actually create. This is why I dont understand why everyone thinks you need a SERM and not an AI. It should be the other way around.
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A SERM targets the final common pathway. It's not the elevation in estrogen that ramps up GnRH/FSH/LH output, it's the elevation is estrogen receptor stimulation from the elevated estrogen. Cutting off the receptor is the most effective way to achieve this goal.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
A SERM targets the final common pathway. It's not the elevation in estrogen that ramps up GnRH/FSH/LH output, it's the elevation is estrogen receptor stimulation from the elevated estrogen. Cutting off the receptor is the most effective way to achieve this goal.
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Can you translate for me guys ? I'm only using formeron for my pct at 2 pumps per day. Will I be all set ?
 
mr.cooper69 said:
A SERM targets the final common pathway. It's not the elevation in estrogen that ramps up GnRH/FSH/LH output, it's the elevation is estrogen receptor stimulation from the elevated estrogen. Cutting off the receptor is the most effective way to achieve this goal.
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I never said an elevation in estrogen ramps up GNRH,FSH,LH. Its the opposite. A LACK of estrogen causes this because, the brain/body, seeking homeostasis,
will send leutinizing hormone to the balls so more test is made for the purpose of making more estro via aromatase.

It is true that blocking the receptors will do this effectively and pretty much all SERMs do this to some degree as most have a high affinity for the receptors in the brain that regulate this negative feedback loop. Most also have super strong affinities for the receptors in breast tissues which of course is why these drugs are made.

But again...if you just lower estrogen this will also happen. The reason in my opinion the AI choice is better for most is this...

Say you run 500mg test for 10 weeks. Test is high and estro is likely exceptionally high as well....ESPECIALLY with all the guys parroting that there is no need for an AI (thats another conversation entirely).
Anyways...if you employ clomid/tamox torem etc ONLY...it will basically trick the brain into thinking estro is low so test will rise. THe problem here is that upon cessation of treatment with the SERM ESTRO IS STILL HIGH! So....test plummets and a month post PCT your in bad shape again with test low and estro high.
THis condition can persist for years...I have seen personally this happen in several people I know unfortunately including myself.

It was this that started me on the path to create a homebrew AI which became FOrmeron.

I dont at all mind stimulating conversation with you as long as we dont argue about our brands respective products.
Im not stupid enough to believe Im always right though. Nobody is perfect ;)
 
Brundel quick question.. In your opinion which compounds allow testosterone to recover quicker after cycles, AIs or SERMs?
 
Rarchib said:
Brundel quick question.. In your opinion which compounds allow testosterone to recover quicker after cycles, AIs or SERMs?
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Honestly a serm would likely work faster as it acutely blocks specific receptors in the brain, however, once you stop and estro is still high test levels will plummet again making the pct useless.

So....use a serm if you like but not without an ai during pct.
Or just use an ai.

Other compounds can also be used for pct in conjunction with the previously mentioned tools. But thats another topic
 
luckylefty811 said:
Can you translate for me guys ? I'm only using formeron for my pct at 2 pumps per day. Will I be all set ?
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Like brundel already stated. You will be more then fine.
I've been having the best and easiest pct of my life running Formeron. I am fortunate enough to be running the additional serm and tongkats that brundel supplied. But I feel comfortable in saying that the Formeron by its self would have more then sufficed. But the additions of the tongkats and serm product have been taking it to another level.
I almost feel weird and kinda silly by saying that my pct so far is the best part of my cycle. but it's true lol.

I'm less bloated.
I'm more energetic.
My libido is great.
My strength has continued to increase.
And zero emotional sides.

All in all I'm very pleased and looking forward to see what my blood result will be like.
 
flightposite said:
Like brundel already stated. You will be more then fine.
I've been having the best and easiest pct of my life running Formeron. I am fortunate enough to be running the additional serm and tongkats that brundel supplied. But I feel comfortable in saying that the Formeron by its self would have more then sufficed. But the additions of the tongkats and serm product have been taking it to another level.
I almost feel weird and kinda silly by saying that my pct so far is the best part of my cycle. but it's true lol.

I'm less bloated.
I'm more energetic.
My libido is great.
My strength has continued to increase.
And zero emotional sides.

All in all I'm very pleased and looking forward to see what my blood result will be like.
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Nice, love to hear this
 
flightposite said:
Like brundel already stated. You will be more then fine.
I've been having the best and easiest pct of my life running Formeron. I am fortunate enough to be running the additional serm and tongkats that brundel supplied. But I feel comfortable in saying that the Formeron by its self would have more then sufficed. But the additions of the tongkats and serm product have been taking it to another level.
I almost feel weird and kinda silly by saying that my pct so far is the best part of my cycle. but it's true lol.

I'm less bloated.
I'm more energetic.
My libido is great.
My strength has continued to increase.
And zero emotional sides.

All in all I'm very pleased and looking forward to see what my blood result will be like.
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Nice since you ran both Mentabolan & M14ad.
 
flightposite said:
Like brundel already stated. You will be more then fine. I've been having the best and easiest pct of my life running Formeron. I am fortunate enough to be running the additional serm and tongkats that brundel supplied. But I feel comfortable in saying that the Formeron by its self would have more then sufficed. But the additions of the tongkats and serm product have been taking it to another level. I almost feel weird and kinda silly by saying that my pct so far is the best part of my cycle. but it's true lol. I'm less bloated. I'm more energetic. My libido is great. My strength has continued to increase. And zero emotional sides. All in all I'm very pleased and looking forward to see what my blood result will be like.
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Thanks all I bought was formeron lol !
 
brundel said:
I never said an elevation in estrogen ramps up GNRH,FSH,LH. Its the opposite. A LACK of estrogen causes this because, the brain/body, seeking homeostasis,
will send leutinizing hormone to the balls so more test is made for the purpose of making more estro via aromatase.

It is true that blocking the receptors will do this effectively and pretty much all SERMs do this to some degree as most have a high affinity for the receptors in the brain that regulate this negative feedback loop. Most also have super strong affinities for the receptors in breast tissues which of course is why these drugs are made.

But again...if you just lower estrogen this will also happen. The reason in my opinion the AI choice is better for most is this...

Say you run 500mg test for 10 weeks. Test is high and estro is likely exceptionally high as well....ESPECIALLY with all the guys parroting that there is no need for an AI (thats another conversation entirely).
Anyways...if you employ clomid/tamox torem etc ONLY...it will basically trick the brain into thinking estro is low so test will rise. THe problem here is that upon cessation of treatment with the SERM ESTRO IS STILL HIGH! So....test plummets and a month post PCT your in bad shape again with test low and estro high.
THis condition can persist for years...I have seen personally this happen in several people I know unfortunately including myself.

It was this that started me on the path to create a homebrew AI which became FOrmeron.

I dont at all mind stimulating conversation with you as long as we dont argue about our brands respective products.
Im not stupid enough to believe Im always right though. Nobody is perfect ;)
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Sorry, that was a typo on my part, was way too late. I obviously meant "suppresses" instead of "ramps up." If you can cut out the final common pathway, it will be more effective. A similar analogy is H2 blockers that were rapidly replaced with PPIs.

I see the point you're making and it's a valid one. I think maybe starting the AI later into PCT would be wise.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Sorry, that was a typo on my part, was way too late. I obviously meant "suppresses" instead of "ramps up." If you can cut out the final common pathway, it will be more effective. A similar analogy is H2 blockers that were rapidly replaced with PPIs.

I see the point you're making and it's a valid one. I think maybe starting the AI later into PCT would be wise.
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Actually I have a question for you.
I preface this by saying Ive spend long hours looking into this and I have a painful headache from it.

Do you know of anything that will stimulate MC4R that is natural in origin?
Hoodia comes to mind but it seem like there is more harm that good there and seeing as this is for personal use I dont need another cardiac arrest.
Also MT11 and pt141 are likely out of the question because 1. you never really know if your getting the right compound and 2. it appears there is serious risk of HEAVY BP increase.
Any suggestions or leads will be appreciated.
 
flightposite said:
Like brundel already stated. You will be more then fine.
I've been having the best and easiest pct of my life running Formeron. I am fortunate enough to be running the additional serm and tongkats that brundel supplied. But I feel comfortable in saying that the Formeron by its self would have more then sufficed. But the additions of the tongkats and serm product have been taking it to another level.
I almost feel weird and kinda silly by saying that my pct so far is the best part of my cycle. but it's true lol.

I'm less bloated.
I'm more energetic.
My libido is great.
My strength has continued to increase.
And zero emotional sides.

All in all I'm very pleased and looking forward to see what my blood result will be like.
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I like to hear this as well.
The combo is about as solid a PCT as you can get.
Lower estro but also use the SERM to acutely raise LH etc.
Free test skyrockets. DHT rises a bit for libido and strength.
Post PCT test is high and estro is low which is the idea end result.
 
flightposite said:
Like brundel already stated. You will be more then fine. I've been having the best and easiest pct of my life running Formeron. I am fortunate enough to be running the additional serm and tongkats that brundel supplied. But I feel comfortable in saying that the Formeron by its self would have more then sufficed. But the additions of the tongkats and serm product have been taking it to another level. I almost feel weird and kinda silly by saying that my pct so far is the best part of my cycle. but it's true lol. I'm less bloated. I'm more energetic. My libido is great. My strength has continued to increase. And zero emotional sides. All in all I'm very pleased and looking forward to see what my blood result will be like.
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Good to hear it bro!
 
I got my bottle last Monday, March 10th, and have been keeping it to one pump a day. Not using it as PCT or with anything else, just wanted to try it out alone and might add a t-booster later. I am starting to see some positive changes is workout intensity and strength. Onto my questions/concerns.

1: I am pretty sure my pump is pumping out too much. I am not sure the exact size of 1.5 ml and have nothing to measure it with. Would anyone mind posting a pic of a dose on their forearm before rubbing it in?

2: I know it is supposed to help with sexual endurance, but has anyone else gotten near anorgasmia from this?
This is a mix of amazingly awesome and frustrating. Sorry for the following tmi.
I just started having sex with my girlfriend around a week after starting this stuff. Prior it had been around 8 months of not getting any, but so far I literally went for a whole hour without finishing, then later the same day another 30 minutes and nothing. The other times were near 30 minutes without finishing. I am having the same problem with myself, but eventually I can get there using a ridiculous amount of speed. I could just be having some performance anxiety, but since I am having the problem with myself and the timing I am not sure. This also could be because I am accidentally overdosing this stuff if my first concern is true.

Thanks for any help, and sorry if any of these have been answered.
 
with regards to pump size i don't do a full depression of the pump, probably just over halfway as i feel a full pump is way to much and the first bottle i had disappeared very quickly dosing that way.

as for overdosing formeron at 1 pump a day you wont be, everyone is different but 1 pump is a low dose.

as for anorgasmia, yeah i get that sometimes though had never associated it to the formeron but you could have a point, brundel might be able to clear that up a bit with a better explanation.
 
Ok first bottle of formeron has been ordered

My first supplement other then the usual (whey/creatine) so not sure what to expect.

Seeing as I have kids ill stick with inner thigh application on days off work and on work days upper chest as I'm working till late so no contact with kids

Super excited.
 
update week 5 and question afterwards

im up to 217lbs ! holy ish i started at 201. 50mg epi and 4 sprays formeron. im going to back it down to 2 pumps per day. my question is im going to use another bottle for pct of formeron. how long do i have to wait until i go back on it again? im thinking about buying another bottle. it would be a total of 10 weeks using formeron. also any tips to slow the weight gain down the last two weeks of epi ? im really puffy but i dropped 4% bodyfat in 5 weeks which is great.
 
luckylefty811 said:
update week 5 and question afterwards

im up to 217lbs ! holy ish i started at 201. 50mg epi and 4 sprays formeron. im going to back it down to 2 pumps per day. my question is im going to use another bottle for pct of formeron. how long do i have to wait until i go back on it again? im thinking about buying another bottle. it would be a total of 10 weeks using formeron. also any tips to slow the weight gain down the last two weeks of epi ? im really puffy but i dropped 4% bodyfat in 5 weeks which is great.
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i'm on my third consecutive bottle now and i'm pretty sure others have been on for alot longer so you could go straight on. i'm going to have a break after this bottle and look to cut so incinderine if i can get it and a natty test booster. i'll probably wait a month or two before another run of formeron.
as for the epi i would cut back on carbs a bit to reduce weight gain but i also found it leveled out after about 5 weeks.
 
luckylefty811 said:
update week 5 and question afterwardsim up to 217lbs ! holy ish i started at 201. 50mg epi and 4 sprays formeron. im going to back it down to 2 pumps per day. my question is im going to use another bottle for pct of formeron. how long do i have to wait until i go back on it again? im thinking about buying another bottle. it would be a total of 10 weeks using formeron. also any tips to slow the weight gain down the last two weeks of epi ? im really puffy but i dropped 4% bodyfat in 5 weeks which is great.
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Wow up 16lbs! Did you change anything in your diet?
 
Jakethaniel said:
I got my bottle last Monday, March 10th, and have been keeping it to one pump a day. Not using it as PCT or with anything else, just wanted to try it out alone and might add a t-booster later. I am starting to see some positive changes is workout intensity and strength. Onto my questions/concerns.1: I am pretty sure my pump is pumping out too much. I am not sure the exact size of 1.5 ml and have nothing to measure it with. Would anyone mind posting a pic of a dose on their forearm before rubbing it in?2: I know it is supposed to help with sexual endurance, but has anyone else gotten near anorgasmia from this?This is a mix of amazingly awesome and frustrating. Sorry for the following tmi.I just started having sex with my girlfriend around a week after starting this stuff. Prior it had been around 8 months of not getting any, but so far I literally went for a whole hour without finishing, then later the same day another 30 minutes and nothing. The other times were near 30 minutes without finishing. I am having the same problem with myself, but eventually I can get there using a ridiculous amount of speed. I could just be having some performance anxiety, but since I am having the problem with myself and the timing I am not sure. This also could be because I am accidentally overdosing this stuff if my first concern is true.Thanks for any help, and sorry if any of these have been answered.
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You can a oral syringe to measure it. You can pick one up from Walgreens.
 
Jakethaniel said:
I got my bottle last Monday, March 10th, and have been keeping it to one pump a day. Not using it as PCT or with anything else, just wanted to try it out alone and might add a t-booster later. I am starting to see some positive changes is workout intensity and strength. Onto my questions/concerns.

1: I am pretty sure my pump is pumping out too much. I am not sure the exact size of 1.5 ml and have nothing to measure it with. Would anyone mind posting a pic of a dose on their forearm before rubbing it in?

2: I know it is supposed to help with sexual endurance, but has anyone else gotten near anorgasmia from this?
This is a mix of amazingly awesome and frustrating. Sorry for the following tmi.
I just started having sex with my girlfriend around a week after starting this stuff. Prior it had been around 8 months of not getting any, but so far I literally went for a whole hour without finishing, then later the same day another 30 minutes and nothing. The other times were near 30 minutes without finishing. I am having the same problem with myself, but eventually I can get there using a ridiculous amount of speed. I could just be having some performance anxiety, but since I am having the problem with myself and the timing I am not sure. This also could be because I am accidentally overdosing this stuff if my first concern is true.

Thanks for any help, and sorry if any of these have been answered.
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At one pump even if the pump was double dosing youll be fine as it would only be 150mg.
Ive taken 600 for 4 months straight with no negatives.


As for the sexual effects Ive never heard of Formestane or any of its metabolites causing this.
DOesnt sound like a bad thing though.
Show her whos boss ;)

Its better than being a 2 pump chump.
 
heavyweight83 said:
Ok first bottle of formeron has been ordered

My first supplement other then the usual (whey/creatine) so not sure what to expect.

Seeing as I have kids ill stick with inner thigh application on days off work and on work days upper chest as I'm working till late so no contact with kids

Super excited.
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If this is your first experience with anything but protein and creatine your in for a treat ;)
Please let us know how it goes.
 
luckylefty811 said:
update week 5 and question afterwards

im up to 217lbs ! holy ish i started at 201. 50mg epi and 4 sprays formeron. im going to back it down to 2 pumps per day. my question is im going to use another bottle for pct of formeron. how long do i have to wait until i go back on it again? im thinking about buying another bottle. it would be a total of 10 weeks using formeron. also any tips to slow the weight gain down the last two weeks of epi ? im really puffy but i dropped 4% bodyfat in 5 weeks which is great.
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Your really puffy and you gained 17lbs.
Id be willing to gamble an arm that your not taking EPI. Epi is like a methylated version of DHT. You should be dry hard and lean NOT puffy.
And 17lbs is unheard of.

Is this your first cycle of anything? Its possible that the EPI+ hydroxytest is causing this weight increase but both are anti estrogenic and should have you dry as a bone not puffy.

HIGHLY suspect.
Which brand of epi is it?


Ill bet if we send a cap in for testing its not EPI.
 
I know a bunch of guys who use Formeron as their daily AI on HRT. So they have been using it every day for years at low doses.
Never heard of an issue.
My old business partner has been using my transdermal formestane for 5 years every day. Hes in perfect health.

As for the pump volume. The bottle company did send us different pumps.
Ill measure today to make sure your getting 1.5ml.

Someone else also complained the bottle was going fast, however, this is a common complaint.
I guess when the only complaint you have ever heard about a product is it runs out too fast/ you dont have enough of it its a good thing ;)
 
brundel said:
I know a bunch of guys who use Formeron as their daily AI on HRT. So they have been using it every day for years at low doses.
Never heard of an issue.
My old business partner has been using my transdermal formestane for 5 years every day. Hes in perfect health.

As for the pump volume. The bottle company did send us different pumps.
Ill measure today to make sure your getting 1.5ml.

Someone else also complained the bottle was going fast, however, this is a common complaint.
I guess when the only complaint you have ever heard about a product is it runs out too fast/ you dont have enough of it its a good thing ;)
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yeah i noticed the pump is different on the new bottle i got, which has turned out to be a good thing as the other one kept leaking when i put it in my bag (had 2 bottles do this, same pump) so i had to put it in a sealable plastic bag. This new pump doesn't seem to leak.

Brundel i have noticed drying out in my shoulders and to some extent in my arms (not vascular yet though) but my stomach is being really slow to loose, or is that just the way it goes?
 
MikeST said:
yeah i noticed the pump is different on the new bottle i got, which has turned out to be a good thing as the other one kept leaking when i put it in my bag (had 2 bottles do this, same pump) so i had to put it in a sealable plastic bag. This new pump doesn't seem to leak.

Brundel i have noticed drying out in my shoulders and to some extent in my arms (not vascular yet though) but my stomach is being really slow to loose, or is that just the way it goes?
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Probably there is more fat on the stomach than arms and shoulders.
So when you start to dry out youll notice it in areas where there is little bodyfat. FOrmeron isnt gonna reduce fat it will reduce estrogen and in turn water retention so you "dry out". If there is stubborn fat on your stomach diet and cardio are the best ways to attack it.

Drop cals by 500.
Cut out any sugar.
Start 30 min cardio3-4 times a week. After training not before.

The FOrmeron will help but its not a fat burner.
 
thanks, kind of what i thought, just wish cardio was a little more interesting haha. really annoying being away from teh gym for a year and it piled on, age doesnt help either hehe.

might have to switch to 3 days cardio 2 days weights for a while, only get my lunch hour to get down the gym so time is limited, currently doing 3 days weights 2 days cardio.
 
brundel said:
Your really puffy and you gained 17lbs.
Id be willing to gamble an arm that your not taking EPI. Epi is like a methylated version of DHT. You should be dry hard and lean NOT puffy.
And 17lbs is unheard of.

Is this your first cycle of anything? Its possible that the EPI+ hydroxytest is causing this weight increase but both are anti estrogenic and should have you dry as a bone not puffy.

HIGHLY suspect.
Which brand of epi is it?


Ill bet if we send a cap in for testing its not EPI.
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rpn havoc
 
brundel said:
Your really puffy and you gained 17lbs.
Id be willing to gamble an arm that your not taking EPI. Epi is like a methylated version of DHT. You should be dry hard and lean NOT puffy.
And 17lbs is unheard of.

Is this your first cycle of anything? Its possible that the EPI+ hydroxytest is causing this weight increase but both are anti estrogenic and should have you dry as a bone not puffy.

HIGHLY suspect.
Which brand of epi is it?


Ill bet if we send a cap in for testing its not EPI.
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yea its my first cycle, i hope it wasnt a bad batch , but yea ive gained 17lbs in total.
 
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