luckylefty811
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I feel fine quick update in up 5lbs and look leaner. I weigh 208 now.
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luckylefty811 said:
Awesome bro keep it up.
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This is good considering both compounds are anti estrogenic. Epistane was studied for use as a breast cancer med like masteron for example.
Generally these dry you out as does Formeron.
This is why it seems like you gain so much more on wet compounds because you retain so much subcutaneous and intracellular water and glycogen.
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Your PCT just shipped.
8g of the SERM- take 200mg daily.
A bottle of Formeron.
60 caps= a bottle of the tongkat boron.
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brundel said:
Thanks brundel. Really looking forward to this!
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Also...as a note.
The SERM is very...clingy is the only way to describe it. Its like its electro charged or something lol.
Anyways it sticks to anything that touches it so...I recommend using the same scoop and weigh container for the duration.
You only needed 6 g but I believe 2g will cling to everything
Keep us updated please and let us know how things are going.
Im willing to bet this will be the best PCT you have run.
The SERM is very...clingy is the only way to describe it. Its like its electro charged or something lol.
Anyways it sticks to anything that touches it so...I recommend using the same scoop and weigh container for the duration.
You only needed 6 g but I believe 2g will cling to everything
Keep us updated please and let us know how things are going.
Im willing to bet this will be the best PCT you have run.
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Very excited about this!! ^^^
If my blood work turns out as good as I hope. This will be my go to pct from now on. No more serms
If my blood work turns out as good as I hope. This will be my go to pct from now on. No more serms
Driven2lift
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Definitely interested to see how this fairs for PCT compared to a SERM... Is this to be marketed as a replacement?
Would harsher compounds still require the addition of a SERM?
Would harsher compounds still require the addition of a SERM?
koi1214
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Very excited about this!! ^^^
If my blood work turns out as good as I hope. This will be my go to pct from now on. No more serms
Are you going to have before & after blood work?
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koi1214 said:
I will be having blood work done after. I'm not sure if I will bother with before unless brundel feels it would be helpful. I am definitely shutdown after my cycle though I can promise you that.
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koi1214 said:
Thanks brother I really appreciate that.
I ran a six week cycle of M14ad and mentbolan. I've seen good gains. But I am definitely ready to start my pct.
koi1214
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Good luck man!!
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To be fair it is a SERM hes taking. Comparable in action to Nolva.
Plus tongkat/boron and Formeron.
If this doesnt restore HPTA its HRT time cause nothing will.
We have fed the SERM to others as well with very good results. I think youll like this PCT because....
You will likely maintain strength as test will rise quickly and Formeron has some strength effects.
Free test will likely end up well above normal which increases strength and mass.
Plus tongkat/boron and Formeron.
If this doesnt restore HPTA its HRT time cause nothing will.
We have fed the SERM to others as well with very good results. I think youll like this PCT because....
You will likely maintain strength as test will rise quickly and Formeron has some strength effects.
Free test will likely end up well above normal which increases strength and mass.
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Yes. Most likely.
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No. Closer to summer or fall.
Even if we decide to go to production, its expensive to make and it takes a LOOOOOOOOONG time to produce.
We waited months just for a test batch.
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uubiduu said:
^^^This is what I'm excited about. Research companies are hit and miss not to mention they are toxic themselves and clomid gives most people bad emotional effects. To have a reliable trustworthy company like black lion produce something that can be used instead would be awesome!
Btw. Just wanted to let everyone know I've received my pct package from brundel. Starting first thing Monday morning. And I'll keep everyone updated on how Im feeling thru out my pct as well as blood work when I'm finished.
Piston Honda
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Brundel and Black Lion is one of the few supplement companies I trust
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This is the goal yes.
When Black Lion Research started it was because myself and tons of guys I knew were tired of getting bunk, underdosed or OVERDOSED research chems.
So I made an AI, something for prolactin and an acne supp to get things started.
We have done pretty well with it so far and Im proud of how well our products work.
Moving forward I want to expand out line some but I do want to also continue to fill the research chem void.
This means creating a SERM.
I know of cancer patients using this stuff instead of Nolva or clomid.
We took it and made it better. A the right dose its pretty much the same as Nolva except it doesnt carry the same cancer causing risks.
Many people dont realize that clomid and Nolva can CAUSE CANCER. They eat it every cycle like its needed and every internet parrot says you have to have it during PCT. THis of course isnt so. But...since everyone is gonna continue to eat SERMS we need to give them a viable, relatively safe, natural alternative that they can depend on.
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g0hardorgohom
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When you'll publish the write up?
I've been racking my brain doing some research and trying to figure out what the mystery ingredient is but nothing really comes to my mind. I'm curious as hell already, lol!
If the feedback is good, I'll definitely give it a go at some point!
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Once we have enough real world evidence ill start production. At this point ill let people know what it is.
Its been used before but at approx 10x less dosage.
This is how the myth about oral formestane started.
In my experience oral is considerably better but nobody believes it because everyone parrots what they read on the internet.
This belief started because companies selling it sold it in 25 mg doses.....of course it sucked.
Try eating 200.
400is incredible.
At any rate we need to make sure it works in the real world. Using a study or studies is a great starting point but based upon the volume of terrible supps with studies to support them its not anywhere near enough.
Products need to be tested by the manufacturer. Period.
Its been used before but at approx 10x less dosage.
This is how the myth about oral formestane started.
In my experience oral is considerably better but nobody believes it because everyone parrots what they read on the internet.
This belief started because companies selling it sold it in 25 mg doses.....of course it sucked.
Try eating 200.
400is incredible.
At any rate we need to make sure it works in the real world. Using a study or studies is a great starting point but based upon the volume of terrible supps with studies to support them its not anywhere near enough.
Products need to be tested by the manufacturer. Period.
abformulations
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Damn how I missed this.
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Im not saying not to use SERMS.
Im saying that repeated use is unhealthy and potentially dangerous. Guys running several cycles with PCT per year are then on a SERM 3 months or 25% of the year. This is alot.
If your a cancer patient and youll die without treatment taking a carcinogenic drug is indicated.
If your a recreational bodybuilder or just a rec lifter who runs cycles its not wise to take risks with your health.
I guarantee 90% of this forum will disagree with me but an AI alone is enough for PCT especially for mild cycles of PHs.
If , however, you were running an heavy AAS cycle like:
1000-2000 test weekly
+ 1000 EQ
+ 500 Tren
+ anadrol 50mg-100mg
+ etc etc
then your recovery will be considerably harder and thus HCG and a SERM should be employed.
HCG+ an AI for the 3 weeks when your AAS are clearing waiting to start PCT.
Then AI+ SERM for PCT.
If you were running EPI.
Halodrol
or a host of the weak DS/PH or even some of the stronger DS like methylsten or SD an AI is fine.
You have only been suppressed for 4 weeks or so....the potential for an AI to raise test levels is enough here and is much safer.
Ultimately guys are gonna keep running SERMS. They do have their place. Im just saying all the guys saying "you have to run a SERM for PCT"...
They are wrong.
Again we are making a SERM.
Ours is non carcinogenic though and will be safer for guys to take several times a year.
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Endometrial cancers of stage III and IV occurred more frequently in long-term tamoxifen users (> or = 2 years) than in non-users (17.4% vs 5.4%, p=0.006). Long-term users were more likely than non-users to have had malignant mixed mesodermal tumours or sarcomas of the endometrium (15.4% vs 2.9%, p < or = 0.02), p53-positive tumours (31.4% vs 18.2%, p=0.05), and negative oestrogen-receptor concentrations (60.8% vs 26.2%, p < or = 0.001). 3-year endometrial-cancer-specific survival was significantly worse for long-term tamoxifen users than for non-users (76% for > or = 5 years, 85% for 2-5 years vs 94% for non-users, p=0.02).
INTERPRETATION:
Long-term tamoxifen users have a worse prognosis of endometrial cancers, which seems to be due to less favourable histology and higher stage. However, the benefit of tamoxifen on breast-cancer survival far outweighs the increased mortality from endometrial cancer. Nevertheless, we seriously question widespread use of tamoxifen as a preventive agent against breast cancer in healthy women.
Again tamoxifen should be used as a last resort for those who will die otherwise.
NOT as a go to for PCT.
INTERPRETATION:
Long-term tamoxifen users have a worse prognosis of endometrial cancers, which seems to be due to less favourable histology and higher stage. However, the benefit of tamoxifen on breast-cancer survival far outweighs the increased mortality from endometrial cancer. Nevertheless, we seriously question widespread use of tamoxifen as a preventive agent against breast cancer in healthy women.
Again tamoxifen should be used as a last resort for those who will die otherwise.
NOT as a go to for PCT.
abformulations
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Lol damn ^^
brundel
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Again.....go put on your dunce cap and sit in the corner.
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koi1214
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Agree!!
brundel
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I agree. There is also no point to him posting here at all.
Literally everything hes said so far...I mean everything has been false.
If I allow him to state lies as facts it is like Im agreeing with them.
Im not gonna let some chump run his mouth here.
So Ill continue to slap him till he leaves.
Literally everything hes said so far...I mean everything has been false.
If I allow him to state lies as facts it is like Im agreeing with them.
Im not gonna let some chump run his mouth here.
So Ill continue to slap him till he leaves.
punjabimunde
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Formeron is the best stuff I ever used!!!!
mw1
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Im not talking trash...everything I have said has been the truth
mw1
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When a company spreads bs I will post...just like when he claimed formestane will increase test by 700%.. It is a great product but it won't increase test that much
brundel
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Here is a list of your posts
-Don't listen to his propaganda BS . My words are not BS. FALSE
-You aren't very bright if you think a "fact " you post is any different than a "claim". ...idiots like you is why the industry needs regulation. Im highly educated in fact ....in addition I also posted the definitions of both claim and fact for you as clearly you dont understand what they mean.
And...we are one of the good guys in this industry. Saying we are the ones who need regulation is stupid at best. FALSE
-It obvious you are clueless on fda regulations as not one of your products are compliant.
I know the regulations well actually. FALSE
I just posted one. FALSE
-Im not talking trash...everything I have said has been the truth
Obviously this is also a lie. FALSE
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Do you think that is all it takes to be compliant? Is it manufactured in a GMP facilty? And surely you have some post production testing you could post up...that is another requirement if you didn't know