FORMERON FAQ

[brundel]

I could but there are a few things to consider there.
1. We havnt extensively tested the combo. I wont release something we dont know for sure works exceptionally well. Some companies will look at an abstract from an obscure poorly done study using pitri dishes and from that determine the viability of an ingredient. We dont roll that way. Extensive testing preferably publicly is what I want.

2. Price. It will cost more than double to produce. This does two things. 1 costs more on the consumer end and 2 I make less because I wont rape you on price. This is why we are discontinuing our fat burner.
I only make a few dollars a bottle ...literally.
Using high grade ingredients at viable doses is expensive. Upside...you can use our fat burner for a contest prep. I can show you pictures of guys who have. Downside its not profitable because some companies sell caffeine pills with prop blends. The other ingredients are in there but at trace amounts. Or...the products are spiked with amphetamines or analogues. The good guys cant compete price wise.
Ultimately its the consumer who loses out because good products become too expensive to produce in the market pricerange.

3. Timeframe. It took 2 months approx to get half a kg of the serm. I believe the process has improved recently and it may not take as long but you will certsinly wait a lot longer.


Oh also Ive come across a new ingredient I might include in the test booster. If it works...this is gonna be the best product on the market in its class.
Hands down.

 

[koi1214]

Oh also Ive come across a new ingredient I might include in the test booster. If it works...this is gonna be the best product on the market in its class.
Hands down.

Sounds great!

 

[Mission1]

Brundel the more you right the more I like . I can see you speak the truth and from the heart. Looking forward to purchasing more of your products.

 

[brundel]

Sounds great!

Im investigating it currently and already have a source.
Its a non suppressive anabolic substance.

So think about having a product that increases total test to top end normal or just above (this is the most your gonna get realistically from a test booster)
but you get free test WAY above normal range. This means your in a highly favorable anabolic state.
Couple this with a non suppressive anabolic compound...

It could be used for PCT
On cycle to keep test levels up
or solo as I expect it will be considerably anabolic by itself.

Its pretty expensive stuff but at the needed dose it could easily take the place of the SERM and keep the price reasonable.

 

[brundel]

Brundel the more you right the more I like . I can see you speak the truth and from the heart. Looking forward to purchasing more of your products.

Thanks bro
We are working hard on the next generation.

 

[stankyleg]

Im super glad to hear it. Im working hard to get this stuff out to you guys. Probably create labels tonight. This means I have to decide on: mg per cap. I only have 500mg approx caps. filler if any. I like to use compounds that compliment instead of garbage fillers. Caps per bottle. Im thinking: 60x 250mg caps

You should name it "diamond cutter"

 

[Mission1]

Funny thing is B that most people will pay more money for better quality and better results. It a no brainer for you. Tell them you are giving the best extracts at the best price and these are the reasons why. Most good extracts work within days in my opinion. I sell more expensive items.

 

[koi1214]

Brundel the more you right the more I like . I can see you speak the truth and from the heart. Looking forward to purchasing more of your products.

Funny thing is B that most people will pay more money for better quality and better results. It a no brainer for you. Tell them you are giving the best extracts at the best price and these are the reasons why. Most good extracts work within days in my opinion. I sell more expensive items.

I could not agree more with you.It is good to see a company that is being honest and not over hyping/marketing their products.The fact that the Tongkat extract is of good quality & works is a no brainer. All of BLR products are high quality. IMO.

 

[horizons]

I think its legal in AU but the pack I sent to a tester there never arrived.
We have a retailer in AU so once we get things moving Ill talk to him about carrying the product thus making it available to you guys over there.

Hmmm that sucks.

I'll be keen on capped labelled bottle though

 

[blingblingish]

Sorry for a seemingly obvious question, but why not use oral Rx exemestane?

 

[Piston Honda]

Sorry for a seemingly obvious question, but why not use oral Rx exemestane?

Probably has to do with the Rx and whether people want one or can get one

 

[brundel]

Sorry for a seemingly obvious question, but why not use oral Rx exemestane?

the RX.

If you have a prescription for Exemestane...have at it. 99% of the population does not so....they then would go to a research chem site.
These sites are the worst.
Just to start they are misleading. It says right on the bottle not to eat but the whole point is to eat it. There is no recourse should something go wrong because well you were not supposed to eat it.
I know personally a few of these guys (sorry guys you knew Id do this)..Its just some guy in his garage with a filthy table, no gloves and probably didnt wash his hands after he crapped last. They dont know the difference between exemestane powder and arsenic.
If they got the wrong thing they dont know because there is no testing or regulation. THey just put it into bottles and label it whatever the Chinese supplier said it was. Ive been dealing with Chinese supplers for a decade. 2 times out of 10 if not more you get **** product or not even the right chem.
We know because we test the raws we use. Research chem sites do not ever.
Once I got 200mcg clenbuterol labeled as nolva. I ate what I thought was 20mg tamoxifen and had to go to the hospital as it was 200mcg clen.
Sometimes the bottles have no active ingredient at all. Sometimes its seriously overdosed. Sometimes its underdosed. Often its the wrong drug altogether.

So you can take:
get a prescription
take your chance with a RC chem
Buy well tested well regulated product from a solid company with a strong reputation that actually cares if something bad happens to you.


Your call.

 

[brundel]

OK so for you guys reading this.
I will likely ask in public forums as well.

If I can deliver a product that is thus far unused in the industry _so we have to test it.
It SHOULD -
increase muscle mass
lower bodyfat
increase strength.

It costs roughly 60% more per bottle than Formeron to make for a 30 day supply so..30 days would likely cost 50-55$

It looks very promising. We would run testing on several guys, publicly on the forums.

Would you pay 55$ for 30 days supply?

 

[raiderdude]

if it worked, yes.

 

[koi1214]

Yes!

 

[raiderdude]

These 3 things:

increase muscle mass
lower bodyfat
increase strength.

Are desirable by almost everyone. So if it works for less than $2 a day, you can't really complain about the price.

 

[brundel]

The research is relatively strong.
This stuff is expensive so Id have to spend alot of money just to test it.

Im willing to spend the money on trials if I can get enough people on board.
Im seeing if I can get a small test batch. Otherwise its gonna cost several thousand just for the raws to test.

Im...75% sure it will work. There have already been animal and human tests run and it worked well in both.
Some VERY interesting effects including artheriogenesis. This means you grow new veins so...if anything will make you more vascular something like this will.
This also increases blood flow and nutrient delivery.
Muscle mass markers increased
and strength increased by about 10% in a week.

 

[brundel]

These 3 things:



Are desirable by almost everyone. So if it works for less than $2 a day, you can't really complain about the price.

This is my thought as well.
Im excited about its potential I just want to see if ALOT of people will also be. I cant imagine too many people would not buy it if it works.

Im gonna try to get a test batch so we can run some trials.

 

[raiderdude]

sounds good.

I''m running formeron right now as a stand alone (im cutting) using 4pumps/day, I've noticed some little sparkles left after apply the form. It has probably been mentioned in this 61 page thread somewhere but I missed it. Is this Form that did not get absorbed?

 

[Rarchib]

sounds good.

I''m running formeron right now as a stand alone (im cutting) using 4pumps/day, I've noticed some little sparkles left after apply the form. It has probably been mentioned in this 61 page thread somewhere but I missed it. Is this Form that did not get absorbed?

Yeah. Wait 10-15 minutes after first application and use a sanitizer with aloe and Vit E to help the left over crystals absorb through

 

[brundel]

sounds good.

I''m running formeron right now as a stand alone (im cutting) using 4pumps/day, I've noticed some little sparkles left after apply the form. It has probably been mentioned in this 61 page thread somewhere but I missed it. Is this Form that did not get absorbed?

Yes. Its normal and yes its formestane that wasnt absorbed. Keep in mind most transdermals dont get more than 10% ish. Androgel for example expects 10%.
So since there is such a high mg per ml you notice what doesnt penetrate. The percent that goes through is actually in solution so the suspension part remains.

You can apply some alcohol based hand sanitizer about 10 min after application. This will force a few more % though. Not much but when we are talking about 10% total another 2-3% IS 30% more.
Also make sure to spread the applications out over as much skin as possible. and apply more than
After a shower is best.

 

[Piston Honda]

OK so for you guys reading this.
I will likely ask in public forums as well.

If I can deliver a product that is thus far unused in the industry _so we have to test it.
It SHOULD -
increase muscle mass
lower bodyfat
increase strength.

It costs roughly 60% more per bottle than Formeron to make for a 30 day supply so..30 days would likely cost 50-55$

It looks very promising. We would run testing on several guys, publicly on the forums.

Would you pay 55$ for 30 days supply?

Yes because then I would be able to save some $$$ on junk that doesn't work as well in comparison

 

[raiderdude]

Yes. Its normal and yes its formestane that wasnt absorbed. Keep in mind most transdermals dont get more than 10% ish. Androgel for example expects 10%.
So since there is such a high mg per ml you notice what doesnt penetrate. The percent that goes through is actually in solution so the suspension part remains.

You can apply some alcohol based hand sanitizer about 10 min after application. This will force a few more % though. Not much but when we are talking about 10% total another 2-3% IS 30% more.
Also make sure to spread the applications out over as much skin as possible. and apply more than
After a shower is best.

Yea its no big deal, I was just wondering if that is what is is. I will try the hand sanitizer. I have been using it after a shower and trying to apply the application over as much area as possible.

 

[BigGame84]

$55 for a 30 day supply? If it works, of course.

 

[brundel]

Yes because then I would be able to save some $$$ on junk that doesn't work as well in comparison

Likely we will run public test here without disclosing the primary ingredient.
This way we dont get any early season copy cats or clones.
But everyone will be able to see the testing being done and the results. If it works..everyone will know...if it doesnt well...then I paid a ton of money for everyone to know it doesnt

But..Im pretty confident or I wouldnt run trials.

 

[brundel]

Im trying to obtain a small test batch.
This stuff gets me so excited. I love the research and dev part of my job the most

 

[raiderdude]

well, I love **** that works so you got my interest for sure.

 

[blingblingish]

the RX.

If you have a prescription for Exemestane...have at it. 99% of the population does not so....they then would go to a research chem site.
These sites are the worst.
Just to start they are misleading. It says right on the bottle not to eat but the whole point is to eat it. There is no recourse should something go wrong because well you were not supposed to eat it.
I know personally a few of these guys (sorry guys you knew Id do this)..Its just some guy in his garage with a filthy table, no gloves and probably didnt wash his hands after he crapped last. They dont know the difference between exemestane powder and arsenic.
If they got the wrong thing they dont know because there is no testing or regulation. THey just put it into bottles and label it whatever the Chinese supplier said it was. Ive been dealing with Chinese supplers for a decade. 2 times out of 10 if not more you get **** product or not even the right chem.
We know because we test the raws we use. Research chem sites do not ever.
Once I got 200mcg clenbuterol labeled as nolva. I ate what I thought was 20mg tamoxifen and had to go to the hospital as it was 200mcg clen.
Sometimes the bottles have no active ingredient at all. Sometimes its seriously overdosed. Sometimes its underdosed. Often its the wrong drug altogether.

So you can take:
get a prescription
take your chance with a RC chem
Buy well tested well regulated product from a solid company with a strong reputation that actually cares if something bad happens to you.


Your call.

Thanks so much. On the basis of this thread alone you seem to be passionate and knowledgeable, and the hype has me really jazzed about trying your product in a couple of days. More than anything, I'm just paranoid because I know what happens to standout products, so it's somewhat relieving to have a legitimate option. With that in mind, what would you say an equivalent dose of exemestane would be per pump?

 

[brundel]

Its hard to draw a direct line between exemestane and formestane expecially with transdermal application because there are so many variables.

I would say approx 2 pumps per 12mg exem.

 

[stankyleg]

I'd definitely spend that kind of coin on a product like that. ESP if I could run it during pct and off cycle. Damn right.

 

[brundel]

I'd definitely spend that kind of coin on a product like that. ESP if I could run it during pct and off cycle. Damn right.

Ive ordered enough for a test study with 10 people.
Well use forum members.
Blind. So some will get the active some will get vitamin B or something.
Ill have everyone weigh 3x daily with weekly strength testing on all the major lifts.
Its not at all suppressive so...if this stuff works like we think it will its gonna be a big deal.

 

[onthemove]

Brundel, Dam I like the crystals, but they are unabsorbed formeron? **** so I really wanna spread this out as much as possible. Do you put it on your legs at all? I wish I had the flexibility to put it all over my back. What about abs? Im going to 3 pumps a day so that would seem to be hard to spread out that much gel. Do you reccomend doin 2 applications per day (1.5 pumps per application)?

Also Im picking up some tongkat tomorrow to go along with it, never tried that stuff before

Ill tell you though I have been runnin about 2 pumps a day for 2 weeks and definitely see a visible leaning effect

 

[flightposite]

Ive ordered enough for a test study with 10 people.
Well use forum members.
Blind. So some will get the active some will get vitamin B or something.
Ill have everyone weigh 3x daily with weekly strength testing on all the major lifts.
Its not at all suppressive so...if this stuff works like we think it will its gonna be a big deal.

Sounds like some good ish. Might help me with my max squat days lol.

 

[brundel]

Brundel, Dam I like the crystals, but they are unabsorbed formeron? **** so I really wanna spread this out as much as possible. Do you put it on your legs at all? I wish I had the flexibility to put it all over my back. What about abs? Im going to 3 pumps a day so that would seem to be hard to spread out that much gel. Do you reccomend doin 2 applications per day (1.5 pumps per application)?

Also Im picking up some tongkat tomorrow to go along with it, never tried that stuff before

Ill tell you though I have been runnin about 2 pumps a day for 2 weeks and definitely see a visible leaning effect

Dont trip on the remaining crystals. This happens 100% of the time.
PLENTY gets through.

First thing most people notice is visible leaning, drying and hardening. Higher doses you see some pretty impressive strength.
I dont know the exact dose as I had a big jar of the stuff and was rubbing it on like a freak but the strongest I have ever been was on sublingual testosterone base and super high dose Formeron. At lower doses it may not be very noticeable as you also lose a little when you lose water weight.

 

[brundel]

Sounds like some good ish. Might help me with my max squat days lol.

We will make everyone perform something like a 10 rep max set for squat, BP, deads and chart the weight.
Im not gonna lie. Im excited to see what happens.

 

[brundel]

Also...its no new news to those who know me that I get easily side tracked.
Im still working on the other products we discussed.

I may just add boron to the tongkat and call it a day.
All the benefits of the high grade tongkat plus a serious increase (600% in me) in free test.

 

[onthemove]

Also...its no new news to those who know me that I get easily side tracked.
Im still working on the other products we discussed.

I may just add boron to the tongkat and call it a day.
All the benefits of the high grade tongkat plus a serious increase (600% in me) in free test.

How many mg Boron?

 

[JD261985]

OK so for you guys reading this. I will likely ask in public forums as well. If I can deliver a product that is thus far unused in the industry _so we have to test it. It SHOULD - increase muscle mass lower bodyfat increase strength. It costs roughly 60% more per bottle than Formeron to make for a 30 day supply so..30 days would likely cost 50-55$ It looks very promising. We would run testing on several guys, publicly on the forums. Would you pay 55$ for 30 days supply?

This and something that could be used in PCT to replace a RC SERM would be nice. BTW not sure what's going on but last night it took me forever to find formeron that was in stock. I went through roughly 8 websites before finding it in stock.

 

[ahh123]

Also...its no new news to those who know me that I get easily side tracked.
Im still working on the other products we discussed.

I may just add boron to the tongkat and call it a day.
All the benefits of the high grade tongkat plus a serious increase (600% in me) in free test.

I'd agree - with so many new products you want to release better not complicate if other also confirm great effect of tongkat and boron.

Trying to add in SERM might not be for everyone plus to those not staking it with an AI would just cause lots of estrogen in their bodies - once they stop taking SERM containing tongkat product.

You already have tongkat and boron supply - just put them together with some bioperine and put it on US and UK market and we'll be happy hehe.

Or add some nice promo price for stack with Formeron and this will be flying off of shelves of your distributors.

 

[bswanny]

OK so for you guys reading this.
I will likely ask in public forums as well.

If I can deliver a product that is thus far unused in the industry _so we have to test it.
It SHOULD -
increase muscle mass
lower bodyfat
increase strength.

It costs roughly 60% more per bottle than Formeron to make for a 30 day supply so..30 days would likely cost 50-55$

It looks very promising. We would run testing on several guys, publicly on the forums.

Would you pay 55$ for 30 days supply?

Will this product be effective for those on trt?

 

[koi1214]

Also...its no new news to those who know me that I get easily side tracked.
Im still working on the other products we discussed.

I may just add boron to the tongkat and call it a day.
All the benefits of the high grade tongkat plus a serious increase (600% in me) in free test.

Now time to cap & label them!

 

[brundel]

This and something that could be used in PCT to replace a RC SERM would be nice. BTW not sure what's going on but last night it took me forever to find formeron that was in stock. I went through roughly 8 websites before finding it in stock.

We are working to fix this.
Check with these guys or drop me a PM and I can directly link you.

Might want to start with nutraplanet
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[brundel]

Will this product be effective for those on trt?

YES! Im super excited about this stuff. Nobody is using it and the research is pretty promising.
Probably nobody is using it because its very expensive. I think you guys would be willing to pay for something incredible.
No suppression.
Can be used on cycle
PCT
solo
whatever. On TRT.
the perfect storm

 

[brundel]

Now time to cap & label them!

Im 99% gonna do this:


Tongkat + boron- bioperine and maybe some other absorption enhancement

SERM solo with some bioperine and maybe some other absorption enhancement

Run the tests on this new compound. Im gonna make it public so EVERYONE can see what happens. If its a bust....Oh well at least you know 2 things.
1. we really test our stuff before we release it.
2. If it fails we eat the loss and dont sell it to you guys. Period.

 

[brundel]

Now.....Who wants to test drive the SERM?
Its natural. But we have....altered it so its not in its natural state. Is eaten daily in many peoples diets.
Has been shown to work similar to Tamoxifen at the right dose. Same receptor binding affinities. Similar cancer prevention profile.
Similar potential to block estro and raise test and most likely also combat estro driven gyno.

 

[koi1214]

Now.....Who wants to test drive the SERM?
Its natural. But we have....altered it so its not in its natural state. Is eaten daily in many peoples diets.
Has been shown to work similar to Tamoxifen at the right dose. Same receptor binding affinities. Similar cancer prevention profile.
Similar potential to block estro and raise test and most likely also combat estro driven gyno.

Is the new product the SERM?

 

[brundel]

No.
The serm has actually already been well tested. Its also already publicly used by cancer patients. We know it works for sure. 100% certain.

Id just like to have some people eat it and see if they have anything to report. For example high doses can cause nausea. We improved bioavailability significantly so the doses required at approx 5 times less so we dont expect any issues and thus far nothing negative has been reported.

I habe a friend whos total test levels have been in the 300s for most of his life. Never used steroids or any drugs. Its natural. I requested he get extensive bloodwork done amd as expected his estro was abnormally high which causes the hypogonadism.

We administered the serm + formeron for two months. His test levels rose into the 700s and remain there a year post. Pretty impressive.

 

[ahh123]

No.
The serm has actually already been well tested. Its also already publicly used by cancer patients. We know it works for sure. 100% certain.

Id just like to have some people eat it and see if they have anything to report. For example high doses can cause nausea. We improved bioavailability significantly so the doses required at approx 5 times less so we dont expect any issues and thus far nothing negative has been reported.

I habe a friend whos total test levels have been in the 300s for most of his life. Never used steroids or any drugs. Its natural. I requested he get extensive bloodwork done amd as expected his estro was abnormally high which causes the hypogonadism.

We administered the serm + formeron for two months. His test levels rose into the 700s and remain there a year post. Pretty impressive.

When do you think your tongkat-boron-bioperine product will be available at nutraplanet?

Probably not this month but by end of the March 2014 could it be?

Or you make small batch first and offer it on BLR website almost exclusively for members of this forum?

 

[bswanny]

I'm sure this was already discussed but how do you get out the last remains in the Formeron bottle? I usually just pop off the dispenser and pound it on my forearm until the remains came out but was wondering if there is a more accurate/better way?

 

[onthemove]

Will bioprene cpas help absorption? I have never taken them alone only had black pepper extraxt in other supps,

Im thinking of doing a formeron/tongkat/boron run with bioprene for absorption.....