FORMERON 2024

raji1980 said:
Would this be a good replacement for a natural test booster? Or would it better to take with it because of the possibility of pct? Just one more question. Out of all your products which one would you recommend taking alongside Incinderine for maximum fat loss? I'm trying to choose one other. Cardio 5 days a week and lifting 3.
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It will absolutely increase testosterone but its because there is a good dose of DHEA and an AI in the mix. ONce this is done your levels will drop again. I will say that I havnt heard any complaints from 5 testers. Nobody complaining of low t symptoms after cycle.

Letrone, Full steam a shred stack, Formeron. I just dont know how dry formeron will be because there is alot of stuff in the mix. Will need some more anecdotal data before recommending for specific purposes. I dont see any reason why it wouldnt be fantastic for this though. The AI should be high enough to prevent any conversion to estrogen, or, at least most of it.
 
thescience said:
If this list is accurate, excepting the benzo, im breathing a sigh of relief not seeing any estrogen agonism going on in there
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Honestly, estrogen receptor agonists are going to be the next big thing.
And Ecdysteroids are estrogen agonists. Or, at least they elicit much of their action via the estrogen receptor.
I think alot of what we believed about estrogen is incorrect. Back in the day everyone thought estro was pure evil, to be eliminated at all costs. The truth is estrogen is extremely healthy in normal amounts and its really unhealthy to not have enough.
SERMS like Tamoxifen and clomid and enclomephene are agonist/antagonists and we have been using these for decades to for PCT, gyno and sexual function.
There are some new estrogen receptor agonists that look very promising.

Some of them are powerful exercise mimetics, anabolics and fat burners. From experience I can say that they work really well even at MCG doses.

In fact......I wouldnt be surprised if you saw one of them VERY soon ;)
Like right after Formeron.
 
brundel said:
Honestly, estrogen receptor agonists are going to be the next big thing.
And Ecdysteroids are estrogen agonists. Or, at least they elicit much of their action via the estrogen receptor.
I think alot of what we believed about estrogen is incorrect. Back in the day everyone thought estro was pure evil, to be eliminated at all costs. The truth is estrogen is extremely healthy in normal amounts and its really unhealthy to not have enough.
SERMS like Tamoxifen and clomid and enclomephene are agonist/antagonists and we have been using these for decades to for PCT, gyno and sexual function.
There are some new estrogen receptor agonists that look very promising.

Some of them are powerful exercise mimetics, anabolics and fat burners. From experience I can say that they work really well even at MCG doses.

In fact......I wouldnt be surprised if you saw one of them VERY soon ;)
Like right after Formeron.
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ahhh it looks like estrogen agonism does cover a broad range of products. I was thinking something was going to be added to this to spike estrogen receptor sensitivity in order to enhance use of the ingredients affecting the ER. guess my imagination was getting carried away with all the mystery surrounding Foremeron. yeah anything that interacts with the ER and is anabolic has got to be an A+ in everyone's book.

does the estrogen inducing ingredient in clomid help things along? i thought that was a great way to boost endogonous test, until i tried it and started sharing all of my feelings with my girlfriend. no such issues with encyclo, but no noticable benefit either, though i cant say if either boosted my test or not. i get the whole testosterone signaling benefit aspect, but in the case with clomid it was still a can of worms
 
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thescience said:
ahhh it looks like estrogen agonism does cover a broad range of products. I was thinking something was going to be added to this to spike estrogen receptor sensitivity in order to enhance use of the ingredients affecting the ER. guess my imagination was getting carried away with all the mystery surrounding Foremeron. yeah anything that interacts with the ER and is anabolic has got to be an A+ in everyone's book.

does the estrogen inducing ingredient in clomid help things along? i thought that was a great way to boost endogonous test, until i tried it and started sharing all of my feelings with my girlfriend. no such issues with encyclo, but no noticable benefit either, though i cant say if either boosted my test or not. i get the whole testosterone signaling benefit aspect, but in the case with clomid it was still a can of worms
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Clomid sucks eggs man.
 
thescience said:
ahhh it looks like estrogen agonism does cover a broad range of products. I was thinking something was going to be added to this to spike estrogen receptor sensitivity in order to enhance use of the ingredients affecting the ER. guess my imagination was getting carried away with all the mystery surrounding Foremeron. yeah anything that interacts with the ER and is anabolic has got to be an A+ in everyone's book.

does the estrogen inducing ingredient in clomid help things along? i thought that was a great way to boost endogonous test, until i tried it and started sharing all of my feelings with my girlfriend. no such issues with encyclo, but no noticable benefit either, though i cant say if either boosted my test or not. i get the whole testosterone signaling benefit aspect, but in the case with clomid it was still a can of worms
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I know that ecdysteroids dont seem to have any estrogenic side effects but not enough is really known about them.

" In male rats, Ecdy treatment increased muscle fiber size, serum IGF-1 increased, and corticosteron and 17β-estradiol (E2) decreased. In differentiated C2C12 myoblastoma cells, treatment with Ecdy, dihydrotestosterone, IGF-1 but also E2 results in hypertrophy. Hypertrophy induced by E2 and Ecdy could be antagonized with an antiestrogen but not by an antiandrogen. In HEK293 cells transfected with ER alpha (ERα) or ERβ, Ecdy treatment transactivated a reporter gene. To elucidate the role of ERβ in Ecdy-mediated muscle hypertrophy, C2C12 myotubes were treated with ERα (ALPHA) and ERβ (BETA) selective ligands. Ecdy and BETA treatment but not ALPHA induced hypertrophy. The effect of Ecdy, E2, and BETA could be antagonized by an ERβ-selective antagonist (ANTIBETA). In summary, our results indicate that ERβ is involved in the mediation of the anabolic activity of the Ecdy."
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Estrogen receptor beta is involved in skeletal muscle hypertrophy induced by the phytoecdysteroid ecdysterone - PubMed

These findings provide new therapeutic perspectives for the treatment of muscle injuries, sarcopenia, and cachectic disease, but also imply that such a substance could be abused for doping purposes.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This also tells us that something like clomid would block the action of ecdysteroids as they need to bind to the ERβ receptor.. I dont know what effects ecdysteroids have on testosterone but its possible that they, like other SERMS, increase testosterone.

By the way I absolutely hated clomid when I used it. Felt like killing myself and had vision issues. Not a fan personally.
 
WickedWarlock said:
What’s funny is clomid I do absolutely fine on. If anything enclo has more side effects for me especially with libido
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I always had no libido on Clomid and extremely sad/moody. I remember crying multiple times on Clomid PCTs; never had that when I switched to Tamoxifen later on. Also had better libido.

Not much use having in range testosterone, when I basically still had all the symptoms of low testosterone from the Clomid! Besides better muscle retention of course, but it was not for me. I also hear a lot of people with similar, so I always advise Tamoxifen now.
 
brundel said:
I know that ecdysteroids dont seem to have any estrogenic side effects but not enough is really known about them.

" In male rats, Ecdy treatment increased muscle fiber size, serum IGF-1 increased, and corticosteron and 17β-estradiol (E2) decreased. In differentiated C2C12 myoblastoma cells, treatment with Ecdy, dihydrotestosterone, IGF-1 but also E2 results in hypertrophy. Hypertrophy induced by E2 and Ecdy could be antagonized with an antiestrogen but not by an antiandrogen. In HEK293 cells transfected with ER alpha (ERα) or ERβ, Ecdy treatment transactivated a reporter gene. To elucidate the role of ERβ in Ecdy-mediated muscle hypertrophy, C2C12 myotubes were treated with ERα (ALPHA) and ERβ (BETA) selective ligands. Ecdy and BETA treatment but not ALPHA induced hypertrophy. The effect of Ecdy, E2, and BETA could be antagonized by an ERβ-selective antagonist (ANTIBETA). In summary, our results indicate that ERβ is involved in the mediation of the anabolic activity of the Ecdy."
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Estrogen receptor beta is involved in skeletal muscle hypertrophy induced by the phytoecdysteroid ecdysterone - PubMed

These findings provide new therapeutic perspectives for the treatment of muscle injuries, sarcopenia, and cachectic disease, but also imply that such a substance could be abused for doping purposes.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This also tells us that something like clomid would block the action of ecdysteroids as they need to bind to the ERβ receptor.. I dont know what effects ecdysteroids have on testosterone but its possible that they, like other SERMS, increase testosterone.

By the way I absolutely hated clomid when I used it. Felt like killing myself and had vision issues. Not a fan personally.
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So it is possible that if beta ecdy is occupying the estrogen receptor the way clomid does, then any test increase is totally endogenic. Sounds like a phenomenal year-round standalone to me
 
thescience said:
So it is possible that if beta ecdy is occupying the estrogen receptor the way clomid does, then any test increase is totally endogenic. Sounds like a phenomenal year-round standalone to me
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I know for certain that the ecdysteroids bind to the estro receptors. I dont know the affinity offhand compared to other estrogens and I dont know if itll wind up increasing test levels. None the less we do have a good dose of DHEA in there to kick up test and the other DHEA metabolites.
 
brundel said:
I know for certain that the ecdysteroids bind to the estro receptors. I dont know the affinity offhand compared to other estrogens and I dont know if itll wind up increasing test levels. None the less we do have a good dose of DHEA in there to kick up test and the other DHEA metabolites.
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ive experimented with 3g/day beta-ecdysterone and had whole-body muscle hardness from it. way better than turk at that range. I can only imagine what transdermal would be like. huge innovation
 
yotohiroto said:
which ecdy do you take? 3g/day that's a lot of pills right?
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six pills yeah. oral absorption has to be abysmal, especially for me, but there were some guys on that protocal claiming they had blown up like lung fish; they also reported massive strength gains.
 
thescience said:
ive experimented with 3g/day beta-ecdysterone and had whole-body muscle hardness from it. way better than turk at that range. I can only imagine what transdermal would be like. huge innovation
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Yah the difference in bioavailability is amazing. So many of the ECDY products out there are underdosed and or completely fake. Turk products are definitely fake.
Transdermal ECDY is really good.
As are some...other ecdysteroids.....I wouldnt be surprised if someone...EHEM..BLR....Launched a new type of ecdysteroid.
 
brundel said:
Yah the difference in bioavailability is amazing. So many of the ECDY products out there are underdosed and or completely fake. Turk products are definitely fake.
Transdermal ECDY is really good.
As are some...other ecdysteroids.....I wouldnt be surprised if someone...EHEM..BLR....Launched a new type of ecdysteroid.
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this sounds seriously awesome
 
botk1161 said:
@ 500,000 per bottle / per month, it may put a damper on the family x-mas presents.
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I mean how bad do you want it man?! When was the last time your...FAMILY...added any muscle to your frame?!
Psssshhhh.
And I hear Santa is a pedophile. Climbing down peoples chimneys and looking at the kids while they are sleeping. Ive been onto that guy for a long time. Ever since the Christmas of 89 when I caught him doing weird isht to me. What was strange is I didnt realize at the time how much Santa looked like my Uncle Bob...years later I found our Bob wasnt really my uncle but some weirdo neighbor. Strange times I tell you.
 
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LETS GOOOOOOOO!
CODE BLACK. Everything on site is on sale. Doesnt apply to pre discounted stacks. IF you want a stack just add everything to cart individually. Also Androgin is in stock but we dont have labels until next week. So we have it on pre sale. Androgin orders will ship approx 11-29. Maybe earlier but I want people to know they will likely wait till mid next week min.
 
By the way the new carrier is amazing. Its majorly upgraded from our original carrier and has much better penetration. You will notice that the stuff is basically clear. This means 100% of the ingredients are in solution. No small feat considering whats in it. Im pretty proud of this one. I hope you guys like it ;)
 
I get the 2x/day dosing to keep blood levels more elevated over the course of the day but wondering if 1x/day (all 6 pumps) would yield similar results/effects
 
schizm said:
I get the 2x/day dosing to keep blood levels more elevated over the course of the day but wondering if 1x/day (all 6 pumps) would yield similar results/effects
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I don’t think it’s to keep blood levels. Transdermals naturally are time released in a way so dosing is about convenience
 
I’m still using REBIRTH and INCINDERINE should I wait until finished to run Formeron?
 
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svida said:
UPDATE: I finished my Formeron trial after 9 weeks and overall have been very pleased with the results! I'm estimating ~3lbs of solid mass and haven't noticed any shutdown nor side effects whatsover. I haven't been running a PCT after 10 days off so far and I feel great! I've had several compliments in the gym the past few weeks which is always a bonus. My favorite part of this standalone cycle is definitely the muscle fullness, and the unexpected strength gains really makes this product shine! I'm absolutely certain I've gained significant size, dry with no water weight bloat. My strategy was applying twice per day using nitrile gloves on the targeted areas without absorbing in my hands. I'd recommend 3-4 pumps first thing in the morning and the remaining 3 pumps post workout when the application area has been cleared again. I've had considerable success applying immediately after a steam/sauna plus exfoliating every few days. Unfortunately, I didn't have the opportunity to capture bloodwork, though I'm planning to run this again mid-December for a few weeks prior and during a 10-week LGD cycle. Let me know how ya'll like this!
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Smont said:
Anyone gonna drop a log? I'm interested
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i was going to post an assement with bloods before, during, and after if i ever use the three bottles i bought since im already monitoring anything that will boost testosterone.; that said, i have a history of buying things that require cycling off and never using them. i may begin as early as december 7th
 
inprnt said:
Can you use Formeron year-round or do you recommend cycling?
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It’s going to come down to bloodwork. Are you getting suppressed and do you see any negative trending over prolonged periods? Nobody has that info yet because this is a new formula.

Most of the data I’ve seen on a lot of plant extracts and ecdysteroids tend to benign or even potentially helpful for health. But if estrogen is too low for longer periods you could see some cholesterol impact, or too high you might see some suppression of natural test. Depends on how strong the AI effect is vs how you metabolize the DHEA in this.

TLDR: we don’t know yet but it’s likely safe for extended use.
 
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