Studhorse
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FOLLIDRONE 2.0 FAQ Updated follidrone writeup and info***
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brundel
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Thanks for the help guys! That there is no BBE date on it is right? Brundel, can you estimate how long these are still gtg, if it is a bottle of the first batches?!
Thanks
Several years as long as the bottle is closed and in a cool dry area.
TheMovement
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I found 4 a day to be great and best for me. I'm more than active, 6'3 and just over 220lbs if it helps for reference. I found going over that didn't yield results worth dosing that high.
coltonwalker
Active member
I am 6'2" 250 and I notice a slight difference with 4 vs 3. When you can tell the difference in a product by just 1 pill.. it's good, and also worth the extra 1 cap a day.
vujade
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I never experienced any sides on Formeron.
It's a very feel good AI/PH.
It is missed by all that have used it ..!
abformulations
Legend
I never experienced any sides on Formeron.
It's a very feel good AI/PH.
It is missed by all that have used it ..!
Truly missed
coltonwalker
Active member
They would compliment eachother in a cycle. If you have enough fd2 run it through pct too.
abformulations
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Yes sir. Goes with whatever diet you go with, very versatile
brundel
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Depends on your definition of recomp. If you want to get bigger youll need to eat more.
You can increase cals with FD2 and still lose some bodyfat so my suggestion is this. Eat slightly above caloric maintenance.
Like 500+ cals over maintenance but protein and fat.
For growth phases I aim for 2g protein per lb of desired bodyweight. So if Im aiming for 220lbs I eat 440grams
Yes its alot.
alvin1
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Trying to loose fat I am around 20 bodyfat, looking to slowly loose fat to around 15 bodyfat and slowly gaining strengh on big 3
I will star at maintenance and adjust from there, I have 3 bottle to play with
brundel
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Cutting fat while gaining strength is like the loch ness monster or bigfoot.
My suggestion is do one or the other. Or, one, then the other.
Cut the 10% then focus on building strength.
Here is how. FD2 maybe + add Letrone for its AI properties but also because it will increase thyroid function which will help you burn fat.
Might add a dedicated fat burner as well.
Run a sub maintenance high protein, high fat low carb cutting diet for 8-10 weeks.
Increased cardio.
Then once you have trimmed down slowly increase cals from proteins and fat. Keep carbs moderate and low glycemic.
Also keep meals small and eat 5-7 per day to get in your cals. THis keeps metabolism ramped up and burning.
I also suggest lots of veggies and at least a gal of water per day.
Do not eat anything with sugar in it.
Stevia only for sweetening.
brundel
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Yah I agree. Run it at least 8 weeks as it takes time for the changes in Follistatin, ACE etc all take time to cause their effects.
I feel like week 5 is when it really starts to shine and you start to notice the magic happening.
I know of someone on this forum whos brother gained 17lbs on an FD2 run.
I know dozens of people who have lost weight (fat) while gaining muscle mass.
And
I know people who have become absurdly shredded running FD2 on a cut.
Its all about how you use it and your goals.
coltonwalker
Active member
I can attest for fat loss and muscle gain.
Studhorse
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For me it's best for recomp. I have to eat a higher amount of carbs with FD2.
Note: I can't tolerate low carb diets. Zapps my workouts to much. I only have 3 days at most 4 days a week to lift and it takes 2hours to get through my workout. Low carb diets just don't work for me.
Everyone is different and have used it from bulk to cut.
Note: I can't tolerate low carb diets. Zapps my workouts to much. I only have 3 days at most 4 days a week to lift and it takes 2hours to get through my workout. Low carb diets just don't work for me.
Everyone is different and have used it from bulk to cut.
TheMovement
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I think if you have room for recomposition FD 2.0 is for you. Cutting means nothing if ya got no muscle to show for it and bulking is useless if you don't have push to challenge and stress yourself. FD2.0 helps in those categories by far. The rest is good sleep and a consistent diet. There's no way to lose.
paul56778
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My Bro did gain around 17 lbs and was much stronger, he was eating around 5k calories per day though and hated eating as much, he felt he went very fat, but i personally feel he did great and did not go over 12-13% bodyfat. he is naturally lean and can normally eat whatever he wants so is an ectomorph with slight mesomorph qualities.
paul56778
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I am doing a modified PSMF. where i have been around 1000 Kcals, 188g pro, 54g carbs, all from broccoli including the fiber content, and 15.6 grams of fat, 6 grams from the omega 3 fish oils i take and the rest from the greens supp i use and whatever is in the broccoli and chicken breasts as well as 120g of mixed whey and casein i consume on a daily basis.
I will be adding in coconut oil, around 40 grams from today onwards to add 360 calories and 40 grams of energy providing fats to see how things get on.
Also Sunday and Thursday i perform a Carb Re-feed where i get anywhere from 600-1000 grams of carbs depending on how i feel and look and how i am getting on recovery wise. i also aim to keep protein lowish to 1-1.2 g per lb of body weight as fat 50 grams or under, if fat does go over 50 grams and ends up being 60-90 grams i use a fat blocking based supplement with Lipomyl in it, i also always use Evomuse DCP, 6 caps per day and Defuse up to 12-14 caps per day and sometimes white kidney bean extract to reduce impact of carbs on blood sugar, i also still use some of my EBF recompadrol at a dose of 2 caps prior to each main carb meal which can be upto 12 caps used in one day.
brundel
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Eating 5000 cals + is mandatory for most if they want to be over 200lbs.
It takes time for the body to get used to all the food and the eating schedule. For some its worth it, for some its not. But thats a huge gain. 12-13% isnt bad AT ALL for a 17lb bulk. Really good actually. Which is why I mention it
paul56778
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Eating 5000 cals + is mandatory for most if they want to be over 200lbs.
It takes time for the body to get used to all the food and the eating schedule. For some its worth it, for some its not. But thats a huge gain. 12-13% isnt bad AT ALL for a 17lb bulk. Really good actually. Which is why I mention it
I struggle on my carb up re-feeds to get in 7000 calories whilst keeping fat as low as possible preferably 50g or under but it does sometimes go up to 60-75 grams which warrants the use of evomuse defuse and another fat blocking supplement
brundel
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Honestly in my opinion fat isnt what needs to be managed.
Carbs and sugars are.
If I eat high carbs and sugars I start to get soft.
I can eat fat all day long without any issues at all. Because fat doesnt become fat necessarily but carbs and sugars cause insulin to rise which causes us to store fat.
When I cut I drop out carbs and increase fat.
I can also say from experience I know several IFBB pros and I see what they do to get in shape for shows.
Reduce carbs, increase fat and pro.
Not everyone is the same of course but I can tell you for sure that its not eating fat that makes you fat.
Its either 1. more calories than the body can burn or 2. excessive carbs which cause fat storage.
Try 2 weeks with cals at maintenance or just over with low carbs and high fat. (good fats of course) dont eat fried food all day. Thats just poor diet.
Then try 2 weeks with low fat and high carbs.
100% sure youll see a major difference.
Max32
Registered User
Agree on the dietary fat comments. Obviously, other factors play a large roll as far as restrictions and pharmacological augmentation at the pro level as well as top National Level NPC guys, and an individual's carb sensitivity. I have prepped some pros myself, and I personally stay at 250 lbs at 6 ft and single digit bodyfat year round. My competition days are behind me most likely, but I can definitely say that fats aren't the devil.
While adding the follidrone in to my Hrt, I can certainly attest the ability to add more carbs. That being said, I don't believe in doing so linearly but more centered around training: pre, during and post.
bb333
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And how do we deal with the loss of muscle volume due to the lack of sufficient muscle glycogen recharge?
There are individuals who just lower their carbohydrates, lose muscle volume.
Ok, you're up to increasing your fat and lowering your carbohydrates.
So how to handle it?
Fat far or near workout?
Carbohydrates concentrated in pre intra post workout, or better all in post meal workout?
Is there a limit for you, where to get high with the fat? For example, 2gr fat per kilogram of body mass?
Max32
Registered User
My simple answer is that is highly variable from person to person and even then, can change as a person ages, with muscle maturity, from prep to prep, etc...
I will tell you that I am a fan of carbs pre intra and post, especially when trying to gain or maintain size. Me personally, I'm a mesomorph and can handle carbs at every meal. Predominantly though, fats are focused in morning and afternoon meals and they taper off after my pre workout meal. Then it's carbs and proteins only intra and post. Some fats come back for remaining meals.
bb333
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Perfect! I also try to manage these two macronutrients, carbohydrates and fat.
I'm an ectomorph, I train in the afternoon, the first meal of the day is full of fat, carbs, and proteins.
The second day meal, which is close to the workout, is made up of carbohydrates and proteins.
I train, and in post workout I only eat carbohydrates and proteins.
In the evening I do the last meal, carbohydrates, proteins, and the few fat.
As I said, I'm ectomorphic, and I can not afford to keep carbohydrates low, just empty my muscles.
I think for subjects like me, it's important, even in the cutting period, to increase the calories out, while eating enough, without depriving the carbohydrates.
So massive workouts, and some cardio sessions.
bb333
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The talk is valid for those who want to lose fat mass in a cutting period.
And in a bulk period? Or carbohydrates are necessarily high, and low fat. Right?
Is this all the same to ectomorphs?
paul56778
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I am running PSMF so low fat and low carbs hence the requirement for the re-feed.
bb333
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How much are you with the proteins?
paul56778
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198g
brundel
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Are you able to maintain muscle mass on this diet?
Im not super familiar with it but I see its a low cal diet correct? With heavy refeed periods?
When Im normal, meaning Im not really focusing on bodybuilding I naturally use intermittent fasting. This is because I sleep alot and I dont eat for several hours after waking but I tend to shrink alot when I do this.
In order to stay above say 200lbs I have to eat every couple hours while awake and when I was larger I had to drink a shake right before sleeping and wake up in the middle of the night and choke down a meal. Fn rough man.
brundel
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Like Max was saying, for this purpose, structuring carb heavy meals around training is the key and in the morning.
I see by your other post that your concerned that not having alot of carbs will flatten you out and I assume not allow you to keep on or gain weight but Im not sure I agree. Let me explain...First Ill preface this by saying that I started at 135lbs and at my largest was just under 240 lean.
I am a true ectomorph. Hence the 135lbs. Ive also been at this for decades and tried just about everything.
So yes carbs are important for intramuscular glycogen and glycogen stores for fuel etc but there are a few things to consider. First Fats are much more calorie dense. If you take some rice and compare it to some olive oil the calorie comparison is insane.
For example if you have 1 cup of rice it = 209 calories.
If you have 1 cup of olive oil its 1990 calories. Pretty significant difference.
Plus carbs tend to increase insulin and make bodyfat retention and accumulation more likely than with fats.
paul56778
Well-known member
Yes i am maintaining muscle mass and strength, it works out at around 1000-1100 calories on PSMF days then Thursday and Sunday are my Re-feed days where calories go up to 6-7000 mainly carbs and 1-1.5 g protein per lb of bodyweight and fat as low as possible preferably 50-60 grams
paul56778
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I also carry out IF 16/8 or 18/6 year round, but this does change to on re-feed days because of the volume of food required to get in the calories cannot easily be crammed into an 8 hour window.
bb333
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7000 kcal ??? ? How many grams of carbohydrates you eat these days, Thursdays and Sundays !? In these days I lower the fat ... maximum 30gr...
brundel
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Yup.
This is why Follidrone 2.0 causes people to lose fat even when they are above caloric maintenance and while they are growing/gaining muscle.
Not many things will allow this but FD2 works through insulin and GLUT4 to manage glucose. Of course this isnt the only way it helps burn fat but this is why it will do so in spite of caloric surplus.