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FOLLIDRONE 2.0 FAQ Updated follidrone writeup and info***

GreenMachineX said:
Even though y'all are taking it without carbs, are you still taking with meals?
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When I take without carbs it is usually without a meal, I've noticed an increased fullness in my muscles when I take about 30-45 min prior to eating a meal with carbs.

I always consume carbs with my dosing of 2 pre workout in the mornings. I am going to dose 1 with fasted cardio this week and I'll give fasted lifting a shot on 2 caps. Then backload carbs post workout and see what kind of response I can get.
 
Did a single FD2 pre-workout with the last carb meal 3-4 hours before. Strong, great pump, but went hypo before mid workout. And a gatorade did not bring me back. Once I go hypo, it's too late to recover it seems. Will go back to taking it with carbs....
 
crowbar46 said:
Ok, sorry for the questions that, I'm sure, have been gone over many times:

1) should fd2 be dosed on an empty stomach, followed by a meal say 1/2 or 1 hour later, or is it OK to take with food?

2) when you talk about dosing pre-workout, are we talking 15 min., or more like 1 hour or 2 hours pre?

3) I train 4 hours after waking up. Should I dose one cap before/with breakfast and another 2 caps before training, or would that be taking the doses too close together for maximum benefit?

This will be my first run with Fd2 and I'm really looking forward to it after running Letrone (the first BLR product that I've used)!

I'll be recomping/lean bulking with 1-andro, Epi andro, Super DHEA, Origin, and Fd2

Thanks for the help,

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It seems like some people do great with 0 carbs and some need to eat with it.
1. Empty stomach is probably better for fat loss but some experience negative sides without food. Try it with and without to determine how you respond.
Its fine to take with food and if you can tolerate it its fine to take without.

2. Pre=30-45min before.

3. You want to spread the doses out more. I would do the 2 in the am and 1 pm.

Enjoy the cycle bro.
 
Tank999 said:
Never do a meal without taking FD2 beforehand. If I get a feeling I'm about to go xxl on the meal, I take 2. Don't know how or why but it's been working.
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It works because it lowers postprandial blood glucose levels. This reduces the insulin spike and as a result, fat storage is less.

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IF they are, 16/8. My first meal of the day is at noon. I take 1 cps flow of Folli2 just wake up at 8 o'clock in the morning.
Zero problems! hypo no effect!

Tomorrow I could do another test!

I could measure just woke up blood sugar, 8 am (last meal did at 20 the day before), after the test assume 2cps of folli2.
After 30 minutes, I repeat the test! (About 8:30 am)
During the morning, just water.
Until 12 am, the first meal of the day, at least 100 grams of complex carbohydrates, 30g fat, 25g protein.

What are you saying?
brundel
tests that I could do?
 
bb333 said:
IF they are, 16/8. My first meal of the day is at noon. I take 1 cps flow of Folli2 just wake up at 8 o'clock in the morning.
Zero problems! hypo no effect!

Tomorrow I could do another test!

I could measure just woke up blood sugar, 8 am (last meal did at 20 the day before), after the test assume 2cps of folli2.
After 30 minutes, I repeat the test! (About 8:30 am)
During the morning, just water.
Until 12 am, the first meal of the day, at least 100 grams of complex carbohydrates, 30g fat, 25g protein.

What are you saying?
brundel
tests that I could do?
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I think as long as you feel ok then taking without food is fine.
For sure its lowering blood glucose but not enough to cause problems/ side effects.
If you have a blood glucose kit you can check how much of a drop there is.
 
brundel said:
I think as long as you feel ok then taking without food is fine.
For sure its lowering blood glucose but not enough to cause problems/ side effects.
If you have a blood glucose kit you can check how much of a drop there is.
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I had labs drawn a few weeks ago one hour after eating and my labs said my blood glucose was 50.
 
When I was taking this my blood glucose would drop to high normal and I'm a diabetic. I was running around 3000 calories with this and ultimately stopped my basal insulin doses. This supplement is legit!
I can't wait to start this again right around the May time frame.
 
jmero2 said:
When I was taking this my blood glucose would drop to high normal and I'm a diabetic. I was running around 3000 calories with this and ultimately stopped my basal insulin doses. This supplement is legit!
I can't wait to start this again right around the May time frame.
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Wow that is awesome.
 
This is part of why I suggest 2x daily administration.
We want to make sure you have sustained elevated levels.
 
If doing AM fasted cardio (I walk at 3.5 mph ~75min) would there be added benefit to taking 2 FD2 capsules before hand? I do this just to stay active and mobile.
 
The Whizard said:
If doing AM fasted cardio (I walk at 3.5 mph ~75min) would there be added benefit to taking 2 FD2 capsules before hand? I do this just to stay active and mobile.
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I think 2 would be overkill, i would imagine 1 would act as a fairly strong gda and clear out blood sugar/raise insulin sensitivity pretty rapidly and effectively when combined with that much fasted cardio
 
mechka_grizli said:
brundel vujade

I know brundel you're not a fan of ARA, but would you say the AI properties of Epi and Flos would negate the pro-inflammatory properties in muscle of ARA
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Just fyi, folli makes my joints hurt so bad that i cant even use it. Its supposedly anti inflammatory, but is actually inflammatory for me and some others. Brundel said he thought the absorption package was too strong and was possibly the cause. Folli was originally going to be reformulated because of this, but as far as i know, hasnt been.
 
anabolix said:
Just fyi, folli makes my joints hurt so bad that i cant even use it. Its supposedly anti inflammatory, but is actually inflammatory for me and some others. Brundel said he thought the absorption package was too strong and was possibly the cause. Folli was originally going to be reformulated because of this, but as far as i know, hasnt been.
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I started a bottle of Folli. 2.0 4 days ago and my joints are hurting so bad I have to stop. It's unbelievable. I've never hurt this bad in my entire life...

I don't condemn the product though. Effects are different for everybody and for some people this product works miracles!

If anyone wants to buy a bottle I have about a 25 day supply left. PM me!
 
I was one of the people having joint problems with fd2 as well, but the product worked so well I was determined to find the pathology of the problem.

After trying many things I am now able to use it with some(minimal irritation here and there) minor pain that is not always there.

I tried extra omega 3 and it did nothing. What works for me is a combo of 3 supplements. In order of most effective.

1. Boron - is known to help with arthritis and joint mobility. Plus you get a test boost from it. And it's cheap. No brainer.

2. Trace mineral supplement - since boron had proven to be effective, I started to think maybe a full spectrum trace mineral could also bolster my defenses and help absorb the boron even better. And I was right. It also helps.

3. Liposmal vitamin c - collagen production, tendon support. You can take regular c but for me I have to take the liposmal version as I have problems processing the regular form.

The only side I get now from fd2 is occasional tingling in the extremities(which is a known side effect of quercetin), and that is usually remedied by taking extra boron and trace minerals. But the severe joint pain I used to get from fd2 is basically controlled now. The exact pathology still eludes me but for now I have found a work around. Take care
 
ttortman78 said:
I was one of the people having joint problems with fd2 as well, but the product worked so well I was determined to find the pathology of the problem.

After trying many things I am now able to use it with some(minimal irritation here and there) minor pain that is not always there.

I tried extra omega 3 and it did nothing. What works for me is a combo of 3 supplements. In order of most effective.

1. Boron - is known to help with arthritis and joint mobility. Plus you get a test boost from it. And it's cheap. No brainer.

2. Trace mineral supplement - since boron had proven to be effective, I started to think maybe a full spectrum trace mineral could also bolster my defenses and help absorb the boron even better. And I was right. It also helps.

3. Liposmal vitamin c - collagen production, tendon support. You can take regular c but for me I have to take the liposmal version as I have problems processing the regular form.

The only side I get now from fd2 is occasional tingling in the extremities(which is a known side effect of quercetin), and that is usually remedied by taking extra boron and trace minerals. But the severe joint pain I used to get from fd2 is basically controlled now. The exact pathology still eludes me but for now I have found a work around. Take care
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I wish i could find a work around for the joint pain, because i would love to finish taking this stuff! My staples incl. boron, fish oil and vitamin c, so for me this isnt a "work around". Even taking all those things, the joint pain from fd2 was unbearable. I still have hope that one day someone will come out with an improved version, without the absorption package (or less of it), so that more people can enjoy the benefits without ruining their joints.
 
anabolix said:
I wish i could find a work around for the joint pain, because i would love to finish taking this stuff! My staples incl. boron, fish oil and vitamin c, so for me this isnt a "work around". Even taking all those things, the joint pain from fd2 was unbearable. I still have hope that one day someone will come out with an improved version, without the absorption package (or less of it), so that more people can enjoy the benefits without ruining their joints.
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Try the trace minerals. Boron helped a lot, but it wasn't until I added trace minerals that I really felt significant relief. I used concentrace. It's pretty cheap. Give it a shot.
 
It's difficult to read when some say they are having inflammation because I'm the opposite.

Being 51 and should be having DOMs and joint pain with all that I'm stacking.

I'm recovering incredibly fast and doing well. It's the thought I cannot offer relief to you gents that hurts.
 
In the past I have always used ARA, and ARA me of some inflamed joints.
For two months ARA + Follidrone2.0, no problem, I think Folli2 is working together with ARA.
Even to me it seems strange to read that Folli2 brings these issues.
 
I have suffered from both sides - starting FD2 gave me incredibly painful joints and shoulders, this got better but didnt go, now I stopped FD2 I have a elbow pain
 
M.I.D said:
I have suffered from both sides - starting FD2 gave me incredibly painful joints and shoulders, this got better but didnt go, now I stopped FD2 I have a elbow pain
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How long you take FD2? after how many days or so you had aching joints?
 
I'm getting shoulder and elbow pains myself. Didn't have it for more than a year now it's back after less than a bottle of fd2. Do you guys get it on fd2 only or also other epicathecin?
 
Wagner83 said:
Pycnogenol is said to be very good for joint health .
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You can't throw that kind of statement on AM without some proper citations or at least a description of your personal experience. A hundred things is said or claims to be very good for joint health.
 
M.I.D said:
for me was just FD2
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Intetesting. I'd know for sure if it goes away when I stop on my 8th week on fd2. Right now my numbers have been dropping and my injuries/discomfort increased. This is my 8th week coming up I think on fd2. Fyi I'm also stacking it with PA (cutler king and epiq)
 
goodvibes said:
You can't throw that kind of statement on AM without some proper citations or at least a description of your personal experience. A hundred things is said or claims to be very good for joint health.
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Well guess what I just did , if you take 30 seconds out of your day and do a quick search (examine etc..) maybe you'll find it could be useful, maybe not.
 
Weird it hasn't done that to me and I've old injuries in the knee and shoulder. Guess it's a "dry experience" for some?
 
justhere4comm said:
"Joint Health"

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"5.2. Joint Health

Supplementation of pycnogenol (50mg thrice daily) to persons with knee osteoarthritis was able to reduce symptoms of osteoarthritis when measured at 90 days. The symptom reduction and magnitude noted that pain (43%), stiffness (35%), physical function (52%), and composite WOMAC scores (49%) were all reduced beneficially by 90 days with all but stiffness having lesser benefit on day 60 and no parameter seeing benefit within 30 days.[46] A later study using a smaller dose (100mg once daily) for 90 days noted a 56% reduction in total symptoms as assessed by WOMAC and improved walking distance in a functional treadmill test.[47] "

100-150mg of pycnogenol appears to be highly effective for the symptoms of osteoarthritis, but requires up to three months for maximal benefits
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http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/285882-citrulline-pycnogenol-erections.html

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goodvibes said:
I'm getting shoulder and elbow pains myself. Didn't have it for more than a year now it's back after less than a bottle of fd2. Do you guys get it on fd2 only or also other epicathecin?
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I'm sorry.
I have always used follidrone 2, are the 40 th day, all goes well, waiting out the second bottle to give the conclusions.
 
I tend to experience pain in my wrist and occasionally joint pain during extended epicatechin use. It seems to start about 2 to 3 weeks in and last the duration of the run.
 
anabolix said:
I wish i could find a work around for the joint pain, because i would love to finish taking this stuff! My staples incl. boron, fish oil and vitamin c, so for me this isnt a "work around". Even taking all those things, the joint pain from fd2 was unbearable. I still have hope that one day someone will come out with an improved version, without the absorption package (or less of it), so that more people can enjoy the benefits without ruining their joints.
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The problem with this is taking out the absorption package reduces the effects of the actives making the product FAR less effective.
In addition, its likely an active could be causing the issue. Quercetin for example causes joint pain for some people even at low doses of normal quercetin. We are not using normal quercetin.
Ours is a co crystal with niacin bonded to the quercetin molecules. This makes the quercetin stronger by many times over as your absorbing 50-70+times more than normal. NOrmal quercetin is not well absorbed. Perhaps 1%. The co crystal increases this to 50+%. So we are talking a more than 50 times greater increase in absorption. Basically taking normal quercetin is pretty much worthless. The co crystal= effective. So we are seeing new side effects from it that most, except for those SUPER sensitive to it, would normally not experience. We could remove it and test it, we could remove other things and test it but in the end the product would be nerfed and the effects reduced.
We are selling Follidrone 2.0 at about the same volume as all of our other products combined currently and many users are buying 3-5 bottles at a time.
The vast majority is seeing results greater than any other natural anabolic I know of. We dont want to break this.
Unfortunately, lots of exceptionally strong compounds will cause side effects for a small percentage of users. We can try to find solutions and work arounds but we for 100% certain are not changing the formula because 99% of users love it and are returning for more and more and more.

We have a new anabolic coming soon that wont have the same formula. Its been testing super well and we have seen no sides thus far.
So, if you cant tolerate the FD2 youll have this option shortly.
And we have a pretty epic Pre coming shortly.
And 3 more on deck. ....options :)
 
brundel said:
The problem with this is taking out the absorption package reduces the effects of the actives making the product FAR less effective.
In addition, its likely an active could be causing the issue. Quercetin for example causes joint pain for some people even at low doses of normal quercetin. We are not using normal quercetin.
Ours is a co crystal with niacin bonded to the quercetin molecules. This makes the quercetin stronger by many times over as your absorbing 50-70+times more than normal. NOrmal quercetin is not well absorbed. Perhaps 1%. The co crystal increases this to 50+%. So we are talking a more than 50 times greater increase in absorption. Basically taking normal quercetin is pretty much worthless. The co crystal= effective. So we are seeing new side effects from it that most, except for those SUPER sensitive to it, would normally not experience. We could remove it and test it, we could remove other things and test it but in the end the product would be nerfed and the effects reduced.
We are selling Follidrone 2.0 at about the same volume as all of our other products combined currently and many users are buying 3-5 bottles at a time.
The vast majority is seeing results greater than any other natural anabolic I know of. We dont want to break this.
Unfortunately, lots of exceptionally strong compounds will cause side effects for a small percentage of users. We can try to find solutions and work arounds but we for 100% certain are not changing the formula because 99% of users love it and are returning for more and more and more.

We have a new anabolic coming soon that wont have the same formula. Its been testing super well and we have seen no sides thus far.
So, if you cant tolerate the FD2 youll have this option shortly.
And we have a pretty epic Pre coming shortly.
And 3 more on deck. ....options :)
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Nice! I look forward to trying the new anabolic :-)
 
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