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FOLLIDRONE 2.0 FAQ Updated follidrone writeup and info***

After running three bottles, I didn't respond to this stuff at all. Everything just isn't for everybody.

I'm glad to see so many others have had/having success.
 
It took 3 bottles for you to realise it wasn't working? No body comp changes? No fat loss? No increase in endurance? Strength?
 
Ok thanks for the replies.

M.I.D said:
I have not had any improvement in my asthma.

Erections I am not sure about either, I think it probably depends what time its taken
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Probably not as the benefits of ecklonia were said to be cumulative and not acute.
 
Wagner83 said:
Ecklonia is said to help with erections and asthma/allergies, has anyone noticed benefits (or none) in these areas?
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Now that you brought it up yes I have to say it has helped!!! I'm 53 and cant say I usually have a problem in this area but they have been rock hard and consistent. Got about 8 days left on my 2nd bottle and need to get another bottle or 2 on order. thinking about taking a break but really like this stuff and most supplements don't do much for me.
 
shirt said:
After running three bottles, I didn't respond to this stuff at all. Everything just isn't for everybody.

I'm glad to see so many others have had/having success.
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That sucks brother almost done with my 2nd bottle and I'm impressed with FD2.
 
shirt said:
After running three bottles, I didn't respond to this stuff at all. Everything just isn't for everybody.

I'm glad to see so many others have had/having success.
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Sorry to hear this bro. I wonder why?
I know some people dont seem to respond well to epicatechin but this isnt just epicatechin. And there is much more than myostatin inhibition going on so even if this didnt effect you we would expect something still.
 
Wagner83 said:
Cool! It could be interesting to give a try to ecklonia cava on its own, **** is expensive.
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Also not all ecklonia extracts are the same. Lots of different standardizations.
We use a very unique extract. Ultra strong.
I know some companies sell it but the dose is small. 53mg for one brand of a 15% standardized extract. You would need to take the whole bottle at once lol.
 
I saw swanson carry a 98 % extract but you would also need to eat a decent amount of capsules, there's also ford speranza . Seanol and whole spectrum are more dubious in terms of quality.
 
Wagner83 said:
I saw swanson carry a 98 % extract but you would also need to eat a decent amount of capsules, there's also ford speranza . Seanol and whole spectrum are more dubious in terms of quality.
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Here is the deal....the labeling there is intentionally difficult to interpret.
Says 25:1 extract of a 98% "pure" ecklonia cava. This means its extracted from 98% ecklonia cava and 2% something else entirely.
Then is says its standardized to 15%.

So......the long and short is its a 15% standardized extract @ 53mg per cap.
You would literally have to take the whole bottle or close to it to = 1 daily serving of Follidrone.

Ours is MUCH stronger and there is about 10x more per daily serving of Follidrone 2.
 
I believe sales are a rocking for Folidrone 2.0. Good job BLR.....love seeing you get the respect you deserve and surviving the big fish trolling in water over the 'earlier' years.
 
brundel said:
Here is the deal....the labeling there is intentionally difficult to interpret.
Says 25:1 extract of a 98% "pure" ecklonia cava. This means its extracted from 98% ecklonia cava and 2% something else entirely.
Then is says its standardized to 15%.

So......the long and short is its a 15% standardized extract @ 53mg per cap.
You would literally have to take the whole bottle or close to it to = 1 daily serving of Follidrone.

Ours is MUCH stronger and there is about 10x more per daily serving of Follidrone 2.
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Ford speranza ecklonia cava is 98.8 % pure and 300 mg per caps.
As you said the one from swanson is also 98.8 % pure but it's a 25:1 extract yielding 15% of polyphenols and phlorotannins.
I have not seen any source for the extract you claim to have in your product so we'll have to trust you on that one. I understand why you don't want to disclose the exact amount and quality of your products but on the other hand as a consumer it's repulsive!
 
Wagner83 said:
Ford speranza ecklonia cava is 98.8 % pure and 300 mg per caps.
As you said the one from swanson is also 98.8 % pure but it's a 25:1 extract yielding 15% of polyphenols and phlorotannins.
I have not seen any source for the extract you claim to have in your product so we'll have to trust you on that one. I understand why you don't want to disclose the exact amount and quality of your products but on the other hand as a consumer it's repulsive!
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While I don't agree with not disclosing the extract specifics and such, the word 'repulsive' to describe such actions is a bit of a stretch.
 
Wagner83 said:
Ford speranza ecklonia cava is 98.8 % pure and 300 mg per caps.
As you said the one from swanson is also 98.8 % pure but it's a 25:1 extract yielding 15% of polyphenols and phlorotannins.
I have not seen any source for the extract you claim to have in your product so we'll have to trust you on that one. I understand why you don't want to disclose the exact amount and quality of your products but on the other hand as a consumer it's repulsive!
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Think you have issues dude if you understand his reasoning but are also repulsed by it
 
jt75 said:
Think you have issues dude if you understand his reasoning but are also repulsed by it
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I can understand he does not want other companies to copy his product mg for mg, but as a customer I don't like taking products with undisclosed proprietary blends . Does that crazy statement warrant an unpleasant reply such as yours?
 
Wagner83 said:
I can understand he does not want other companies to copy his product mg for mg, but as a customer I don't like taking products with undisclosed proprietary blends . Does that crazy statement warrant an unpleasant reply such as yours?
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brundel is a great guy with a great reputation for making great products be they proprietary or not, he's certainly not gonna give you the exact formula just because you want it. If you don't like proprietary blends then don't buy them. Simples ?
 
With regards to proprietary blends-

I fully understand why people dislike prop blends and I actually agree.
100% of the time a prop blend is there to hide something one way or another. This alone is sort of shady.
The purpose is supposed to be so a companies formulas are "sort of" protected although its a very thin line of defense.
Unfortunately, many companies that use prop blends do so not to protect themselves from competitors but instead to hide that fact that out of the 9 ingredients MAYBE only 1 is there in a usable amount. Ever see a product with 10+ ingredients and a prop blend....I wouldnt trust it. Especially with herbal extracts as most require large doses with the exception of some high % standardized extracts. I can think of off the top of my head more than a few products like this where the mg is not disclosed and I would gamble my life that all the ingredients are not there in viable amounts.

Anyway....while I agree about prop blends being distasteful you must look at it from my perspective. Imagine you spent 6+ months every day pouring over research studies, sourcing HUGE quantities of raw plant matter from other countries (no small feat), working on different types and ways of extraction and testing each for efficacy and constituents. You then test each with dozens of testers at different doses and timing and each extract etc etc etc etc etc etc for months and months. You run labs and spend tens of thousands on R&D until finally you find something that is extremely special.


You then release this product to the public and within a few weeks or months one of your competitors exactly copies your product, or copies it but adds another ingredient or 2 and then calls it their amazing new innovative product. They go on to market and promote that they put all this work and time and effort "researching" (my label) their hot new product which is of course my new product.

I wont say anything about how I feel about people who do this but I will say that to me it feels like someone has stolen all of the time and effort and money I put into R&D and then promoted it as though it was them that put all the work in. I realize this industry is built on this practice but none the less its Not super cool.
So I do my best to protect my formulas as many are unique and I do sometimes use ingredients nobody has ever heard of. Ive started using more ingredients FOllidrone 2.0, and being much less transparent. This includes me talking less about my processes on the forums because basically everything I say, while it may benefit my customers,. is free game for competitors. So....
Mums the word and prop blends where they need to be employed is my only option.

Its unfortunate and I apologize that it has to be like this but you have my word that it is not done to deceive you in any way.
 
Excellent post as I said I do understand both sides so then it's a matter of trust , reputation and personal choice etc.. Hopefully I didn't sound as if I was looking to turn people away from your products (not that I would have had any impact anyway) they seem to really like them , well at least follidrone as I have not checked the other ones.
 
Just came in the mail today :) should I wait until I'm done my current osta/Sparta lean cycle and add it to my pct or can I start this bad boy in the AM
 
omega_spartan said:
Just came in the mail today :) should I wait until I'm done my current osta/Sparta lean cycle and add it to my pct or can I start this bad boy in the AM
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I think this is up to you bro.
Everyone I know who has run osta seems to have some negative side effects from it that linger well beyond the cycle.
I dont want the spill over negatives of osta to muddy the Follidrone cycle. But its up to you. No reason you cant just start using it.
No reason you cant use it during PCT. I dont think it will shine as brightly when your in deficit from something else though.
 
Caloric deficit or hormonal deficit?

Edit: Re read it. Going to assume hormonal deficit. Ill wait until I'm done this cycle in a week. Patience is key.
 
brundel Got a 2 pack in the Nutriverse sale, got a question.

I workout starting @ 0430 fasted drinking BCAA. Obviously time is an issue to not eating before, I also train better fasted than on a full stomach. In a perfect world, eating or getting a shake an hour pre is best for me, but that early, just not possible.

I see the recommendation is to to take 2 pre, then 1 cap later in the day. The blood sugar effects concern me a bit, I'm not diabetic or anything, but I do notice sometimes in the workout a bit of lightheadedness when I'm hitting it really hard. I usually back off for a minute or two and I'm fine.

I was thinking of taking 2 caps immediately post when I shower, then I make a green smoothie with protein and coconut oil about half an hour later on my way to work.

What would y'all recommend?
 
Rebel1978 said:
brundel Got a 2 pack in the Nutriverse sale, got a question.

I workout starting @ 0430 fasted drinking BCAA. Obviously time is an issue to not eating before, I also train better fasted than on a full stomach. In a perfect world, eating or getting a shake an hour pre is best for me, but that early, just not possible.

I see the recommendation is to to take 2 pre, then 1 cap later in the day. The blood sugar effects concern me a bit, I'm not diabetic or anything, but I do notice sometimes in the workout a bit of lightheadedness when I'm hitting it really hard. I usually back off for a minute or two and I'm fine.

I was thinking of taking 2 caps immediately post when I shower, then I make a green smoothie with protein and coconut oil about half an hour later on my way to work.

What would y'all recommend?
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I find it effects my blood sugar more than an GDA and found myself not having a good time even with pre-workout carbs or trying to play catch up with Gatorade at the gym and I tried numerous combinations of timing and been through many bottles so far. I personally dose it with meals 3-6 times a day around meal time. Even under higher carb weeks, I personally found that dosing pre-workout did not make any noticable difference in performance (and I would still run out of blood sugar. I just carry a few in my pocket. Seems like you just have to keep saturated for it to work.
 
I think it depends from person to person...
Normally I can feel when I'm going too hard and like you have to back off a bit...
I just take 50gr of oats with it.
It's the only carb source that I do with it...
Best thing is try and adjust accordingly...
 
Rebel1978 I definitely notice a hypoglycemic effect if I dose two caps pre workout without a decent amount of of carbs. 1 cap pre workout fasted is totally fine for me however. I've settled on dosing 1 cap pre workout if fasted, 2 if eating carbs, and then 1 cap twice more throughout the day. Just takes a little experimentation to see what works best for you.
 
omega_spartan said:
Caloric deficit or hormonal deficit?

Edit: Re read it. Going to assume hormonal deficit. Ill wait until I'm done this cycle in a week. Patience is key.
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Yup. Id wait till its over and you have run PCT. Or run it with a super stout PCT.
 
Rebel1978 said:
brundel Got a 2 pack in the Nutriverse sale, got a question.

I workout starting @ 0430 fasted drinking BCAA. Obviously time is an issue to not eating before, I also train better fasted than on a full stomach. In a perfect world, eating or getting a shake an hour pre is best for me, but that early, just not possible.

I see the recommendation is to to take 2 pre, then 1 cap later in the day. The blood sugar effects concern me a bit, I'm not diabetic or anything, but I do notice sometimes in the workout a bit of lightheadedness when I'm hitting it really hard. I usually back off for a minute or two and I'm fine.

I was thinking of taking 2 caps immediately post when I shower, then I make a green smoothie with protein and coconut oil about half an hour later on my way to work.

What would y'all recommend?
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I highly recommend getting some carbs in with the dose. Especially if its 2 caps.
If you cant then maybe take them with meals and not before training. Like 1 cap before Breakfast lunch and dinner.
Everyone is different but most people notice some hypoglycemic sides and in a few cases they can be severe like dizziness etc.
Fasted FD2 is probably not a good way to go.

My suggestions=
1. take some instant oatmeal and grind it up in a coffee grinder. Super fine. Mix this in with some Bcaas and pound it down 30 min before training.
The oatmeal will burn slowly while you train but its not like a huge meal in your stomach. You wont feel hungry but you wont feel overfull either.
PLus the added carbs will give you strength. I never train without 2 meals in me first.

2. take the FD2 with your meals and not around training.

The GDA effect is exceptionally strong.
 
Thank everyone for the responses. I'm excited to give this stuff a shot, it's supposed to be here tomorrow. I used version 1 and was impressed, so I'm thinking I'll respond well.
 
Rebel1978. Two caps before doesn't make me hypo, but I don't train fasted. I usually eat about 50 g carbs about 1 1/2 - 2 hrs before (large apple + granola bar + whey + almonds), dose fd2 with pwo 30 min out. Ran 1 bottle like this and it was good, but then I began adding intra carbs approx 30-40 grams and it's made a HUGE difference. Currently using waxy maize with bcaas and glutamine, but also had good results with smarties. That's right the candy . Pretty much straight dextrose and super cheap.
 
Smarties are a good idea. I've heard of several using them to help. I'd prefer to eat before, but with a 2 year old, a 3 month old, and a job, hitting it at 0400 to 0430 is about the only way I could get it done.
 
No diet change. Don't really log my macros. Try to hit 200+g of protein, try to stay away from sweet's , semi clean. At my age you have to live a little before you die. ? I am addicted to the iron. Also had a bad left shoulder that is starting to get a little better. Most muscle gains in the legs.
 
jt75 said:
Think you have issues dude if you understand his reasoning but are also repulsed by it
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Your statement is actually the one that doesnt make sense. There are many things i understand, yet repulse me. In fact, i could provide you with a very long list of things like this, but i wont bore you lol. Not sure why you are claiming he has problems..makes perfect sense to me. That was an unnecessary jab towards him, but whatever.
 
anabolix said:
Your statement is actually the one that doesnt make sense. There are many things i understand, yet repulse me. In fact, i could provide you with a very long list of things like this, but i wont bore you lol. Not sure why you are claiming he has problems..makes perfect sense to me. That was an unnecessary jab towards him, but whatever.
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Whatever
 
I went off FD2 while i was on some stuff. I'm back on 3 weeks and I keep telling myself - duuude! (i call myself dude sometimes); wth did you ever go off this?!
In 3 weeks I dropped my bloat, dropped about 2lbs of fat, and am keeping my strength gains up. What more could you ask?!
I did throw a 4th in on my 5 workout days. On the other 2 days I do the standard 3.
I'm loving this stuff - because it freakin works; truly beyond expectation!
 
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