first cycle

bignation

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10 weeks of testaplex e250 testosterone enanthate .5cc per injection 2x a week
my guy told me to add
trenagen100 trenbolone acetate injection USP .5cc every 2 days
at week 5 and stop when test runs out

what do you guys think?
 
no tren first cycle. so ur saying the guy is telling u to run 1 ml a week of test e? o boy..

for ur first cycle run the test e 250mg 2x a week for 10-12 weeks.

perfect first cycle. simple and effective.
 
yes, he is telling me to run 1ml of test e weekly, why do you say o boy?

i've been told no tren first cycle, why do people say that?

how do you thing the results would differ between the cycle that was suggested to me vs. the test only cycle?
 
he said i'm young enough where i wont need any pct, but said he would have clomid if i had a lot of sides from the cycle. what do you suggest?

ive done research, and most of the time i get responses that have no research behind them, which is why i asked the questions above. maybe you could help me as well.

i'm in my 4th week and i start the tren next week, which is why i was asking if someone had any alternative suggestions on how to use my gear.

still looking for answers to above questions to anyone with input and possible experience.
 
bignation said:
he said i'm young enough where i wont need any pct, but said he would have clomid if i had a lot of sides from the cycle. what do you suggest?

ive done research, and most of the time i get responses that have no research behind them, which is why i asked the questions above. maybe you could help me as well.

i'm in my 4th week and i start the tren next week, which is why i was asking if someone had any alternative suggestions on how to use my gear.

still looking for answers to above questions to anyone with input and possible experience.
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O Boy is right! If I were you Id ask him for the clomid right now and start your pct which YOU WILL NEED. you are not ready for this if you just go injecting stuff into your body that you have no idea what it does. You "guy" is both an ******* for letting you do this and a moron for telling you you wont need a pct. stop while you are ahead.
 
i say o boy cuz who ever you got ur stuff from is a ****ing idiot. u need a proper pct. doing 250mgs of test a week isn't going to give you significant gains either. ur first cycle is the one where u will notice more gains and possibly get ur best gains. u need to do more research. no tren for first cycle because it is possibly the harshest steroid to put in ur body.
 
hmm i find myself in quite the predicament..

what do you suggest i do with the test i have left and the tren.
also thanks for the info
 
it's simple, just start shooting 2mL of test a week and plan out a proper PCT. Start PCT 2 weeks after your last test inject. There's a lot of information about PCT on this forum. Use the search function.
 
thanks, he does some strength coaching with a semi pro team, i guess he's just misinforming me, and possibly others.

ive seen people that he's given cycle "tips" to that ended up with good results, but that was with test/ deca cycles, not test/tren..
 
but telling someone to run test/tren and then "you're young you don't need PCT" is irresponsible. Without PCT it will take a long time for your body to recover its natural test levels (if they can be reestablished naturally at all, you might just crash for months), you will feel ****ty, you will have a low libido, you will lose more gains.

I understand that back in the day people didn't PCT and in the long run they were still able to make gains but people were frigging retarded back in the day, we know a lot better now, and NOW you do PCT after every cycle.

No one recommends 250mg of test a week... it's just not enough. Especially when stacked with tren, more is needed. It's just stupid to recommend that dosing scheme.
 
UnrealMachine said:
but telling someone to run test/tren and then "you're young you don't need PCT" is irresponsible. Without PCT it will take a long time for your body to recover its natural test levels (if they can be reestablished naturally at all, you might just crash for months), you will feel ****ty, you will have a low libido, you will lose more gains.

I understand that back in the day people didn't PCT and in the long run they were still able to make gains but people were frigging retarded back in the day, we know a lot better now, and NOW you do PCT after every cycle.

No one recommends 250mg of test a week... it's just not enough. Especially when stacked with tren, more is needed. It's just stupid to recommend that dosing scheme.
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^ x2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
The OP is kinda tiny to be thinking about taking anything...at 6'4 195 u prolly shoot up to 230 but still be tiny...wow haven't been under 210 since h.s...how old are you???
 
what would the general consensus be to do at this point?
i have half a vial of test and a full tren, should i try and use then tren or just finish with test? and how should i change my dosages?
i'm appreciating the advice fellas

also, i'm 20
 
bignation said:
he said i'm young enough where i wont need any pct, but said he would have clomid if i had a lot of sides from the cycle. what do you suggest?

ive done research, and most of the time i get responses that have no research behind them, which is why i asked the questions above. maybe you could help me as well.

i'm in my 4th week and i start the tren next week, which is why i was asking if someone had any alternative suggestions on how to use my gear.

still looking for answers to above questions to anyone with input and possible experience.
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:boggled::icon_lol:

Bro, you always need a PCT, who ever you are buying from is ripping you off. and they are just selling you an extra vial and telling you it is all you need. You need 20 ml minimum ( 2 vials) and you should do a lot more research before you ask questions like this. Google Novice Steroid Cycle and you will learn everything you need to know.

You NEED NEED NEED a post cycle, the fact that your plug is telling you that you dont either means he is ripping you off and hurting your body or just as bad if not worse he does not know what the hell he is talking about. Best of luck.

If you dont understand what i am talking about google what i said. Plenty of people have asking the same thing as you.

bignation said:
what would the general consensus be to do at this point?
i have half a vial of test and a full tren, should i try and use then tren or just finish with test? and how should i change my dosages?
i'm appreciating the advice fellas

also, i'm 20
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Go buy some clomid from the guy, save the rest of the gear, and start your post cycle in 14 days. Do another cycle when you turn 21, and when you know what you are doing. You are just going to hurt your self and you are going to lose all your gains.
 
bignation said:
what would the general consensus be to do at this point?
i have half a vial of test and a full tren, should i try and use then tren or just finish with test? and how should i change my dosages?
i'm appreciating the advice fellas

also, i'm 20
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give/sell it to someone who is responsible enough to use it, or save it until ur a little older.
 
your guy is a dumb ass and it's either he aint no **** or he is selling you underdosed stuff. 1cc of test in a weeekkkkkk for a starter ???? lol add Tren too ?hahahah

man you need to do more researches
 
save and get enough for a complete cycle, test isnt magic and takes a while to kick in if you using C or E.

rather than saying how many CCs you gonna pin say the MG. diff labs have diff things even tho there are "standards"

ill go agains the grain here and say tren is fine but you should really know ur stuff before you start, its not like you get a 2nd chance if you screw up with it. Not bashing but just reading the questions it seems like you dont.

what you tring to accomplish w ur first cycle here first off. more than 1 way to skin a cat ya kno? ;)
 
i dont know crap about injectable cycles but i did google a novice steroid cycle and this is what 3 different sites showed :

Week Testosterone (Cypionate or Enanthate) (optional) Dianabol
1 400 mgs 20mg/per day
2 400 mgs 20mg/per day
3 400 mgs 20 mg/per day
4 400 mgs 20 mg/per day
5 400 mgs
6 400 mgs
7 400 mgs
8 400 mgs
9 400 mgs
10 400 mgs
11 400 mgs
12 400 mgs

didnt show any type of pct until you looked up a novice beginner cycle #2 that included a stack.. so whats up with that..your suppose to do pct with any cycle wether its novice or not so when telling him to do some research would make it confusing when it shows what i posted with no pct.
 
now if you type in beginner steroid cycle this is what i found..

Week Testosteroneenanthate or cypionate Dianabol Liquidex (Arimidex) Clomid (Clomiphene Citrate) IGF-1

1 500 mgs / week 20mgs / day 1mg / day
2 500 mgs / week 20mgs / day 1mg / day
3 500 mgs / week 20mgs / day 1mg / day
4 500 mgs / week 20mgs / day 1mg / day
5 500 mgs / week 0.5 mgs / day
6 500 mgs / week 0.5 mgs / day
7 500 mgs / week 0.5 mgs / day
8 500 mgs / week 0.5 mgs / day
9 500 mgs / week 0.5 mgs / day
10 500 mgs / week 0.5 mgs / day
11 500 mgs / week 0.5 mgs / day
12 500 mgs / week 0.5 mgs / day
13 OFF - POST CYCLE THERAPY (PCT) WEEK 14-18
14
(pct) 0.25 mgs / day 200 mgs / day 60 mcg/ day
15
(pct) 0.25 mgs / day 100 mgs/ day 40 mcg/ day
16
(pct) 0.25 mgs / EOD 50 mgs / day 40 mcg/ day
17
(pct) 0.25 mgs / EOD 25 mgs / day
18
(pct) 25 mgs/ day
19-31
(OFF)

*EOD = Every other day
*ED = Every day
* / week = per week
* / day = per day
 
jtnixit said:
i dont know crap about injectable cycles but i did google a novice steroid cycle and this is what 3 different sites showed :

Week Testosterone (Cypionate or Enanthate) (optional) Dianabol
1 400 mgs 20mg/per day
2 400 mgs 20mg/per day
3 400 mgs 20 mg/per day
4 400 mgs 20 mg/per day
5 400 mgs
6 400 mgs
7 400 mgs
8 400 mgs
9 400 mgs
10 400 mgs
11 400 mgs
12 400 mgs

didnt show any type of pct until you looked up a novice beginner cycle #2 that included a stack.. so whats up with that..your suppose to do pct with any cycle wether its novice or not so when telling him to do some research would make it confusing when it shows what i posted with no pct.
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^^^^
basic cycle pretyt much w test being 500mg and dbol little higher.

mainly cuz test e/c comes 250mg per ml.

all you need for pct is clomi 50mgs x 4 weeks, nothing crazy it works awesome :)
 
GeekPoop said:
^^^^
basic cycle pretyt much w test being 500mg and dbol little higher.

mainly cuz test e/c comes 250mg per ml.

all you need for pct is clomi 50mgs x 4 weeks, nothing crazy it works awesome :)
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geez the second one i posted had alot more in it..arimidex and igf-1 obviously that one seems like it would cost more..would it be better then the first one ?
 
jtnixit said:
geez the second one i posted had alot more in it..arimidex and igf-1 obviously that one seems like it would cost more..would it be better then the first one ?
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2nd one just has an AI being used, which most people will need to use anyways.

not sure about igf -1, never used it yet.

i wouldnt really say one is better than the other cuz i mean you take training + diet + dose and a million other variables into consideration when running a cycle.

you could always swap in other types of gear for more results. like anadrol = mass builder when winstrol = a hardener
 
cool like i said i dont know much about injectables but i do know that you have to do pct and its sad when you hear guys at the gym talkin about what they are takin and then you ask them what they are taking for pct and they say.."whats that ? " i just think its really messed up that that guy told him that hes young and wont need pct..thank god he came to this site and hopefully he will "LEARN TEACH LEAD "
 
jtnixit said:
cool like i said i dont know much about injectables but i do know that you have to do pct and its sad when you hear guys at the gym talkin about what they are takin and then you ask them what they are taking for pct and they say.."whats that ? " i just think its really messed up that that guy told him that hes young and wont need pct..thank god he came to this site and hopefully he will "LEARN TEACH LEAD "
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just gotta stay away form the dumb f ucks. theres always "that guy" running something at assenine doses and doing something ass backwards, always. i mean it isnt rocket science but you need some common sense lol
 
your right..if you dont really understand how something works and what its gonna do to you good or bad dont put it in your body until you have the right info..thank god for sites like this one most peeps on here are giving you the right info .
 
i appreciate everyone's input and help.
i had been looking around and that's why i became suspicious when i realized what i was working with. i got a lot of info and PM's from you guys and I think I'm going to quit before I really mess my body up. sounds like i got underdosed

clomid is going to be my best bet at this point or what
 
UnrealMachine said:
but telling someone to run test/tren and then "you're young you don't need PCT" is irresponsible. Without PCT it will take a long time for your body to recover its natural test levels (if they can be reestablished naturally at all, you might just crash for months), you will feel ****ty, you will have a low libido, you will lose more gains.

I understand that back in the day people didn't PCT and in the long run they were still able to make gains but people were frigging retarded back in the day, we know a lot better now, and NOW you do PCT after every cycle.

No one recommends 250mg of test a week... it's just not enough. Especially when stacked with tren, more is needed. It's just stupid to recommend that dosing scheme.
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i have got a pea size lump under my nipple from a dbol cycle, i can get hold of tamoxifen would this get rid of it???G
 
Finish your test cycle at 2ml a week for the remaining 8 weeks. Drop the tren you need to run test as a standalone to see how your body does with the changes its in store for. Tren on first cycle is a big no no that would be for an experienced individual. Start clomid at 2 weeks before last injection and run it with a natty test booster creatine pre workouts etc after your last injection.
 
crashcrash29 said:
Finish your test cycle at 2ml a week for the remaining 8 weeks. Drop the tren you need to run test as a standalone to see how your body does with the changes its in store for. Tren on first cycle is a big no no that would be for an experienced pinner. Start clomid at 2 weeks before last injection and run it with a natty test booster creatine pre workouts etc after your last injection.
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Ahem, clomid two weeks AFTER...
 
I was in the same situation when I was 20yrs old....Thank God that nothing bad happened to me!!! It sounds to me like your genetic make-up is to be tall and slender. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO BUILD MUSCLE!!

Being 20 is a blessing-Best advice that I could give would be to eat about 3000+ calories and work out hard for a year. After a year when you plateau, try a cycle of Dbol to improve your strength. As for now, use that year to educate yourself-if you quit working out before the year is up, juicing wouldn't help anything.

Nobody on here is trying to be a prick to you. We just don't want you to get hurt.
 
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