First cycle?
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Aaelael
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For your First cycle you should go for H-drol!! its a nice entry lvl PH. . .With H-drol with a solid diet plan and proper lifting you should be able to gain a solid 5-7lbs and eat up some Bf%. . .DIET IS KEY!!! you'll need roughly 2bottles of H-DROL and the average dosing looks like 50/50/75/75/75. . .for your first cycle i would go that route or 50/50/50/75/75. . . C.E.L. Assist with 8 caps. . .4 during the morning and 4 more 8 hrs after. . and C.E.L. PCT assist will have you set for a PCT. . 3-4wks for pct. . dose as bottle is recommended :deal:
gamer2be08
Banned
I would say tren, but im crazy like that...
Tren:
19-nor-60/90/90/90/90/120
PCT:
Clomid:50/50/50/50
testopro:0/0/4/4/4/4
lean xtreme:0/0/3/3/3/3
Tren:
19-nor-60/90/90/90/90/120
PCT:
Clomid:50/50/50/50
testopro:0/0/4/4/4/4
lean xtreme:0/0/3/3/3/3
jucedporkchop
New member
this really depends on goals and other factores but id say if it was me start out with somthing not to complicated. maybe not aas based off the bat. somthing like the SUPERDRONE MUSCLE STACK from pp or even the HARDCORE MUSCLE STACK (ORAL) from PP.(good kick and fairly mild)
and go on from there.
just remember diet and training is number 1# for growth not supps.
I dotn really know nuff about CEL to reccomentd somthign as i would be talking otu my ass, hopfully soemone with more exp with them can make a better input if your looking for only that company.
and go on from there.
just remember diet and training is number 1# for growth not supps.
I dotn really know nuff about CEL to reccomentd somthign as i would be talking otu my ass, hopfully soemone with more exp with them can make a better input if your looking for only that company.
JN230
Well-known member
definitely say h-drol softer, and you may be surprised as to the gains you can get form it, i jsut finished my cycle of The One and dermacrine LV with support supps of Liver Juice, Toco8 and hawthorne berry on hand if needed, i loved it up 12lbs have kept 7.5 of it, my next cycle will be the turniabol LV at 60mg/day for hopefully 6 weeks with topical dermacrine hoping to slab on some beef
dumbhick3
Member
Definitely don't do tren for your first cycle; it is way too problematic and may leave a bad taste in your mouth when it comes to PH/DS in general.
Definitely don't do superdrol or Superdrone LV or M-Drol or anything that contains superdrol for your first cycle either. It may leave a bad taste on your liver. Seriously, this is another semi-complicated/advanced substance and even the side of CEL's M-Drol says it is not suitable for a first pro-anabolic cycle (or something to that effect).
H-Drol by CEL or Turinabol LV by PP would be my recommendation. I've used CEL's H-Drol with good results and had bloodwork done and it is significantly less harsh on the system than most of the other PH/DS. I haven't used the Turinabol LV yet, but the feedback so far has been outstanding. If you go with it, start with the lowest recommended dose on the bottle and you can increase it after a few weeks into your cycle if you want to and are tolerating it ok. For H-Drol, the dosing previously posted would work well for a first cycle.
I would also suggest using Cycle Assist from CEL, front-loaded for 2 weeks prior to your cycle and run all the way through your cycle. That is 8 weeks or 2 bottles worth, but it's worth it. I use individual support ingredients for my cycles now, but there is nothing comparable to Cycle Assist in terms of value and effect IMO. And they have taken the guesswork out of it for you. Just take as directed, lol.
Last, I would suggest Liver Juice LV from PP (Primordial Performance) front-loaded for 2 weeks per above and run through your cycle and 2 weeks into your PCT. That is about 3 bottles I think, but it is the cheapest, potent liver protectant on the market IMO. It would have a nice synergystic effect with the Cycle Assist in keeping your liver nice and healthy during the cycle and during recovery in PCT. If you end up going with the Turinabol LV instead of the H-Drol, just get the Turinabol stack which comes with Liver Juice and save some dough. But even if you go with the H-Drol or already have it and decide to run it, I would still consider adding some Liver Juice to the cycle. H-Drol is usually pretty mild on the liver and lipids for a methylated steroid, but given that you have never run a cycle before, you don't know how your body is going to react to it. There is a lot of genetic variability and other factors.
For an H-Drol or Turinabol LV PCT, there are a lot of options here, esp. b/c PCT for H-Drol/Turin LV is a walk in the park compared to a tren PCT. Everyone has their own favorites for OTC and non-OTC PCTs (d@mn all these acronyms). For H-Drol/Turin LV, an OTC (over the counter) PCT will be fine. There is no need for a SERM IMO. Personally, I would just use the TRS (testosterone recovery stack) from PP. I've used it twice so far with good results both times. If you go with tren, you are going to need something like the TRS AND toremifene (or clomid if that is all you have access to; definitely not nolvadex after tren); so you would need a non-OTC PCT in other words (not exactly legal+more money). Tren shuts you down like nobody's business.
And get some bloodwork done too; at least once in the course of your cycle, maybe during PCT to make sure your liver and lipids are getting back to normal. If you are scared to tell your doctor that you are on the "juice" (that is legally sold at the shop down the street, lol) and get a bloodtest from him for cheap, then just google and find a private lab and go drop the $50 to get your liver function tested at a minimum. It would be unwise to not know how your liver is doing after you have finished a cycle, esp. if you are planning to run more of them.
Cycles aren't cheap, but livers cost a helluva lot more. In my humble and non-expert opinion, the more of the above advice you take (or can afford to take), the better off you will be.
Definitely don't do superdrol or Superdrone LV or M-Drol or anything that contains superdrol for your first cycle either. It may leave a bad taste on your liver
. Seriously, this is another semi-complicated/advanced substance and even the side of CEL's M-Drol says it is not suitable for a first pro-anabolic cycle (or something to that effect).H-Drol by CEL or Turinabol LV by PP would be my recommendation. I've used CEL's H-Drol with good results and had bloodwork done and it is significantly less harsh on the system than most of the other PH/DS. I haven't used the Turinabol LV yet, but the feedback so far has been outstanding. If you go with it, start with the lowest recommended dose on the bottle and you can increase it after a few weeks into your cycle if you want to and are tolerating it ok. For H-Drol, the dosing previously posted would work well for a first cycle.
I would also suggest using Cycle Assist from CEL, front-loaded for 2 weeks prior to your cycle and run all the way through your cycle. That is 8 weeks or 2 bottles worth, but it's worth it. I use individual support ingredients for my cycles now, but there is nothing comparable to Cycle Assist in terms of value and effect IMO. And they have taken the guesswork out of it for you. Just take as directed, lol.
Last, I would suggest Liver Juice LV from PP (Primordial Performance) front-loaded for 2 weeks per above and run through your cycle and 2 weeks into your PCT. That is about 3 bottles I think, but it is the cheapest, potent liver protectant on the market IMO. It would have a nice synergystic effect with the Cycle Assist in keeping your liver nice and healthy during the cycle and during recovery in PCT. If you end up going with the Turinabol LV instead of the H-Drol, just get the Turinabol stack which comes with Liver Juice and save some dough. But even if you go with the H-Drol or already have it and decide to run it, I would still consider adding some Liver Juice to the cycle. H-Drol is usually pretty mild on the liver and lipids for a methylated steroid, but given that you have never run a cycle before, you don't know how your body is going to react to it. There is a lot of genetic variability and other factors.
For an H-Drol or Turinabol LV PCT, there are a lot of options here, esp. b/c PCT for H-Drol/Turin LV is a walk in the park compared to a tren PCT. Everyone has their own favorites for OTC and non-OTC PCTs (d@mn all these acronyms). For H-Drol/Turin LV, an OTC (over the counter) PCT will be fine. There is no need for a SERM IMO. Personally, I would just use the TRS (testosterone recovery stack) from PP. I've used it twice so far with good results both times. If you go with tren, you are going to need something like the TRS AND toremifene (or clomid if that is all you have access to; definitely not nolvadex after tren); so you would need a non-OTC PCT in other words (not exactly legal+more money). Tren shuts you down like nobody's business.
And get some bloodwork done too; at least once in the course of your cycle, maybe during PCT to make sure your liver and lipids are getting back to normal. If you are scared to tell your doctor that you are on the "juice" (that is legally sold at the shop down the street, lol) and get a bloodtest from him for cheap, then just google and find a private lab and go drop the $50 to get your liver function tested at a minimum. It would be unwise to not know how your liver is doing after you have finished a cycle, esp. if you are planning to run more of them.
Cycles aren't cheap, but livers cost a helluva lot more. In my humble and non-expert opinion, the more of the above advice you take (or can afford to take), the better off you will be.
gamer2be08
Banned
If you take tren your preferred serm is clomid.. And you dont want to take a serm during your cycle either. Look into p-5-p, l-dopa and vitx for any prolactin sides..
dumbhick3
Member
I beg to differ, lol. SERM choices are highly personal of course though.
I'd say toremifene is the #1 SERM for tren cycles and has the added benefit of being just as good for non-tren cycles. Save money, less sides, etc.
For tren cycles, I rank clomid #2, and again for tren, nolva is a distant #3-avoid it with tren PCTs at all costs. You will thank yourself later.
Torem is king of PCT SERMs IMO; and Ralox is king of gyno control SERMs IMO (with torem at #2, and nolva at #3, with nolva having the most sides and being least desireable).
For the person who asked:
Nolvadex can upregulate the PR (progesterone receptor), increasing your sensitivity to progestin steroid cycles (like tren, trenbolone, nandrolone, etc) and increasing your chances of progesterone gyno post-PCT.
dumbhick3
Member
It's not rocket science, but it is a common subject on here (and other boards), and each SERM has some relative pros and cons.
Thinking does not always equal overthinking. Lack of thinking on the other hand leads to stupid behavior and all sorts of other tragedies in general.
Suffice to say that individual choice of SERMs for PCT is highly personal and variable. I've merely stated my own view of them.