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Fat guys and Roids

SilkPhantom said:
This thread makes me laugh...thankx for all the input guys :cheers:

So now that we have established, at least somewhat, that test can be helpful in aiding fat guys to lose weight, what kind of cycle are talking about here? I would imagine it would look different from the standard cutting and bulking cycles. Can we talk about which compounds and in what dosages/duration would best serve this purpose?

I wonder if cycles of steroids for fat-loss would be built around substances like EQ and Winny as opposed to test, and run at longer durations like 16-20 weeks so that the body can undergo tissue transformation?
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Leaving test out of any cycle is a big mistake in my opinion....

eq- bad choice .. fat guys get hungry, eq makes you VERY hungry

any other substance winny, var, masteron, tren may be beneficial but then that leads me to ask you.. out of these which one(s) actually promote the fat loss? and which ones are for hardening, etc?

out of all those tren would be my best bet for cutting bodyfat.
But i do not in any way shape or form recommend using tren if your obese.

So that would lead be to say that a test only cycle would be my choice.. if i were to put an obese person on steroids.. which i would never do in the first place..

hope this is understandable :)
 
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why did i come back to this thread?!? I figured it would be off track still... but not that bad lol :jaw:
 
UMMM. I feel obligated to chime in here becuase i was the one who made the comment about neo corecting peoples spelling... it was a joke and i had no intentions on people fighting over it. I genneraly tend to write the same way as trip (IN CAPITALS AND.... BETWEEN SENTENCES) but after a few remarks form neo i have tried to use lower cases... aparently he doesnt like capital letters. this was intended to be funny but now neo doesnt have much love and he is questioning tripps estrogen level(dont worry trip i see no water rettention at all;) ) it seems out of control
 
Jayhawkk said:
Okay people, get a grip and relax. Don't make me level some Jaymod Justice™
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:box:

I mean, it wouldnt be any "harsh" justice right, because I have 2 cats to feed....and some fish to look after.

I mean you dont look like the harsh type from your avatar, more like a soft, cuddly bear who sees puzzles and crosswords as too voilent (trying to put those pieces or words together brings out the worst in everyone)....and also loves to sleep on a soft pink bed with his favorite teddy.

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Jayhawkk said:
I was hit on by a gay guy last weekend who called me a big pussy teadybear...lol
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LMFAO

Reminds me of the time me and a buddy of mine were left behind at a popular club here. Actually, the other 3 people we were with got tossed out for being drunken asses.

Long story short we were at the bar bs'ing with a friend who was a bartender, and doing shots of Irish Whiskey.

Cute girl walks up, starts talking to us, then she stops and says "Wait...you two aren't....you know.."

And my friend looks at her and says "Ah, no, we're not gay."

Apparently we looked THAT good that night.
 
I dont think your telling us the whole story Jayhawkk. I mean if you went out looking like this, what did you expect?!

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:jaw: Is that really a chick in that pic?? or is that edited??
 
bodyfat scale

MashedPotato said:
just reminded me how my "bodyfat" scales say i have 34.5% BF, yet I can see my abs and can bearly pinch an ounce....
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I'm guessing you put your height and age into your scale so it's getting your BMI? Haha, well according to my BMI I'm morbidly obese and should die soon. . . but I'm in b/w 10-11%
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EasyEJL said:
So what do we think? testosterone (including 1T?) likely to be the best bet in this scenario?
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I guess that's what everyone here has been saying. I think the biggest factor in the success of using roids to cut body fat on specifically someone who is overwight might be in the length of the cycle...if you put a fat guy on a 12 week testosterone cycle and have him working out and doing cardio the whole way, he's going to lose fat regardless of roids. I mean, 3 months of training for someone with a lot of excess fat would go a long way whether he juiced or not. The question is how much a difference would the Injectable Testosterone make, whether it be from a psychological advantage or chemical action?

I think length is key to body recomposition. If you just give a fat guy M1test, he'll gain muscle like everyone else but a 3 week cycle won't cut the fat like a 12-16 testosterone or EQ cycle would.
 
all the experts agree as well that slowly loosing the fat while gaining muscle is preferable to loosing lots of fat quickly. the more muscle that gets added, the more calories used as base rate. so adding test to that equation would conceivably add 15lbs in those 12 weeks. Forgetting the controversy over exactly how much more it would add, even if every lb only uses 20 more (rather than the 50-100 frequently quoted) than a lb of fat, it still means 300 more calories a day burned, which will make future progress easier.
 
EasyEJL,

The only problem that comes to mind is that a fat guy probably doesnt work out regularly. So would he need to workout for a few weeks before going on this roided out fat loss program or does it not matter that u give testosterone to someone who hasnt been training beforehand. I mean, ignoring the injury risks of poor technique, what is the effect of testosterone on previously untrained muscles? Just quicker growth and progress? Because it seems like this is actually a pretty good idea and would even help minimize loose skin that comes from weightloss since your replacing voided space with muscles.
 
I'd think you'd want at least 3-6 months of training first, to get technique + form down, and also get the most of free gains, as that is the easiest gains you'd ever get. Also that is time to really get control of diet as well.
 
tparisi said:
MashedPotato said:
just reminded me how my "bodyfat" scales say i have 34.5% BF, yet I can see my abs and can bearly pinch an ounce....
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I'm guessing you put your height and age into your scale so it's getting your BMI? Haha, well according to my BMI I'm morbidly obese and should die soon. . . but I'm in b/w 10-11%
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yeah i did lol.... no matter how much I cut or gain my BF is in the "Obese" range....and im always dehydrated...

Basically according to my scales im:

34.5% fat
46.5% Water
17% pure genius
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What about if the guy has low testesterone levels at age 45 and does TRT to up levels to around 900-1000? Surely that would help him lose weight as his body will be performing as if it is 18 years old. Say a test e or prop with arimidex combo while on a sensible diet.
 
1. This thread was 10 years old

2. Test at those levels (above range) is not TRT, just to clarify that

3. TRT can actually cause weight gain in many, but also help with lean mass so long term fat % should drop. This can vary if appetite is also effected by the TRT

4. With arimidex you're negating some if the concerns of cycling from an overweight starting point but not all of them. No idea what your BF% is but I always suggest cutting naturally first
 
anoxicblaze said:
What about if the guy has low testesterone levels at age 45 and does TRT to up levels to around 900-1000? Surely that would help him lose weight as his body will be performing as if it is 18 years old. Say a test e or prop with arimidex combo while on a sensible diet.
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Driven2lift said:
1. This thread was 10 years old

2. Test at those levels (above range) is not TRT, just to clarify that

3. TRT can actually cause weight gain in many, but also help with lean mass so long term fat % should drop. This can vary if appetite is also effected by the TRT

4. With arimidex you're negating some if the concerns of cycling from an overweight starting point but not all of them. No idea what your BF% is but I always suggest cutting naturally first
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Hmm, yeah, reducing weight/BF without the use of drugs is the responsible general recommendation.

However, if it were me, Id certainly seriously consider the trt option if I were also experiencing low-t symptoms.

I mean, eating a kcal deficit can be hard enough as it is, without having pre-existing low-t symptoms further compounding the misery.

Id do a basic blood panel first (lipids, cbc, etc) to double check for any potential health concerns prior, and regularly monitor BP
 
when I got on trt, it helped me lose 20lbs very quickly. But I wasn't seriously overweight, just about 20% bf.

getting your levels normalized will definitely help out, but you have to be careful cause if
your really fat, estrogen will be a major concern.
 
I gained 15 pretty quick when I got on TRT

But I was 10% or so when I started it lol so not comparable to this
 
In a way TRT is a life thing, not a cycle thing so it kind of makes sense to me that it doesn't matter when you start it. If your t is low you really need to jump on that horse asap. In my opinion.
 
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