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Fat Burner for the Girlfriend...

My girlfriend is looking to maybe pick up on a fat burner. The last fat burner I used was MAN Scorch about a year ago. I keep myself familiarized with most types of products, but I'm not too sure what would best suit her...

I hear PAL Leviathan RL works well for women. And as an added bonus, the tribulus in it boosts their libido. I've personally used the original Leviathan with great results. Solid product. But again, it's not for me.

I've also heard VPX Meltdown works well too. I've tried a sample of it, but I honestly don't know the point of "sampling" a fat-burner. I mean, the only real way to see if it works well is to actually run through a bottle or 2.

With all that being said, what do you guys recommend to be the most effective fat burner for women? I don't want her to have to spend a fortune either. So, throw out some "best bang for the buck" products as well. Not necessarily opposed to going the bulk product route either... Thanks in advance.
 
It'd be nice to know some more detail about her stats and goals, but without more information I'd tell her to start with sesamin/sesathin and/or DCP.

I'm not a big fan of stim based FB's though.

I've had great luck with sesamin, CLA and DCP...no stim but great results!
 
...plus, sesamin is cheap
 
She's 5'9 ~145lbs. She's already lost about 20lbs, but now she's having trouble getting that last little bit off. She hits the gym anywhere from 3-5x a week, but more often than not 4x a week. She spends about a half hour lifting light weight. Generally 2-3 sets of 12-15 reps. Then she'll go on the elliptical for a half hour or so....
 
My girlfriend is looking to maybe pick up on a fat burner. The last fat burner I used was MAN Scorch about a year ago. I keep myself familiarized with most types of products, but I'm not too sure what would best suit her...

I hear PAL Leviathan RL works well for women. And as an added bonus, the tribulus in it boosts their libido. I've personally used the original Leviathan with great results. Solid product. But again, it's not for me.

I've also heard VPX Meltdown works well too. I've tried a sample of it, but I honestly don't know the point of "sampling" a fat-burner. I mean, the only real way to see if it works well is to actually run through a bottle or 2.

With all that being said, what do you guys recommend to be the most effective fat burner for women? I don't want her to have to spend a fortune either. So, throw out some "best bang for the buck" products as well. Not necessarily opposed to going the bulk product route either... Thanks in advance.

Is her diet in check? Because if it isn't getting a fat burner should not be the priority. Diet is the KEY to fat loss.

Otherwise, any fat burner that works for a male is going to work for a female. As long as you know what ingredients are effective, you can look at the ingredient profile of a fat burner and tell whether it will work or not.

Several fat burners that I would recommend (from personal use) are:
* Hot Rox Extreme
* Lean Xtreme
* Drive/RPM stack
* Lipotrophin-AM/Lipotrophin-PM stack

Fat burners that I would recommend (from their profiles) are:
* Shred Matrix
* VPX Meltdown
* Leviathan Reloaded
* DCP

Another product that I highly recommend is IGF-2. When I used this I GAINED muscle mass (which will help her lose fat faster because of the increase in metabolism) AND stayed relatively lean (and I maintain ~10% BF (never higher than 12% BF) all year round). More muscle also looks a whole lot better than just being lean and 'skinny'.

8 weeks is about what you would want to use a fat burner for. No more than 12 weeks.


She's 5'9 ~145lbs. She's already lost about 20lbs, but now she's having trouble getting that last little bit off. She hits the gym anywhere from 3-5x a week, but more often than not 4x a week. She spends about a half hour lifting light weight. Generally 2-3 sets of 12-15 reps. Then she'll go on the elliptical for a half hour or so....

Good on her for losing all that. At 5'9" and 145lb, she would not have a lot left to lose. She shouldn't be so concerned with weight, since she's ALREADY at an acceptable and healthy weight for her height. Try to move her focus from 'weight' to 'body composition'.

For training I would recommend that she step up the pace with her weights, and lifts for 30-40 minutes, full-body (if she isn't already). Get her lifting as heavy as she can. Also no need to do cardio AFTER lifting. Get her to do it on alternate days, and increase the intensity (i.e. HIIT training works well), so that she's doing no more trhan 20-30 minutes of cardio.

So long as her diet is in check and she's training hard and recovering appropriately, then the fat burner will help her get the last off.
 
My wife has been taking dcp for about a month now and has had great success with it. She is actually getting ready to add in some green tea for some boost with it. You may want to try that.
 
Recreate is a low-stim fat burner with great craving suppression and increase in thyroid output.
 
Is her diet in check? Because if it isn't getting a fat burner should not be the priority. Diet is the KEY to fat loss.

I'm working on helping her out here. I try to explain to her that she needs to eat more often but smaller portions. She's having trouble comprehending more = less. And since I'm bulking on PH cycle right now, I can't help illustrate that to her.

Plus she's afraid of carbs. That drives me nuts. I try to explain that whole grains and oats are great for the first half of the day. After that high fiber veggies are best...

Good on her for losing all that. At 5'9" and 145lb, she would not have a lot left to lose. She shouldn't be so concerned with weight, since she's ALREADY at an acceptable and healthy weight for her height. Try to move her focus from 'weight' to 'body composition'.

For training I would recommend that she step up the pace with her weights, and lifts for 30-40 minutes, full-body (if she isn't already). Get her lifting as heavy as she can. Also no need to do cardio AFTER lifting. Get her to do it on alternate days, and increase the intensity (i.e. HIIT training works well), so that she's doing no more trhan 20-30 minutes of cardio.

I'm not going to lie, she has a rather different body shape. Kind of egg-shaped if you will. Very petite up top (small shoulder frame, arms, neck, rib-cage, etc.) and down low as well (mid to low thigh down - very petite). Her mid-section (stomach, sides, upper thighs and ass) is where she holds most of her size. But it has definitely shown tremendous progress with her recent weight (fat) loss.

That brings me to another point. She's one of those people that's stuck on the idea that WEIGHT is so important to go by. I try explaining to her that there isn't necessarily ANY correlation between losing weight and dropping body fat. You can lose weight and gain fat. Alternatively, you can gain weight and REDUCE body fat. Granted she's more concerned with body fat in regards to physical appearance. She just attributes fat loss to weight loss, which is a common misconception. I'm just trying to instill these important pieces of knowledge into her mind so that she can do all this properly and live a more healthy lifestyle overall...

How often would you recommend full-body lifting per week? How many exercises, sets, reps per body part? And I absolutely love HIIT for fat loss. It's straight and to the point. Nothing compares IMO. I'll have to explain the idea to her and when I get a chance, head over to her gym with her to show her how to successfully do HIITs...
 
I'm working on helping her out here. I try to explain to her that she needs to eat more often but smaller portions. She's having trouble comprehending more = less. And since I'm bulking on PH cycle right now, I can't help illustrate that to her.

Get her to read this!!!

ROSIE'S DIET TIPS FOR FAT LOSS

1. First, you need to work out what your MAINTENANCE calories are (There are various methods and equations that you can use to calculate this; most take into account current body mass, height, and activity level). Then, to lose fat, you need to make sure that you’re having up to 500 calories LESS than maintenance. Depending on how fast or slow you lose the fat, you can adjust and tweak your calorie intake each week.
2. Eat every 2-3 hours after waking. This helps keep the metabolism going throughout the day, as well as keeping insulin levels stable (so, you can see that 3 meals is simply NOT enough, even small portions).
3. EVERY meal should have complex carbohydrates [CHO] (i.e. kumara, rice, oats, etc.), QUALITY LEAN protein (chicken breast, fish, tuna, salmon, lean beef, egg whites, etc.), and FIBROUS CHO (i.e. vegetables, green ones in particular).
4. Drink 4.5 litres of water per day. This will help keep the system clean.
5. It has been proven that TWO servings of DAIRY per day helps lose MORE fat than if one avoids it altogether.
6. Do NOT avoid fat (The only fat she should be avoiding is Saturated fat and Trans fats). You NEED fat in your diet, as fat plays major roles in energy metabolism and other parts of your body (Wardlaw & Hampl, 2007). Make sure to have at least 30 grams of GOOD fats (i.e. flaxseeds or flaxseed oil, fish oils, peanut butter, nuts - especially almonds and walnuts, hempseed oil, olive oil, etc.) per day (i.e. this is ~2 tbsp of flaxseed oil or peanut butter).
7. Don’t drink tea or coffee. Try drinking GREEN tea instead; it helps with thermogenesis, and is especially good if you take it one hour before doing cardio first thing in the morning.
8. Don’t drink alcohol. Alcohol has NO nutritional value and is full of calories.
9. Minimize adding salt to food. Instead, flavour a meal with herbs and spices (i.e. ginger, cumin, cayenne pepper, curry powder, chilli powder, and garlic all help thermogenesis a bit).
10. The only sugar needed on a regular basis is the NATURAL sugars found in food; these are mostly found in fruit. Too much sugar plays havoc with insulin levels and these should be as stable as possible throughout the day. The best time to be having sugar is straight AFTER a RESISTANCE workout, when the body is trying to replenish muscle glycogen stores (Burke, 2006).
11. Do NOT avoid CHO. You NEED at least 50-100 grams of CHO per day for your body to burn fat effectively. A good guideline is to have at least 1 gram of CHO per kg of body mass per day as a MINIMUM (Burke, 2006).
12. Eat most food as 'natural' as possible. This means fresh fruit and vegetables, meat, grains, etc. Try not to eat too much packaged food, as it is full of extra calories and sugar.
13. Most importantly, remember that it IS OK TO CHEAT every now and then. Actually the body NEEDS cheat meals and day. By throwing all the guidelines I have just mentioned above out of the way and having a day where you eat what you want it helps, and will also help prevent your body from going into starvation mode (where the body battles you to hold onto the fat as much as it can). If you prefer NOT to ‘cheat’, then adding in 1-2 higher CALORIE days (i.e. go up to Maintenance, or even Bulking, or even slightly higher), with the extra calories coming from quality COMPLEX CHO, you should be ok.

Supplements should NOT be a big deal, as most fat loss can be done through simply eating the right food at the right time. And unless everything that you’re doing is already done to ensure the maximum results in the timeframe that you want to achieve it in, and then supplementation should not be the focus. However, there ARE a few supplements that I think are important to any regime:

1. A multivitamin. (Although you should be eating as much of a variety of food as possible, in order to meet the RDI/AI of most nutrients from actual food).
2. Creatine monohydrate. Creatine helps the body to recover faster, as well as aiding in increasing strength levels and lean body mass [LBM].
3. Flaxseed/Hempseed/Fish Oil. This is the GOOD fats. Flaxseed or Hempseed oil is great with breakfast or in protein shakes.
4. Protein Powder. This just helps for the in-between meals, or after the gym, and to make sure that you get enough protein in (You should be having 1-1.5 grams of protein per kg of body mass per day; this is so that muscle loss is prevented, and can even assist in small gains in LBM).

Apart from these 4 ‘base’ supplements, you don’t need a lot (supplements are just a way for companies to make money. You can do everything without them!). And forget about using fat-burners or thermogenics; they are a waste of time unless you are ALREADY lean and are looking for that ‘extra edge’ to lose the last 1-2% bodyfat (i.e. like a fitness competitor, etc.)



Plus she's afraid of carbs. That drives me nuts. I try to explain that whole grains and oats are great for the first half of the day. After that high fiber veggies are best...

Well you need to drill it into her that carbohydrates (CHO) are NOT the enemy. You CAN eat CHO and LOSE bodyfat (BF). In fact your body NEEDS CHO (glycogen is the ONLY fuel your brain uses). Low CHO diets or cutting out CHO is as stupid as low calories, IMO. C'mon, I eat as much as most of you guys here and I have no problems (even when I'm NOT able to do resistance training) staying lean.


I'm not going to lie, she has a rather different body shape. Kind of egg-shaped if you will. Very petite up top (small shoulder frame, arms, neck, rib-cage, etc.) and down low as well (mid to low thigh down - very petite). Her mid-section (stomach, sides, upper thighs and ass) is where she holds most of her size. But it has definitely shown tremendous progress with her recent weight (fat) loss.

If that's the case, then she REALLY needs to get her diet in check, because that last lot of BF is NOT going to go until she does. And at 5'9" at 145lb I doubt that she has much size ANYwhere, to be honest (she will be petite and slender all over).


That brings me to another point. She's one of those people that's stuck on the idea that WEIGHT is so important to go by. I try explaining to her that there isn't necessarily ANY correlation between losing weight and dropping body fat. You can lose weight and gain fat. Alternatively, you can gain weight and REDUCE body fat. Granted she's more concerned with body fat in regards to physical appearance. She just attributes fat loss to weight loss, which is a common misconception. I'm just trying to instill these important pieces of knowledge into her mind so that she can do all this properly and live a more healthy lifestyle overall...

Weight should NEVER be the focus (I may be lean, but on the scales I am heavier than I look). Body composition should be the concentration. Weight loss is not ALWAYS fat loss (and for many females, it often is a lot of muscle as well as fat, especially if they are dieting; and considering that most do NOT have much muscle to begin with; well, you get the picture...)


How often would you recommend full-body lifting per week? How many exercises, sets, reps per body part? And I absolutely love HIIT for fat loss. It's straight and to the point. Nothing compares IMO. I'll have to explain the idea to her and when I get a chance, head over to her gym with her to show her how to successfully do HIITs...

I would recommend full-body 2-3 times per week, with a day (at least) between each session. Stick to the compound, multijoint lifts (i.e. power clean squat, deadlift, bench press, pull-ups, bent over row, dips, shoulder press), as they use more than one muscle, and are the most effective for not only building muscle, but also in burning fat, because they are recruiting more of the body to perform the exercise than isolation exercises (these are a waste of time unless you are looking for a pump close to competition, really). I'd recommend 1 exercise per body-part per session, with 2-3 sets of 6-15 reps. Look through my log (the start) for a ideas on Full-Body sessions (don't copy them, since she wouldn't do that; but you can adapt some); the circuit sessions would be good for her.
 
Lean xtreme, DCP, Shred are all good products but diet Is also the key. I've had friends that have had good runs with these products and most of the ones listed above.
 
Lean xtreme, DCP, Shred are all good products but diet Is also the key. I've had friends that have had good runs with these products and most of the ones listed above.

No doubt about that...My Shred Matrix got taken by Customs :( (Just means I have to wait until I am over there to try it)...But yeah, if the diet is not right, a fat burner is just a waste of money...


You are amazing, Guejsn.

Thank you. Just doing my part to get the females on track!
 
what about a topical 7 keto mix? I always got great results of it. I can't see why it would not work for a women.
 
its a heart attack in a bottle but i know a chic on hydroxycut and she claims it works
(needless to say i didn't ask her for her weight or how much she's lost)
 
its a heart attack in a bottle but i know a chic on hydroxycut and she claims it works
(needless to say i didn't ask her for her weight or how much she's lost)

Hydroxycut is no more potent than some of the other effective fat burners out there. And ANYTHING will work if one's diet is targeted at fat loss and training is being done (resistance training in particular).
 
what about a topical 7 keto mix? I always got great results of it. I can't see why it would not work for a women.

Is that just a topical fat burner? I've always heard that those are only really effective if you have really low BF% to begin with...
 
ShiftCapone, pretty much any multivitamin is going to be good for a female. I would however recommend that you get one with NO iron is, since most people get too much iron in their diet and/or the iron competes with the other vitamins/minerals (particularly calcium) for absorption (i.e. never get a multivitamin with BOTH calcium and iron in, or ever take a calcium supplement with a meal containing iron and vice versa).

The best multivitamin I have seen and used to date is MHP's Activite Sport.
 
Ive used Hot Rox will some pretty good results.

Speaking of which im starting no2 black tomorrow. Should i be discontinuing my Hot Rox? I have about a week left, but id assume the caffine in the hot rox would counter the hemodilators...

hate to waste the pills though.
 
ShiftCapone, pretty much any multivitamin is going to be good for a female. I would however recommend that you get one with NO iron is, since most people get too much iron in their diet and/or the iron competes with the other vitamins/minerals (particularly calcium) for absorption (i.e. never get a multivitamin with BOTH calcium and iron in, or ever take a calcium supplement with a meal containing iron and vice versa).

Good multivitamins I recommed are MHP's Activite Sport (the best I have seen so far) and AN's Compete-Balance.

That's sort of contradictory....recommending AN's Complete-Balance and all. It's actually one of the only multis I've looked into with both Calcium and Iron. I personally wouldn't take it any multi with Iron in it as I've come across a good amount of research that suggests too much Iron is particularly bad for males.

But I guess I was mainly just wondering if there was anything in particular that I should look for (or anything I should stray away form) in a multi for a woman... So, thank you for clearing that up for me.
 
That's sort of contradictory....recommending AN's Complete-Balance and all. It's actually one of the only multis I've looked into with both Calcium and Iron. I personally wouldn't take it any multi with Iron in it as I've come across a good amount of research that suggests too much Iron is particularly bad for males.

But I guess I was mainly just wondering if there was anything in particular that I should look for (or anything I should stray away form) in a multi for a woman... So, thank you for clearing that up for me.

Corrected.

I recommended that because I'm using it right now. But also because I am not getting a lot of iron anymore from my food (it's pretty much ALL the iron I am getting, which is all I need, since I have higher than the normal highest value of stored iron and too much iron is toxic for me); and am getting loads of calcium (used to be the other way around, and I was supplementing with calcium).

You wouldn't want to take a multivitamin with too much iron in in general though, because most people do NOT need to supplement with iron, as they get more than enough from their diet; and too much iron can be toxic. Females on the other hand need to supplement with iron, but they're better off getting it from meat (i.e. haem iron).

The best multivitamin I have seen to date though is MHP's Activite Sport (it's also a little more expensive). Just depends on what you're willing to pay. Even the NOW Adam multivitamin would be ok for a female to use.
 
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