I am not obese and have used it and have noticed extra fat loss and harness to my muscles, i look much dryer even using just 2 pumps per day.
Where did Coop blow this up? Interested to see what he has to say - but he also claimed Diablo was under dosed on another forum until Shift came out, then suddenly it was much more inline and Shift was adequately dosed. The formulas are very similar, and most of the dosing is similar, although shift may have an edge. Coop seems like a good guy and I respect his knowledge - it is valuable beyond belief - but I don't take it as gospel and I don't think Coop expects anyone on here to take it as gospel...even though many do.I used a bottle, noticed no effects throughout other than perhaps a bit of a warm sensation during the hottest month of summer. Was going to give it another chance until coop blew it up and BLR had no rebuttal.
All the current logs are by obese guys so...
I choose not to engage with competitors trying to slander us.I used a bottle, noticed no effects throughout other than perhaps a bit of a warm sensation during the hottest month of summer. Was going to give it another chance until coop blew it up and BLR had no rebuttal.
All the current logs are by obese guys so...
Doesnt make me hot either. And overheating is not one of its benefits. Its just something alot of people had mentioned.Also - don't get me wrong - I didn't really notice much heat from it either. It certainly isn't a "blow torch", and I hate to call Brundel out on that because he's made a great product and I like his style, but it is effective.
I agree. Best way.I choose not to engage with competitors trying to slander us.
If you choose not to use our products thats ok. Your call.
Good points! I get bloods done regularly (2-4 months) and it only costs me $39 bucks. I have medical insurance, but my doctor and I dont even use it. She has a set up with Atherotech where it only cost patient 39 bucks no matter what. Its a nice set up. If your interested in getting bloodwork done you can ask your doctor about them.Where did Coop blow this up? Interested to see what he has to say - but he also claimed Diablo was under dosed on another forum until Shift came out, then suddenly it was much more inline and Shift was adequately dosed. The formulas are very similar, and most of the dosing is similar, although shift may have an edge. Coop seems like a good guy and I respect his knowledge - it is valuable beyond belief - but I don't take it as gospel and I don't think Coop expects anyone on here to take it as gospel...even though many do.
I guess I'm obese. That is good. Most supps out there tell people not to even bother until they are already lean, because the results are so subtle/non-existent that anyone with any fat will not even see the results. I am not saying this stuff is magic - but it's definitely better than most things out there.
I have no way of knowing if it is an effective AI, I don't get blood work. Would love to see someone test this though, and I'd be willing to test it too if someone would pay for the labs...
I agree. Best way.
We don't hype or bash anyone. We let our products speak for themselves.
I did-after a letrone run. I will post the log when I get home. Had great results. Highly recommend.Anyone ran Exotherm only ??
Still have 6 bottles of Formeron. Just thought I'd give the shiny new toy a spin. FWIW Erase/Erase Pro do nothing for me eitherI choose not to engage with competitors trying to slander us.
If you choose not to use our products thats ok. Your call.
I think that would be too much estrogen suppression. Exemestane would be a good back up in case Exo wasn't strong enough for whatever you plan to run but concurrently probably not a good idea IMO.Can you use this alongside Aromasin or will this be too much estro supression? brundel
Dang! 6 Formerons? Nice stash. I have 1 leftStill have 6 bottles of Formeron. Just thought I'd give the shiny new toy a spin. FWIW Erase/Erase Pro do nothing for me either
I ran it as my only fat burner along with my staples - vitamin C, fish oil, protein powders, multi, etc. I take a lot of stuff - but Exotherm was my only fat burner and only non-staple, and it worked, which is more than I say about most fat burners.Anyone ran Exotherm only ??
Can't see why not. I've used Reduce XT several times. For me it's one of those you can't really feel working. Exotherm is extremely noticeable in my experience. Both have their own benefits that will help with better overall composition.You think Exotherm and reduce xt would stack well together?
You certainly could, but what are your goals with that stack?So excited to run this I just got mine in the mail. Trying to decide if I should add this to my ABE, reduce xt, Epicatechin and laxogenin stack lol
I've been going up in weight and slightly increasing cardio so I would say... Recomp.You certainly could, but what are your goals with that stack?
I have used all 3 and I prefer Exo. Erase and EP are good, but from my experience Exotherm is more potent and extremely effective at cutting and drying out.Is this better than Erase? Erase pro
If using a dry compound I think it would work synergistically.I have been applying exotherm to shoulders and abdominal areas and are finding they are becoming even leaner.
It is a great product that is allowing me to keep about 90-95% of my conditioning in my last body building contest, I seem to be maintaining my strength and muscle mass whilst in PCT.
How do you feel it would work on a lean bulk to maintain leanness.
i would definitely run 2 caps of Letrone with Test & Trest together.I was thinking of running 500 mg test with 300mg Deca for 16 weeks.
22.5mg M1T for first 4 weeks
50-75mg Trest for first 8 weeks
Maybe 1 cap of Letrone or 2 depending on effects from estrogen, and prolactrone to deal with Deca & Tr3st
Hold on ? 22,5mg Methyl 1-test ?I was thinking of running 500 mg test with 300mg Deca for 16 weeks. 22.5mg M1T for first 4 weeks 50-75mg Trest for first 8 weeks Maybe 1 cap of Letrone or 2 depending on effects from estrogen, and prolactrone to deal with Deca & Tr3st
For the love of God bro.....I was thinking of running 500 mg test with 300mg Deca for 16 weeks.
22.5mg M1T for first 4 weeks
50-75mg Trest for first 8 weeks
Maybe 1 cap of Letrone or 2 depending on effects from estrogen, and prolactrone to deal with Deca & Tr3st
I have M1T dosed at 10mg Per cap & another brand dosed at 8mg per capFor the love of God bro.....
Please dont run M1t at 22mg.
5-10 is PLENTY. TOo much if anything. If its real m1t 10mg is overkill.
Yeah that would work just fineCould i dose it like : 1 pump in the morning and two pumps before my workout later that day.. I get up really early. like 0430 and i workout about 1:40
Great man !Yeah that would work just fine. Give it at least a half hour to absorb before you start sweating.
27 days @ 3 pumps. If you're a little conservative on the pump you can squeeze another day or two. Plus I completely cleaned out the inside of the bottles at the end. I started first two weeks with two pumps and I'm weighing 215. I used one bottle for about 35 days with great effects. If you weigh more than that you definitely need 3 pumps for full effects.Great man !i will order soon. madebe just one bottle to start with... Its like 28 days or so aint it
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Honestly, and my opinion is just that, I wouldn't dose of before your workout. I don't see any real benefit. It MAY help with aggression, but these effects seem more subtle and building to me, not like. ...2 pumps let's kill something NOW. You may also experience more sweating, but I think this is more of a side effect than anything that will cause fat loss.Could i dose it like : 1 pump in the morning and two pumps before my workout later that day.. I get up really early. like 0430 and i workout about 1:40
Technically sweating can help with absorption too.Honestly, and my opinion is just that, I wouldn't dose of before your workout. I don't see any real benefit. It MAY help with aggression, but these effects seem more subtle and building to me, not like. ...2 pumps let's kill something NOW. You may also experience more sweating, but I think this is more of a side effect than anything that will cause fat loss.
If I were doing 2 pumps I would do it AFTER my workout, after my shower. Maybe I am wrong though.
Can t wait... I have a bottle of liquid clen aswell.. So im gonna combine this in some way.- And i have on cycle supps aswell.27 days @ 3 pumps. If you're a little conservative on the pump you can squeeze another day or two. Plus I completely cleaned out the inside of the bottles at the end. I started first two weeks with two pumps and I'm weighing 215. I used one bottle for about 35 days with great effects. If you weigh more than that you definitely need 3 pumps for full effects.
Well im not exspecting any crazy ARHHHHHH HULK SMAAAASH kinda thing with this stuffHonestly, and my opinion is just that, I wouldn't dose of before your workout. I don't see any real benefit. It MAY help with aggression, but these effects seem more subtle and building to me, not like. ...2 pumps let's kill something NOW. You may also experience more sweating, but I think this is more of a side effect than anything that will cause fat loss.
If I were doing 2 pumps I would do it AFTER my workout, after my shower. Maybe I am wrong though.
Yeah, but isn't that more to do with pores opening? Or is it because of the fact it may spread it across the skin more? I don't know. Sweating will also help more get absorbed into your shirt too I am thinking....not trying to argue, maybe you're right. In the end, maybe it makes no difference.Technically sweating can help with absorption too.
Never know man, maybe the lower E will get you going. I did definitely notice increased willingness to work/aggression while on this stuff.Well im not exspecting any crazy ARHHHHHH HULK SMAAAASH kinda thing with this stuffits a fatburner/E killer. Notthing else.
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