Excelsior pre workout

BigGame84 said:
But Wes said it was purchased from Amazon. Which makes no sense because 1st Phorm does not sell on Amazon. So if it's 1st Phorm and sold on Amazon, who ever was selling it was tainting with the product and nothing you would buy direct or from an authorized retailer would have the dirty stuff.

If Wes could just confirm it was 1st Phorm, I guarantee it was just the seller.
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C4 is on Amazon. Has that been ruled out?
 
BigGame84 said:
But Wes said it was purchased from Amazon. Which makes no sense because 1st Phorm does not sell on Amazon. So if it's 1st Phorm and sold on Amazon, who ever was selling it was tainting with the product and nothing you would buy direct or from an authorized retailer would have the dirty stuff.

If Wes could just confirm it was 1st Phorm, I guarantee it was just the seller.
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Ah
BigGame84 said:
But Wes said it was purchased from Amazon. Which makes no sense because 1st Phorm does not sell on Amazon. So if it's 1st Phorm and sold on Amazon, who ever was selling it was tainting with the product and nothing you would buy direct or from an authorized retailer would have the dirty stuff.

If Wes could just confirm it was 1st Phorm, I guarantee it was just the seller.
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If he does not deny it like he did with when other brands got called out here as potential guesses it could be them all the same.
 
Justjoe7989 said:
I'm done chasing rainbows and pots of gold..... Just got in touch with predator they have 6/26 excelsior and 12/26 thermal spark any one tried these lately?
How is the new batch of doomsday? Or doomsday hardcore? I also saw they have a new flavor of barbarian...
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Regular doomsday is mid, good for kindle muscle connection.
But the hardcore at 1.5 scoops is amazing. Energy lasts most of the day. Gave my girl a full scoop by accident and she was flying! Had the best workout of her life. Ha.
 
Someone named it correctly. Not gonna say who did though, please stop asking I have enough legal crap to deal with in custody court as is.

But I am NOT lying and never would to you guys. I meant to say that one of the items I tested was a flavor Pineapple in it and it is no longer on amazon and it is a fat loss agent powder, not a Pwo per say. I don't even see that flavor as an option anymore, so I am seeing alot of red flags and makes me think this was the "seller" like you guys said. I am glad I didn't name a name for this exact reason.

I bought a jug manufacturer direct and I am glad I didn't say the name bc the fact I can't find it on Amazon is a very big red flag. It is on the way and I will test it and let you guys know in this very thread, maybe this week if USPS ever gets their ass in gear and actually delivers things.


Anyways back to the Excelsior. I wanna try a new batch, where are you guys getting it now? I have been out of the loop for a good year. Last I knew they were trying to make a come back and then they disaappeared. Is that still true? I will scan Eva's and see if I can find it meantime.

Thank you guys.

Also what did happen to Dark Energy? DIdn't they get busted or something? Again not starting trouble, but pretty sure they went Dark, no pun intended LMAO.
 
WesleyInman said:
Someone named it correctly. Not gonna say who did though, please stop asking I have enough legal crap to deal with in custody court as is.

But I am NOT lying and never would to you guys. I meant to say that one of the items I tested was a flavor Pineapple in it and it is no longer on amazon and it is a fat loss agent powder, not a Pwo per say. I don't even see that flavor as an option anymore, so I am seeing alot of red flags and makes me think this was the "seller" like you guys said. I am glad I didn't name a name for this exact reason.

I bought a jug manufacturer direct and I am glad I didn't say the name bc the fact I can't find it on Amazon is a very big red flag. It is on the way and I will test it and let you guys know in this very thread, maybe this week if USPS ever gets their ass in gear and actually delivers things.


Anyways back to the Excelsior. I wanna try a new batch, where are you guys getting it now? I have been out of the loop for a good year. Last I knew they were trying to make a come back and then they disaappeared. Is that still true? I will scan Eva's and see if I can find it meantime.

Thank you guys.

Also what did happen to Dark Energy? DIdn't they get busted or something? Again not starting trouble, but pretty sure they went Dark, no pun intended LMAO.
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There are certain brands that will not sell through Amazon. So yeah, it would be a red flag if a product by a company like that did show up on Amazon.

Definitely would be the seller... You could buy the same product direct or from an authorized retailer and pretty much guarantee it would test clean.
 
BigGame84 said:
There are certain brands that will not sell through Amazon. So yeah, it would be a red flag if a product by a company like that did show up on Amazon.

Definitely would be the seller... You could buy the same product direct or from an authorized retailer and pretty much guarantee it would test clean.
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I am waiting on what I bought manufacturer direct.

I will say the results.

What kind of human buys something spikes it and then hides? This makes me hesitant to buy any product at all of amazon TBH.

Or to sell my brand

Look how easily someone can set you up.

I just happened to stumble onto this.

I take athlete safety very serious. I mean I was all about excelsior and we had that repeated tested and it showed nothing. It was hidden but def a rec drug was in it.

Did we ever figure out if excelsior and that other brand are the same...the one that made Craze. I can't even think of the name now...I know I live near both these brands and they had a lot of overlapping information and coincidental ingredients. Remember that?
 
WesleyInman said:
I am waiting on what I bought manufacturer direct.

I will say the results.

What kind of human buys something spikes it and then hides? This makes me hesitant to buy any product at all of amazon TBH.

Or to sell my brand

Look how easily someone can set you up.

I just happened to stumble onto this.

I take athlete safety very serious. I mean I was all about excelsior and we had that repeated tested and it showed nothing. It was hidden but def a rec drug was in it.

Did we ever figure out if excelsior and that other brand are the same...the one that made Craze. I can't even think of the name now...I know I live near both these brands and they had a lot of overlapping information and coincidental ingredients. Remember that?
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Designer Supplements. Now I think they go by Driven Sports.

No, I don't know if there was ever a connection there.
 
WesleyInman said:
I am waiting on what I bought manufacturer direct.

I will say the results.

What kind of human buys something spikes it and then hides? This makes me hesitant to buy any product at all of amazon TBH.

Or to sell my brand

Look how easily someone can set you up.

I just happened to stumble onto this.

I take athlete safety very serious. I mean I was all about excelsior and we had that repeated tested and it showed nothing. It was hidden but def a rec drug was in it.

Did we ever figure out if excelsior and that other brand are the same...the one that made Craze. I can't even think of the name now...I know I live near both these brands and they had a lot of overlapping information and coincidental ingredients. Remember that?
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I don't think I've ever heard of a connection between Imperial Nutrition (company that manufactures Excelsior) and Driven Sports, but I'll say that regardless of the powder consistency (and I say that because people point out that some tubs have large white "rocks" while in others it's fine, uniform powder), I notice that for at least a few hours after I use Excelsior, I'll randomly clench & unclench my jaw, as well as suck the inner side of my cheek tissue into my teeth (I know this sounds weird, LOL). No other PWO does this to me.

Also, to answer your other question, AFAIK (but could be wrong), the only online store selling Excelsior these days is UK-based Predator Nutrition.
 
SpicedCider said:
I don't think I've ever heard of a connection between Imperial Nutrition (company that manufactures Excelsior) and Driven Sports, but I'll say that regardless of the powder consistency (and I say that because people point out that some tubs have large white "rocks" while in others it's fine, uniform powder), I notice that for at least a few hours after I use Excelsior, I'll randomly clench & unclench my jaw, as well as suck the inner side of my cheek tissue into my teeth (I know this sounds weird, LOL). No other PWO does this to me.

Also, to answer your other question, AFAIK (but could be wrong), the only online store selling Excelsior these days is UK-based Predator Nutrition.
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We had a theory here on this forum years ago that Driven Sports and Imperial were one in the same, they are very very close by each other and many other similarities stood out

I forget but someone on AM did some very good investigating and I was nearly convinced they were one in the same. Not that I care. I loved Craze and I loved Excelsior.

But it was very interesting. Bodybuilders are smarter then we are given credit for.
 
WesleyInman said:
We had a theory here on this forum years ago that Driven Sports and Imperial were one in the same, they are very very close by each other and many other similarities stood out

I forget but someone on AM did some very good investigating and I was nearly convinced they were one in the same. Not that I care. I loved Craze and I loved Excelsior.

But it was very interesting. Bodybuilders are smarter then we are given credit for.
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I recall the same business addresses being listed on the tubs? It was also the same address listed on Olympus Labs' Re1gn and 'I am Supreme' tubs...
 
WesleyInman said:
Anyways back to the Excelsior. I wanna try a new batch, where are you guys getting it now? I have been out of the loop for a good year. Last I knew they were trying to make a come back and then they disaappeared. Is that still true? I will scan Eva's and see if I can find it meantime.
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Just a heads up, Eva's closed their Manhattan store (where I used to get it) and, after making the trek through the favela that is Roosevelt Ave to get to their Jackson Heights location, the guy told me they were sold out. He didn't know if they were getting any more, so I would definitely call before heading to Queens/Staten Island. The guy working there did give me a free sample of MVPre 3.0 for my trouble, though, which was nice of him. They haven't sold it on their website for a long time.

I think the only place to get excelsior now is to pay the absurd predator danegeld price, sadly.
 
Heads up to everyone thermal spark 2/27 is top notch.... On par if not better then 4/24 haven't tried any of the other newer ones but 2 /27 is gold
 
Justjoe7989 said:
Heads up to everyone thermal spark 2/27 is top notch.... On par if not better then 4/24 haven't tried any of the other newer ones but 2 /27 is gold
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Good to know. I am sitting on some 9/26, 10/26 and 2/27. The 10/26 and 2/27 are still sealed as I haven't gotten to them yet.
 
BigGame84 said:
Good to know. I am sitting on some 9/26, 10/26 and 2/27. The 10/26 and 2/27 are still sealed as I haven't gotten to them yet.
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I bought one bottle took two thinking it it was going to be watered down .... It was almost two much I immediately bought two more bottles... I crack one open with an amino energy that has about 100mh of caffeine works amazing
 
Justjoe7989 said:
Heads up to everyone thermal spark 2/27 is top notch.... On par if not better then 4/24 haven't tried any of the other newer ones but 2 /27 is gold
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Have you tried 1/27? 1 pill on an empty stomach was too much and had to take a nap. For reference Im prescribed adderall lol
 
Anyone know of any other
Drakee said:
Have you tried 1/27? 1 pill on an empty stomach was too much and had to take a nap. For reference Im prescribed adderall lol
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Nope only ones I've tried were a few of the origanl silver foil pack samples 4/24 and 2/27... That's crazy you took a nap... Its hard for me to sit still for 5 hrs
 
Justjoe7989 said:
Heads up to everyone thermal spark 2/27 is top notch.... On par if not better then 4/24 haven't tried any of the other newer ones but 2 /27 is gold
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Sir can you please let me know where to get this? Is it predator also?


Guys Update 11/14

On the product that I said I tested manually and it showed spike, I got some manufacturer direct and it showed a positive test again. HOWEVER, I did not have gas chromography. Im a little annoyed bc this is costing me a small fortune and for the only reason I am doing this is to keep the community safe.

We know for a fact that even the best PWO can show positive amphetamine tests. Even my old preworkout brand several people tested positive for Amphetamines bc of the dmaa in it, or even some of the stims and I was not putting anything else in it. We know ephedrine and dmaa can cause false positives and so can other compounds.

So before I jump to any conclusions I am gonna send some out to probably Janoshik. I will see if P.A is available but last time I spoke to him he wasn't doing anything with testing. He used to test our IML products out alot so he and I are on good terms, I just prob will err on the side of sending it to Janoshik. I don't even know what kind of turnaround that is gonna be but I guarantee its gonna cost me another $200 plus shipping out of my pocket.

I am kinda annoyed by that. I think this is the last of the things I am gonna test. I keep getting stuck in helping other people and spending my own cash because I do genuinely care about others safety.

I def have a soft spot for peoples well beings and it costs me alot of money...

I think I need to start staying out of it and mind my business. Clients literally call me almost daily with a variety of issues.

I think its' time to change my phone number ;)

Ty for the patience everyone.
 
WesleyInman said:
Sir can you please let me know where to get this? Is it predator also?


Guys Update 11/14

On the product that I said I tested manually and it showed spike, I got some manufacturer direct and it showed a positive test again. HOWEVER, I did not have gas chromography. Im a little annoyed bc this is costing me a small fortune and for the only reason I am doing this is to keep the community safe.

We know for a fact that even the best PWO can show positive amphetamine tests. Even my old preworkout brand several people tested positive for Amphetamines bc of the dmaa in it, or even some of the stims and I was not putting anything else in it. We know ephedrine and dmaa can cause false positives and so can other compounds.

So before I jump to any conclusions I am gonna send some out to probably Janoshik. I will see if P.A is available but last time I spoke to him he wasn't doing anything with testing. He used to test our IML products out alot so he and I are on good terms, I just prob will err on the side of sending it to Janoshik. I don't even know what kind of turnaround that is gonna be but I guarantee its gonna cost me another $200 plus shipping out of my pocket.

I am kinda annoyed by that. I think this is the last of the things I am gonna test. I keep getting stuck in helping other people and spending my own cash because I do genuinely care about others safety.

I def have a soft spot for peoples well beings and it costs me alot of money...

I think I need to start staying out of it and mind my business. Clients literally call me almost daily with a variety of issues.

I think its' time to change my phone number ;)

Ty for the patience everyone.
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Are you testing your piss or the actual product?
 
Hope the info comes out soon…I don’t buy too many supplements but want to avoid this company all together.
 
Irishobrien said:
The brand was already mentioned but Wesley muddied the waters a bit
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I call straight up BULLSHIT on this guy makes absolutely no sense.... This guy come to an excelsior forum which is the most spiked preworkout in recent history to warn ppl about a spiked supplement? To keep the community safe? WTF then won't say the brand or the product in fear of legal problems but gives clues about the product...
 
Justjoe7989 said:
I call straight up BULLSHIT on this guy makes absolutely no sense.... This guy come to an excelsior forum which is the most spiked preworkout in recent history to warn ppl about a spiked supplement? To keep the community safe? WTF then won't say the brand or the product in fear of legal problems but gives clues about the product...
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Justjoe7989 said:
I call straight up BULLSHIT on this guy makes absolutely no sense.... This guy come to an excelsior forum which is the most spiked preworkout in recent history to warn ppl about a spiked supplement? To keep the community safe? WTF then won't say the brand or the product in fear of legal problems but gives clues about the product...
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Seems highly unlikely someone would take a main stream product open it add illict substances reseal it then sell it for msrp. What would be the point? Anyone else thinks this sounds ridiculous?
 
Justjoe7989 said:
Seems highly unlikely someone would take a main stream product open it add illict substances reseal it then sell it for msrp. What would be the point? Anyone else thinks this sounds ridiculous?
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You know this guy was like literally the second person to ever post in this thread, is a well known member here, company rep, etc…
 
Justjoe7989 said:
I call straight up BULLSHIT on this guy makes absolutely no sense.... This guy come to an excelsior forum which is the most spiked preworkout in recent history to warn ppl about a spiked supplement? To keep the community safe? WTF then won't say the brand or the product in fear of legal problems but gives clues about the product...
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Your parents must be retarded.

Because you are special.

I am the one to bring Excelsior here and was the first person to ever get to beta test it. Chosen by Anthony Roberts. I also own one of the most successful online retail brands in the USA and rep for IML and MA labs here on AM. The word is called Credibility jackass. No one thinks I am lying, because I don't lie.

Do you know how stupid you sound?
 
WickedWarlock said:
Me too! I buy pre workout from Amazon sometimes too so definitely probably need to know!
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Not on Amazon guys, thats the good thing and the brand overall has a good rep, so again until I see the lab testing done, I am gonna just assume its false positives, etc.

It could have a designer.

I tried it and tbh it def has some stim kick to it and made my vision a bit blurred, which I cannot think of any other product that does that. It def gave me good motivation.

I drug tested myself immediately after consumption, your standard 14 prong Urine cup. I passed completely. The cool thing is I don't use any drugs or alcohol so I have a very good base to test out.

If there is something hidden in it, I don't know if Janoshik will find it or not? Some of those Chinese Recs and Amphetamine analogues are completely hidden from view. I know because I personally have witnessed at least two that will not show in a test and will not show in your urine. Otherwise I would think it might not be possible.

It is.

I don't like the methadone coming up but then again I don't even know what false positive can cause that. Do any of you?

**Edit I found this and am gonna read it now, but I personally have never seen a false positive in any aspect. When I worked in the hospital we rarely were testing people, mostly we would see it on Toxicology screenings, so I must admit in NO WAY am I claiming expert status on this topic.

academic.oup.com

False-Positive Results in the Detection of Methadone in Urines of Patients Treated with Psychotropic Substances

In the context of methadone maintenance programs, immunochemical detection of methadone in urine has evolved, with rapid and sensitive techniques gaining i
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WesleyInman said:
Your parents must be retarded.

Because you are special.

I am the one to bring Excelsior here and was the first person to ever get to beta test it. Chosen by Anthony Roberts. I also own one of the most successful online retail brands in the USA and rep for IML and MA labs here on AM. The word is called Credibility jackass. No one thinks I am lying, because I don't lie.

Do you know how stupid you sound?
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Congrulations on all your achievements and success in life...Not going to respond to the name callings or the attack on my parents.. also not going to get into a hate filled text argument on a world wide forum with someone I don't know... With all the posts you've posted I've formed my opinion... and that being it makes absolutely no sense and sounds ridiculous... This is just my stance...I honestly hope I'm right. If not that means there's someone poisoning supplements.
 
WesleyInman said:
Not on Amazon guys, thats the good thing and the brand overall has a good rep, so again until I see the lab testing done, I am gonna just assume its false positives, etc.

It could have a designer.

I tried it and tbh it def has some stim kick to it and made my vision a bit blurred, which I cannot think of any other product that does that. It def gave me good motivation.

I drug tested myself immediately after consumption, your standard 14 prong Urine cup. I passed completely. The cool thing is I don't use any drugs or alcohol so I have a very good base to test out.

If there is something hidden in it, I don't know if Janoshik will find it or not? Some of those Chinese Recs and Amphetamine analogues are completely hidden from view. I know because I personally have witnessed at least two that will not show in a test and will not show in your urine. Otherwise I would think it might not be possible.

It is.

I don't like the methadone coming up but then again I don't even know what false positive can cause that. Do any of you?

**Edit I found this and am gonna read it now, but I personally have never seen a false positive in any aspect. When I worked in the hospital we rarely were testing people, mostly we would see it on Toxicology screenings, so I must admit in NO WAY am I claiming expert status on this topic.

academic.oup.com

False-Positive Results in the Detection of Methadone in Urines of Patients Treated with Psychotropic Substances

In the context of methadone maintenance programs, immunochemical detection of methadone in urine has evolved, with rapid and sensitive techniques gaining i
academic.oup.com academic.oup.com
Justjoe7989 said:
Congrulations on all your achievements and success in life...Not going to respond to the name callings or the attack on my parents.. also not going to get into a hate filled text argument on a world wide forum with someone I don't know... With all the posts you've posted I've formed my opinion... and that being it makes absolutely no sense and sounds ridiculous... This is just my stance...I honestly hope I'm right. If not that means there's someone poisoning supplements.
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But then again Alex Jones was saying they were turning the frogs gay... Turns out it was true so.....I suppose anything's possible. To answer you about the 2/27 thermal spark I get it from a supplement shop in Idaho I'd have to ask him if it's ok to provide his info.. I think there's some on ebay as well for a ridiculous price I think 180 or so...
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Predator does not have these.. also the excelsior's I've got from him over the years have been different from predators. I am pretty sure there's two manufacturers of imperial nutrion one In Europe and one in America
 
Justjoe7989 said:
Congrulations on all your achievements and success in life...Not going to respond to the name callings or the attack on my parents.. also not going to get into a hate filled text argument on a world wide forum with someone I don't know... With all the posts you've posted I've formed my opinion... and that being it makes absolutely no sense and sounds ridiculous... This is just my stance...I honestly hope I'm right. If not that means there's someone poisoning supplements.
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lets just be dead honest here sir. You would never say this to my face, so don't try and act this way on the forum

If you are that much of a fool, it is better to keep your mouth shut. My accomplishments are simply to show credibility.

I wouldn't go start talking **** to someone who has repped for brands for 20+ years and competed for almost 25 years. Only you seem to think that is an "intelligent opinion".

I am not calling names, just speaking factually sir.

Now keep your mouth shut, we can agree to disagree and lets move on. No one wants to hear you and I bickering and I will post my results from Jano in a few weeks. If you don't like them, then again, keep it shut.
 
Can the kind sir who figured out the spiked PWO dm me the name so I can totally not buy it and stay far far away from it ? Your help would be greatly appreciated :)

EDIT: I'm about to buy so many random brands fat loss powders, it's not even funny...and I don't even like 'pineapple' flavors
 
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WesleyInman said:
lets just be dead honest here sir. You would never say this to my face, so don't try and act this way on the forum

If you are that much of a fool, it is better to keep your mouth shut. My accomplishments are simply to show credibility.

I wouldn't go start talking **** to someone who has repped for brands for 20+ years and competed for almost 25 years. Only you seem to think that is an "intelligent opinion".

I am not calling names, just speaking factually sir.

Now keep your mouth shut, we can agree to disagree and lets move on. No one wants to hear you and I bickering and I will post my results from Jano in a few weeks. If you don't like them, then again, keep it shut.
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zufir said:
Can the kind sir who figured out the spiked PWO dm me the name so I can totally not buy it and stay far far away from it ? Your help would be greatly appreciated :)

EDIT: I'm about to buy so many random brands fat loss powders, it's not even funny...and I don't even like 'pineapple' flavors
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Ok let’s say you buy this , and if there is any truth in this , would you risk driving and getting done for it if pulled over by the cops . Will it make you fitter or bigger ., not worth the risk
 
Bernardhopkin said:
Ok let’s say you buy this , and if there is any truth in this , would you risk driving and getting done for it if pulled over by the cops . Will it make you fitter or bigger ., not worth the risk
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My gym is a 2 mins drive from my house so I'll be alright but I obviously wouldn't risk it if I wasn't sober enough to drive
 
Bernardhopkin said:
Ok let’s say you buy this , and if there is any truth in this , would you risk driving and getting done for it if pulled over by the cops . Will it make you fitter or bigger ., not worth the risk
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If amphetamines resulted in OUI’s then most long haul truckers from 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and 2000’s would be behind bars. And they get pulled over at free random for spot D.O.T. inspection.
I highly doubt that Heisenberg did a cook and dumped it into tubs and labeled it PWO. Or is that what Methylene Blue is???🤣🤣🤣🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
 
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zufir said:
My gym is a mins drive from my house so I'll be alright but I obviously wouldn't risk it if I wasn't sober enough to drive
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So what’s your thinking , what is it ?
 
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