EvoMuse Testruction™ Writeup

[dsade]

If you have your estrogen under control, you would be fine with 8

Does arimistane is enough to control E on Testruction?

I think Letrone is a little more effective, judging by feedback, but Arimistane should be enough as well.

 

[chedapalooza]

Giving away 5 BRITE:

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[Ricky10]

So I just have to say that my experience with Testruction was quite different from what others report. I did one month at 6caps/day and finally ended up stopping due to an increase in joint pain. Took me a while to determine that this product was the culprit. My only thought is that the Naringinin Cyclodextrin Complex may be more of an effective AI than previously thought...or at least for me. I also did not particularly experience the typically reported increase in libido or erection quality. Both remained about the same.

 

[dsade]

If it completely wipe out your e levels then that would make sense. Did you play around with dosage once you started feeling like nothing was going on? Maybe 1 cap 2- times per day?

 

[Ricky10]

If it completely wipe out your e levels then that would make sense. Did you play around with dosage once you started feeling like nothing was going on? Maybe 1 cap 2- times per day?

Not particularly, I more or less just kind of phased it out and moved on to a different product to be honest.

 

[dsade]

Not particularly, I more or less just kind of phased it out and moved on to a different product to be honest.

Ok, that's cool. Everyone reacts differently.

 

[Ricky10]

I was just confused because I was always reading that most people reported having to add an additional AI, and that it is more or less suggested to do so regardless.

 

[dsade]

I was just confused because I was always reading that most people reported having to add an additional AI..

Most people lie within standard levelspf each hormone, and levels of aromatase. I, personally, have to take extra strong AI while on Testruction. Others get along fine with weaker OTC AIs.

part of making everything work for you is watching your body closely for what it's supposed to be doing, and if it isn't then you either ask questions of read a bit, then make an adJustment and see how that affects the regimen.

 

[Ricky10]

Ok, that's cool. Everyone reacts differently.

Yeah...this is surely true. I would love to try some BMP (capsules). That is still not available right?

 

[Ricky10]

Most people lie within standard levelspf each hormone, and levels of aromatase. I, personally, have to take extra strong AI while on Testruction. Others get along fine with weaker OTC AIs.

part of making everything work for you is watching your body closely for what it's supposed to be doing, and if it isn't then you either ask questions of read a bit, then make an adJustment and see how that affects the regimen.

True...I do have another bottle that I am sure I will dip into at some point..

 

[dsade]

Yeah...this is surely true. I would love to try some BMP (capsules). That is still not available right?

Soon, I promise...I have the hammer poised over the nail on his forehead and I am promised an update tomorrow. If not, I also now have a backup.

 

[dsade]

Yeah...this is surely true. I would love to try some BMP (capsules). That is still not available right?

Any chance to get bloodwork done soon to see where you ended up at the end of the month? I'll contribute $25

 

[Ricky10]

Soon, I promise...I have the hammer poised over the nail on his forehead and I am promised an update tomorrow. If not, I also now have a backup.

OK...haha. Thanks for your time..

 

[Ricky10]

Any chance to get bloodwork done soon to see where you ended up at the end of the month? I'll contribute $25

I have been off of it completely for at least 3 weeks now and on an entirely different test booster. So I am afraid it would not be that accurate...

 

[ELROCK]

About how long does Testruction usually take to kick in as far as libido and energy goes?

 

[GreenMachineX]

About how long does Testruction usually take to kick in as far as libido and energy goes?

A week usually because the LJ kicks in quick, but the longer the better, IMO.

 

[dsade]

About how long does Testruction usually take to kick in as far as libido and energy goes?

For me it kicks in the first day/dose, believe it or not.

 

[chedapalooza]

I'll be able to have blood done after 4-6 weeks. Starting 8 weeks on March 1 with letrone as my AI. Current test levels are 550 and estrogen is 51.

 

[dsade]

I'll be able to have blood done after 4-6 weeks. Starting 8 weeks on March 1 with letrone as my AI. Current test levels are 550 and estrogen is 51.

Incn thrown in some $ if you want for the results.

 

[chedapalooza]

Incn thrown in some $ if you want for the results.

Trade ya results for some new gut health

 

[hsk]

dsade, regarding otc AI and or E2 control with Testruction, I assume any bulk arimistane caps should be sufficient as that was one of the ingredients in BPS Ellimistane?

Also instead of an AI, would something like Bulbine be strong enough to counter act any potential rise in estrogen? I respond well to Bulbine and was thinking of pairing Bulbine with Testruction. I am thinking it should be quite synergistic as the Bulbine should take care of the need for E2 control while increasing natural T at the same time.

 

[chedapalooza]

dsade, regarding otc AI and or E2 control with Testruction, I assume any bulk arimistane caps should be sufficient as that was one of the ingredients in BPS Ellimistane?

Also instead of an AI, would something like Bulbine be strong enough to counter act any potential rise in estrogen? I respond well to Bulbine and was thinking of pairing Bulbine with Testruction. I am thinking it should be quite synergistic as the Bulbine should take care of the need for E2 control while increasing natural T at the same time.

Highly suggest using a strong AI. Arimistane not strong enough for many. Look at letrone or inhibit e.

 

[hsk]

Highly suggest using a strong AI. Arimistane not strong enough for many. Look at letrone or inhibit e.

That's no problem. I've got arimistane, bulbine and inhibit e on hand. I tend to get E2 sides easily even from nettle root extracts.

 

[ucheoma]

dsade, regarding otc AI and or E2 control with Testruction, I assume any bulk arimistane caps should be sufficient as that was one of the ingredients in BPS Ellimistane?

Also instead of an AI, would something like Bulbine be strong enough to counter act any potential rise in estrogen? I respond well to Bulbine and was thinking of pairing Bulbine with Testruction. I am thinking it should be quite synergistic as the Bulbine should take care of the need for E2 control while increasing natural T at the same time.

How do you know you respond well to bulbine in regard to E?. Do you have bloodwork to show this? As for Arimistane for E2 theres been plenty enough posts that advice to the contrary

 

[hsk]

How do you know you respond well to bulbine in regard to E?. Do you have bloodwork to show this? As for Arimistane for E2 theres been plenty enough posts that advice to the contrary

No blood work just anecdotal feedback. I get typical low e sides such as dry joints, water loss/diuretic effects, etc. Plus when I take too much libido is dead. It was strong enough to counteract e2 sides I've gotten the few times I've tried nettle root extract or t-booster products that contained nettle root extract as one of the ingredients. Also, all the rat studies showed decrease in estrogen. I still have yet too see Bulbine's MOA for lowering E elucidated.

 

[ucheoma]

No blood work just anecdotal feedback. I get typical low e sides such as dry joints, water loss/diuretic effects, etc. Plus when I take too much libido is dead. It was strong enough to counteract e2 sides I've gotten the few times I've tried nettle root extract or t-booster products that contained nettle root extract as one of the ingredients. Also, all the rat studies showed decrease in estrogen. I still have yet too see Bulbine's MOA for lowering E elucidated.

Same rat study also showed bulbine increased test by 347% so wouldnt go by that. How do you know youre prone to e2 sides if you havent taken any bloodwork? Placebo is a powerful thing

 

[hsk]

Not placebo. I have not had a hormone profile done for quite some time, but I had tests done regularly when I was younger from early 20's to mid 30's. I always had low T/free T, high E/SHBG. Never done a cycle, but I've had gyno in the past when I was younger. The most I've tried is clomid, nolva, exemestane, anastrozole and combinations of them. But I still prefer to find and use natural alternatives. I still get gyno symptoms from certain supplements that can raise estrogen or increase aromatization of T to E and symptoms always include sore, itchy, puffy nips, water retention/bloat, estrogen flush etc. I've researched and tried everything possible to manage things long term without going pharmaceutical or at least delaying the pharmaceutical optional as long as I possibly can.

 

[ucheoma]

Not placebo. I have not had a hormone profile done for quite some time, but I had tests done regularly when I was younger from early 20's to mid 30's. I always had low T/free T, high E/SHBG. Never done a cycle, but I've had gyno in the past when I was younger. The most I've tried is clomid, nolva, exemestane, anastrozole and combinations of them. But I still prefer to find and use natural alternatives. I still get gyno symptoms from certain supplements that can raise estrogen or increase aromatization of T to E and symptoms always include sore, itchy, puffy nips, water retention/bloat, estrogen flush etc. I've researched and tried everything possible to manage things long term without going pharmaceutical or at least delaying the pharmaceutical optional as long as I possibly can.

Thanks
Are you saying the bulbine, Arimistane or both have dropped your e2 snd if so by how many points. Also if you're prone to e2 sides and gyno is testruction the right natty for you given it can potentiate androgen receptors?

 

[hsk]

Thanks
Are you saying the bulbine, Arimistane or both have dropped your e2 snd if so by how many points. Also if you're prone to e2 sides and gyno is testruction the right natty for you given it can potentiate androgen receptors?

As I said, my feed back is anecdotal and I have not had a hormone profile done in quite some time. No, I'm not sure if testruction is the right natty for me and I won't know until I give it a try. The formula is solid though and contains some ingredients I have already used solo while including a few ingredients that are new to me. Based on previous experiences, I will always have some E control supplements on hand to mitigate any possible E related sides.

 

[ucheoma]

As I said, my feed back is anecdotal and I have not had a hormone profile done in quite some time. No, I'm not sure if testruction is the right natty for me and I won't know until I give it a try. The formula is solid though and contains some ingredients I have already used solo while including a few ingredients that are new to me. Based on previous experiences, I will always have some E control supplements on hand to mitigate any possible E related sides.

Thanks for clearing that up Just wanted to clarify if you had taken recent bloodwork as you said effects of bulbine/arimistane were not placebo. Really without bloodwork you cant conclusively determine these lowered your e2 and its not placebo

Sorry to bang on about this but ive not seen any evidence supporting e2 reductions using bulbine or arimistane and there are possibly better alternatives as one poster as already suggested. Virtus may be another. It has some bloodowrk indicatibg it;s effectiveness but everyone responds differently I suppose

 

[rtmilburn]

Same rat study also showed bulbine increased test by 347% so wouldnt go by that. How do you know youre prone to e2 sides if you havent taken any bloodwork? Placebo is a powerful thing

The reason is rats increases aren't like human increases. Hell trib a showed a 10000% increase and that's not even the highest. So compared to most ingredients in rats 347% is LOW.

 

[ucheoma]

The reason is rats increases aren't like human increases. Hell trib a showed a 10000% increase and that's not even the highest. So compared to most ingredients in rats 347% is LOW.

Not sure i follow your logic? When supps were pushing bulbine they jumped on the 347% figure
Heck one product was/is even named after the 347% stat. Poster cited rat study as is support of bulbine as an AI. My assertion is rat studies are highly unreliable as results often dont translate across to the human population. Ive not seen any bloodwork indicating bulbine does indeed lower e2


onto the

 

[ucheoma]

The reason is rats increases aren't like human increases. Hell trib a showed a 10000% increase and that's not even the highest. So compared to most ingredients in rats 347% is LOW.

Not sure i follow your logic? When supp companies were pushing bulbine they jumped on the 347% figure
Heck one product was/is even named after the 347% stat. Poster cited rat stud
In support of bulbine as an AI. My assertion is rat studies are highly unreliable as results often dont translate across to the human population. Ive not seen any bloodwork indicating bulbine does indeed lower e2

 

[tyga tyga]

Been using testruction for 20 days and haven't notice any estrogen issues.. let alone, anything for that matter

I have three bottles so I'll use the remainder of my current one and one more and hope I notice something

 

[rtmilburn]

Not sure i follow your logic? When supps were pushing bulbine they jumped on the 347% figure
Heck one product was/is even named after the 347% stat. Poster cited rat study as is support of bulbine as an AI. My assertion is rat studies are highly unreliable as results often dont translate across to the human population. Ive not seen any bloodwork indicating bulbine does indeed lower e2


onto the

I misinterpreted what you said.

 

[GreenMachineX]

Been using testruction for 20 days and haven't notice any estrogen issues.. let alone, anything for that matter

I have three bottles so I'll use the remainder of my current one and one more and hope I notice something

Try 3 caps, 3 times a day.

 

[hsk]

Not sure i follow your logic? When supps were pushing bulbine they jumped on the 347% figure
Heck one product was/is even named after the 347% stat. Poster cited rat study as is support of bulbine as an AI. My assertion is rat studies are highly unreliable as results often dont translate across to the human population. Ive not seen any bloodwork indicating bulbine does indeed lower e2


onto the

My post only said that rat studies showed decrease in estrogen. I still have yet too see Bulbine's MOA for lowering E elucidated.

Try 3 caps, 3 times a day.

What did you notice using 9 caps per day vs 6 caps? Did you work up to that by going to 6,7,8,9 or just straight to 9 from 6 caps?

 

[ELROCK]

Isn't the suggested dose on the bottle 3 caps am and 3 caps pm so a suggested dose of 6 caps not 4 caps?

 

[hsk]

Isn't the suggested dose on the bottle 3 caps am and 3 caps pm so a suggested dose of 6 caps not 4 caps?

Yes, that was a typo, but I edited the post right away as soon as I realized the mistake. Still waiting for my coffee to kick in.

 

[tyga tyga]

Isn't the suggested dose on the bottle 3 caps am and 3 caps pm so a suggested dose of 6 caps not 4 caps?

Yeah. I've tried

3 caps am/pm for two weeks (with a meal)
2 caps am/pm for a week (this past week) ~ because of previous posts ITT.

I'll go back to 3 caps am/pm (with a meal)

We'll see what happens

 

[rtmilburn]

Yeah. I've tried

3 caps am/pm for two weeks (with a meal)
2 caps am/pm for a week (this past week) ~ because of previous posts ITT.

I'll go back to 3 caps am/pm (with a meal)

We'll see what happens

It sounds like 3x3 is best so 3am 3noon 3pm

 

[GreenMachineX]

My post only said that rat studies showed decrease in estrogen. I still have yet too see Bulbine's MOA for lowering E elucidated.


What did you notice using 9 caps per day vs 6 caps? Did you work up to that by going to 6,7,8,9 or just straight to 9 from 6 caps?

I noticed everything it's supposed to do, just much stronger. Libido, energy, confidence, mood, etc.
I just jumped from 6 to 9 caps a day.

 

[Wimsicle]

So for a noob like me trying to learn all of this new lingo and exactly what these supps are doing...

Can someone explain why an AI is super important to some while taking a natty test booster?

 

[GreenMachineX]

So for a noob like me trying to learn all of this new lingo and exactly what these supps are doing...

Can someone explain why an AI is super important to some while taking a natty test booster?

It's not, except if your prone to gyno like some of us.

 

[Wimsicle]

Gotcha, thanks. Lots of false info out there lol, hard to cycle through what it true and what isn't

 

[hsk]

Gotcha, thanks. Lots of false info out there lol, hard to cycle through what it true and what isn't

Also, it never hurts to play it safe and have some insurance lying around in case any type of E sides do show up. Everyone's body chemistry, diet and lifestyle are different and there really is no way to tell how a supplement or drug will affect you until you try it for yourself. If you end up not using the insurance you can always save it for something else. Also after going through this entire thread, if I end up running this I will probably go with inhibit e first if sides do appear and I'll probably pick up letrone to have on hand just in case.

 

[GreenMachineX]

Also, it never hurts to play it safe and have some insurance lying around in case any type of E sides do show up. Everyone's body chemistry, diet and lifestyle are different and there really is no way to tell how a supplement or drug will affect you until you try it for yourself. If you end up not using the insurance you can always save it for something else. Also after going through this entire thread, if I end up running this I will probably go with inhibit e first if sides do appear and I'll probably pick up letrone to have on hand just in case.

Inhibit-E works really well; I've crushed my E2 a couple times with it lol.

 

[Wimsicle]

Also, it never hurts to play it safe and have some insurance lying around in case any type of E sides do show up. Everyone's body chemistry, diet and lifestyle are different and there really is no way to tell how a supplement or drug will affect you until you try it for yourself. If you end up not using the insurance you can always save it for something else. Also after going through this entire thread, if I end up running this I will probably go with inhibit e first if sides do appear and I'll probably pick up letrone to have on hand just in case.

Thanks, I appreciate that.

I had a long travel hiatus from the gym in China for work.. where I wasnt able to eat properly / work out well enough. Not really an excuse haha, but time was crunched and I didn't have access to a gym lol.

Going back strict Keto with some PSMF to shed the couple pounds I gained and then go from there.

 

[GreenMachineX]

Quick question regarding the long jack and propanolol interaction; would Longjack also interfere with other beta blockers like bisoprolol or just because they are the same type of drug it doesn't matter?

 

[patrick25]

So 9 a day is the dose now?