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EvoMuse Presents: KetoInduce

Woody said:
Then imagine being on a slight surplus wouldn't hinder if last carb meal was hours before bed?
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I believe he said take a minimum of one hour after a carb meal and before bedtime. I wouldn't eat 150g carbs and then take it 20 min later, for example.
 
I can't wait to see some anecdotal feedback from you guys once you start trying it in different scenarios.

Via the MoA, the fat loss should happen regardless of circumstance so long as the protocols are being followed to allow ketosis to be induced (e.g. waiting long enough post carbs). That said, we may very well hear from you guys that a certain carb range for macro breakdown yields better results or someone may notice that when calories are X above or below expenditure that more loss occurs.

Can't wait to hear your feedback!
 
Woody said:
Then imagine being on a slight surplus wouldn't hinder if last carb meal was hours before bed?
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I beta-tested it during PCT in a weekly surplus with some pretty wicked cheats thrown in there. My weight spikes from my cheats subsided much quicker than normal and overall I dropped 1-2lbs over ~4-5 weeks dosing it ~5 days per week. I was pretty impressed with the body composition results.
 
GNO said:
I beta-tested it during PCT in a weekly surplus with some pretty wicked cheats thrown in there. My weight spikes from my cheats subsided much quicker than normal and overall I dropped 1-2lbs over ~4-5 weeks dosing it ~5 days per week. I was pretty impressed with the body composition results.
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Sounds like good results. Any reason why you did it 5 days per week instead of 7? (Just wondering)
 
GNO said:
I beta-tested it during PCT in a weekly surplus with some pretty wicked cheats thrown in there. My weight spikes from my cheats subsided much quicker than normal and overall I dropped 1-2lbs over ~4-5 weeks dosing it ~5 days per week. I was pretty impressed with the body composition results.
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Cheat meals ha. I like to do them before bed :)
 
I follow an IF schedule where I finish eating at 5PM. Could I take ketoinduce for longer ketosis instead of just pre bed? IE: Dose at 7PM
 
Allow an hour after carbs, then knock yourself out!
 
Should be ok, just don't use milk.
 
I tend to eat all of my carbs at night post workout. In that scenario, would it still make sense to take this before bed or would taking it in the morning be more effective?
 
CJNator said:
Whats the general half life?
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This is just something to bring you into ketosis...your body takes over after that until you ingest carbs.
 
dsade said:
This is just something to bring you into ketosis...your body takes over after that until you ingest carbs.
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I thought I replied to this lol but thanks! I might just not add in any carbs till my post workout meal for a longer period of ketosis.
 
CJNator said:
I thought I replied to this lol but thanks! I might just not add in any carbs till my post workout meal for a longer period of ketosis.
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I despise morning cardio, but I'm going to have to give this a shot. I almost just had my surgery cancelled again (which would have resulted in you seeing me in the papers), but I think I salvaged it. 2 weeks until I get back into training hardcore, using KI and CardioTryx for morning fasted cardio.
 
I am really excited to hear back from you guys. I love how savvy and knowledgeable you guys are, and can really put this to the test.
 
dsade said:
I am really excited to hear back from you guys. I love how savvy and knowledgeable you guys are, and can really put this to the test.
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I think KI is going to be awesome for intermittent fasters like myself. Thanks for your hard work!
 
Was just thinking over the weekend that IF should be the bomb for this.

Could also set up some mini 2-3 day keto runs, too.
 
kdubson14 said:
Looking forward to trying this with 16-8 IF + PSMF on 3 off days per week.
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This is very similar to what I did last summer. I do if all the time anyways but was doing once a week refeeds with the other 6d psmf. When j got to about 10% I added a second refeed and maintained at that. This would fit perfectly (and why I wanted to beta test it so bad ha)
 
Alright, ketosis experts, fill me in here. I don't really do ketogenic diets or cyclic ketogenic stuff mostly because I'm a carb fiend (and handle them very, very well). It seems like by the time most people generally hit ketosis, they're carb depleted/low on glycogen. If this knocks us into ketosis even if we're just eating carbs like normal, what will the results be in regards to workout performance, etc?
 
ma70 said:
Alright, ketosis experts, fill me in here. I don't really do ketogenic diets or cyclic ketogenic stuff mostly because I'm a carb fiend (and handle them very, very well). It seems like by the time most people generally hit ketosis, they're carb depleted/low on glycogen. If this knocks us into ketosis even if we're just eating carbs like normal, what will the results be in regards to workout performance, etc?
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Very good question.
 
MidwestBeast said:
Very good question.
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Yes, I mainly wonder because ketosis means we're using fatty acids as energy, so what will happen to the carbs that are in our system already, assuming we don't knock ourselves out of ketosis while we workout in the morning. Hmm.
 
I didn't really think about it until just a little while ago, but my diet during the week is pretty strange. I wake up at 5 AM, drink some aminos and take my morning supps (Rx for levothyroxine, huperzine-A, 500mg agmatine), then take my pre-workout as I'm getting ready to drive into the gym. Finish around 7ish or so and drink a whey isolate shake for meal 1. At work hit meal 2 around 10:30 or so and it's many times another whey shake (if not isolate, then something like Select with minimal carbs) if I'm not snacking on some protein bars because I need to physically feel the chew lol. I don't take a work at lunch so I can duck out earlier, so that's why I do this -- plus it allows me to backload my macros/cals for the day a bit and eat a more flexible dinner with the wife.

Anyway, I tend to eat another meal around 2:30 or 3 and surprise surprise, it's often more of the same. So until I get home and eat (be it a small meal/snack first and then a bigger dinner closer to 7, or just one meal in between -- depends on the day), if I'm not eating protein bars at work, I generally don't get any carbs until that 5PM-8PM window.

So this should allow me to really test out the ketosis effects and I may even have a day or two in there where I skip carbs in my dinner to see what I can notice.

Come weekends, my diet doesn't go off the rails, but obviously it's not like my work week. But this could potentially allow me to make a lot of progress during those 5 days and sort of focus more on a recomp or slight surplus on Sat/Sun.

Cannot wait to try this out.
 
So... sold out again?
 
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Thanks! Still looking at March 10th for shipping?
 
ma70 said:
Alright, ketosis experts, fill me in here. I don't really do ketogenic diets or cyclic ketogenic stuff mostly because I'm a carb fiend (and handle them very, very well). It seems like by the time most people generally hit ketosis, they're carb depleted/low on glycogen. If this knocks us into ketosis even if we're just eating carbs like normal, what will the results be in regards to workout performance, etc?
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I'm wondering a similar question. How will fasted performance on ketosis be vs. fasted and carb depleted.

If I want to stay in ketosis when working out, I'd imagine something like an avocado would be the a good quick snack?
 
Woody said:
I'm wondering a similar question. How will fasted performance on ketosis be vs. fasted and carb depleted.

If I want to stay in ketosis when working out, I'd imagine something like an avocado would be the a good quick snack?
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Performance shouldn't be that affected. I've done carb depleted fasted workouts before. You won't be breaking any records, but you'll know it.

CardioTryx would be a good addition here, for sure, if you want drown in sweat.
 
dsade said:
Performance shouldn't be that affected. I've done carb depleted fasted workouts before. You won't be breaking any records, but you'll know it.

CardioTryx would be a good addition here, for sure, if you want drown in sweat.
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Well my main question is, if your body normally relies on glycogen that is stored for power/strength, and ketosis a status of the body that means it is using fatty acids as energy, which will be utilized during your workout if you didn't break the ketosis but still had a bunch of carbs the night before?
 
ma70 said:
Well my main question is, if your body normally relies on glycogen that is stored for power/strength, and ketosis a status of the body that means it is using fatty acids as energy, which will be utilized during your workout if you didn't break the ketosis but still had a bunch of carbs the night before?
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If you're in ketosis, your body most likely won't switch that up and go for the glycogen - but my semi-educated guess is that it depends on intensity. I'll have my guy run a test for you, and do fasted cardio in the morning and do another stick test after. We'll get you a solid answer.
 
dsade said:
Performance shouldn't be that affected. I've done carb depleted fasted workouts before. You won't be breaking any records, but you'll know it.

CardioTryx would be a good addition here, for sure, if you want drown in sweat.
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So if I'm in ketosis from KI and workout fasted in the AM, will I burn more fat which would make this super solid for a cut?

Also, is there the typical lethargy and such that generally accompanies transitioning to ketosis?
 
Woody said:
So if I'm in ketosis from KI and workout fasted in the AM, will I burn more fat which would make this super solid for a cut?

Also, is there the typical lethargy and such that generally accompanies transitioning to ketosis?
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You're reading my mind!
 
Your muscles use all substrates available including intramuscular glycogen, bloodstream glucose, intramuscular FA, FA from the bloodstream, and ketones. The higher the intensity the more the preferred substrate shifts to glycogen.

Ketone production has nothing to do with intramuscular glycogen, just hepatic glycogen. Curious as to how the upregulation of ketone production is triggered without depleting hepatic glycogen tho.
 
kdubson14 said:
Your muscles use all substrates available including intramuscular glycogen, bloodstream glucose, intramuscular FA, FA from the bloodstream, and ketones. The higher the intensity the more the preferred substrate shifts to glycogen.

Ketone production has nothing to do with intramuscular glycogen, just hepatic glycogen. Curious as to how the upregulation of ketone production is triggered without depleting hepatic glycogen tho.
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Me after reading that.
 
kdubson14 said:
Your muscles use all substrates available including intramuscular glycogen, bloodstream glucose, intramuscular FA, FA from the bloodstream, and ketones. The higher the intensity the more the preferred substrate shifts to glycogen.

Ketone production has nothing to do with intramuscular glycogen, just hepatic glycogen. Curious as to how the upregulation of ketone production is triggered without depleting hepatic glycogen tho.
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Thanks for the clarification.
 
Ok, we'll be running a primitive test in the morning. KI dosage per usual, ketostick upon waking. Fasted cardio session for a minimum of 20 minutes, then another stick test.

Under our financial limitations, it's something that's better than nothing. I told him moderate intensity.
 
dsade said:
Ok, we'll be running a primitive test in the morning. KI dosage per usual, ketostick upon waking. Fasted cardio session for a minimum of 20 minutes, then another stick test.

Under our financial limitations, it's something that's better than nothing. I told him moderate intensity.
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Not to be picky of course (since you're doing this on your own dime) but could you possibly ask him what heart rate range he will be at and what activity it will be?
 
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