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Erase/Erase Pro blood work

Admin gave him several opportunities to pump the brakes. And airing his grievances publicly instead of messaging Admin privately made it seem like grandstanding.
 
Matthersby said:
Maybe I should re-read it. Did he list a source? Or state that he doesn't care about the rules, including sourcing? Because if so, maybe a time-out would have served just fine.
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Yes he did list one (RC which is against the rules) and yes he did state he didn't care about the rules. The rules are pretty clear on both issues and then began to argue with me about it, which once again, is against the rules if you actually read the descriptions of infractions.

Getting an infractions is a warning, which he was given. He then wanted to argue about it and act like a jackass....which gets you banned. Pretty simple.
 
I still think he should be given a chance to redeem himself IF his attitude has changed. But I am aware my opinion means jackshyt here.
 
Of course you think that.
 
horizons said:
Could we get back on topic? Haha
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nwope this thread dead friend remeber always more dumb then owl shyte challenge site therein you thinking iT
 
Touey said:
nwope this thread dead friend remeber always more dumb then owl shyte challenge site therein you thinking iT
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You speak the truth touey
 
My bloodwork is floating around somewhere showing great results with T-Force and Erase.
 
Erase/Erase Pro Blood Work? No.

Twists, turns, bans? Yes.

OP had no idea what he was asking for lol.

I have a bottle of the new EP on the way. I may get bloods now just for funs. I also have some Erase Pro 1, but I'd rather do bloods on the new stuff since it will be around longer.
 
Geoforce said:
Erase/Erase Pro Blood Work? No.

Twists, turns, bans? Yes.

OP had no idea what he was asking for lol.

I have a bottle of the new EP on the way. I may get bloods now just for funs. I also have some Erase Pro 1, but I'd rather do bloods on the new stuff since it will be around longer.
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Would be interested!
 
What was causing the Joint-aches with the original Erase Pro? And what will the new one have that's different and will not effect the joints.
 
sina said:
What was causing the Joint-aches with the original Erase Pro? And what will the new one have that's different and will not effect the joints.
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The active ingredient plus the two additions. The drying out effect is what caused it mostly.
 
I've been using 100mg/day Formestane while on TRT and my E2 came back at 8.9. This stuff works so why bother with anything else?
 
sina said:
What was causing the Joint-aches with the original Erase Pro? And what will the new one have that's different and will not effect the joints.
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The Arimistane which is common with any product that lowers estrogen. One of the ingreds in the new EP should help with joint pain...if not , just add Cissus XT
 
horizons said:
Does it actually lower estrogen though? ;)
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This is purely anecdotal, but prior to starting this thread I searched for at least a couple of hours for pre/post blood work from Erase users. For those that actually had blood work done, I found more instances of the blood work reflecting no effect on estrogen, than instances of lowered estrogen levels. That can be contrasted against many, many users that have never had pre/post blood work done but still love the stuff. Ultimately, I've decided to try Formeron.
 
tony soprano said:
This is purely anecdotal, but prior to starting this thread I searched for at least a couple of hours for pre/post blood work from Erase users. For those that actually had blood work done, I found more instances of the blood work reflecting no effect on estrogen, than instances of lowered estrogen levels. That can be contrasted against many, many users that have never had pre/post blood work done but still love the stuff. Ultimately, I've decided to try Formeron.
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I seriously thought erase/erase pro was the greatest. Then I actually did some research rather than going by the thousands of good reviews it gets and now come to think of it, i honestly don't think it does lower estrogen, it may have some cortisol management involved but it wasn't marketed as that.

Then once I tried formeron.... The rest is history. That stuff, is powerful and actually reduces estrogen (been used medically previously and has had many studies and evidence to back it's effectiveness), increases test (libido and aggression goes through the roof), definitely is androgenic (even at low dose I got some strong DHT effects), increases test and even leans you out nicely and gives you some very noticeable strength gains.

It has some sides, like sore joints (from actual low estrogen), sometimes too much aggression and some hair loss (high DHT) and this was only at two pumps a day!

I've tried letro and arom a very long time ago and even though they did the job, I never enjoyed being on them. Formeron is a whole different beast

Not bashing PES at all or disrespecting coop or all the other very knowledgable PES sponsors, I am only stating my opinion
 
mr.cooper69 said:
No offense taken, just try the new Erase ;)
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This is what I like. Even if the old Erase didn't lower E2 (can neither confirm nor deny- I still liked it), they have an entirely new product now; ergo, whether or not the old erase actually did anything is moot.

I am eager to try
 
Jiigzz said:
This is what I like. Even if the old Erase didn't lower E2 (can neither confirm nor deny- I still liked it), they have an entirely new product now; ergo, whether or not the old erase actually did anything is moot.

I am eager to try
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Thanks bro. I really think the new EP/ABE > old EP/ABE, but maybe I'm time-biased :D
 
I'm curious why more companies don't discuss what they have done for testing instead of just marketing hype about what is in the product. We see this more and more where a product is the hot new thing and then ends up that once anyone actually runs labs, it isn't doing anything than suck money out of pockets. It would seem that reputable companies would post or share testing and real data.
 
kisaj said:
I'm curious why more companies don't discuss what they have done for testing instead of just marketing hype about what is in the product. We see this more and more where a product is the hot new thing and then ends up that once anyone actually runs labs, it isn't doing anything than suck money out of pockets. It would seem that reputable companies would post or share testing and real data.
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.$.​
 
Jiigzz said:
This is what I like. Even if the old Erase didn't lower E2 (can neither confirm nor deny- I still liked it), they have an entirely new product now; ergo, whether or not the old erase actually did anything is moot.

I am eager to try
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I like how when something new comes out the old version is immediately garbage, or didn't work.
 
T-Bone said:
I like how when something new comes out the old version is immediately garbage, or didn't work.
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why T-Bone you are being satirical? I have never hear you be before
 
T-Bone said:
I like how when something new comes out the old version is immediately garbage, or didn't work.
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That is exactly where I was going with my post. So all the raves about OG Erase over the last couple of years now are diminished because it ends up that people found it really didn't lower e2, but rather likely acted as a cortisol control and we are supposed to forget about it.
 
MrPoop said:
Hope for no hype and disappointment
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For what it is worth we very rarely hype our own products.

More often than not a customer posts that we have a new formulation before we do. Cyrus posts ingredient references and that is about it. :)
 
bdcc said:
For what it is worth we very rarely hype our own products.

More often than not a customer posts that we have a new formulation before we do. Cyrus posts ingredient references and that is about it. :)
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I agree other then bdcc affair of love with flavours he mostly keep to hiself
 
kisaj said:
I'm curious why more companies don't discuss what they have done for testing instead of just marketing hype about what is in the product. We see this more and more where a product is the hot new thing and then ends up that once anyone actually runs labs, it isn't doing anything than suck money out of pockets. It would seem that reputable companies would post or share testing and real data.
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100% agree. I would guess 99% of otc products don't deliver. Money drives this.
 
With the new erase what dosage and how many weeks you prefer to run it or is optimal. Do you need a additional joint-product in addition to the new Erase? If so what would you add that's missing..

~Achilleus Anateus
~SNS Cissus ( I hear SNS has the best Cissus due to the potent quality of the Lowest % available compared to Joint-Help)
~ E-pharm Joint-spray if available
~ Hylauronic Acid 10g + MSM 15g

I hear the ParActin is a cox- inhibitor which you dont want too much off might as well do SNS Cissus + Ibuprofen is thats the case.



mr.cooper69 said:
No offense taken, just try the new Erase ;)
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Why would you run a product and be ready to run additional supplements along side of it to get all the benefits? I mean, just think about what you are asking. You could simply run a proven transdermal AI by itself and know that it is working on it's own. Provided you even need an AI.
 
kisaj said:
Why would you run a product and be ready to run additional supplements along side of it to get all the benefits? I mean, just think about what you are asking. You could simply run a proven transdermal AI by itself and know that it is working on it's own. Provided you even need an AI.
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to simple
 
kisaj said:
I'm curious why more companies don't discuss what they have done for testing instead of just marketing hype about what is in the product. We see this more and more where a product is the hot new thing and then ends up that once anyone actually runs labs, it isn't doing anything than suck money out of pockets. It would seem that reputable companies would post or share testing and real data.
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Because most companies don't actually do any.
 
kisaj said:
That is exactly where I was going with my post. So all the raves about OG Erase over the last couple of years now are diminished because it ends up that people found it really didn't lower e2, but rather likely acted as a cortisol control and we are supposed to forget about it.
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Human tests and trials done properly are expensive to conduct. You can read the data (if any exists) to formulate an opinion of your own;

but if a company decides to test products on people, there is an expensive process to conduct.

Also,OG erase had rumours floating for sometime it didnt touch e2 which came up in anabolic forums where blood work is prevalent. I havent actually seen any so I have no idea but the rumours are there.
 
I run my own, so I know. Also, I understand where you are coming from, but these companies are making a sh*t ton of money off of people and I doubt that cost is an inhibitory factor in providing information.
 
kisaj said:
I run my own, so I know. Also, I understand where you are coming from, but these companies are making a sh*t ton of money off of people and I doubt that cost is an inhibitory factor in providing information.
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I agree. I would say the test results would not be in most companies favor.
 
kisaj said:
I'm curious why more companies don't discuss what they have done for testing instead of just marketing hype about what is in the product. We see this more and more where a product is the hot new thing and then ends up that once anyone actually runs labs, it isn't doing anything than suck money out of pockets. It would seem that reputable companies would post or share testing and real data.
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Show me all the products (not individual ingredients) with studies done on them. Not too many.
 
kisaj said:
I run my own, so I know. Also, I understand where you are coming from, but these companies are making a sh*t ton of money off of people and I doubt that cost is an inhibitory factor in providing information.
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Cost is a huge issue. Companies vary in size and amount of funds they have in reserve. Some companies can afford clinical trials whereas for others, this is economically unfeasible.

When a company runs a clinical trial, would you even trust the result? would you call them bias? Companies have run trials on their own products and skewed results in their favour whilst others may be completely impartial. For the general public and majority of supplement buyers, they do not even care about the ingredient profile nor would seek to investigate studies performed on one. Should a company spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to appease a few hundred active board members?

Most individual ingredients in product formulas will have data showing their usefulness in both the murine and human model (human studies are expensive) and from which, we can investigate the usefulness of an entire product profile.

I should add to my post above that Erase, IMO, was made as an OTC AI for OTC products rather than as a clinical AI for people on cycle. So maybe it did touch e2 but not enough to keep it at bay. idk, i'm speculating. Either way, I enjoyed the product and look forward to see how the new version stacks up to it.
 
Jiigzz said:
Cost is a huge issue. Companies vary in size and amount of funds they have in reserve. Some companies can afford clinical trials whereas for others, this is economically unfeasible.

When a company runs a clinical trial, would you even trust the result? would you call them bias? Companies have run trials on their own products and skewed results in their favour whilst others may be completely impartial. For the general public and majority of supplement buyers, they do not even care about the ingredient profile nor would seek to investigate studies performed on one. Should a company spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to appease a few hundred active board members?

Most individual ingredients in product formulas will have data showing their usefulness in both the murine and human model (human studies are expensive) and from which, we can investigate the usefulness of an entire product profile.

I should add to my post above that Erase, IMO, was made as an OTC AI for OTC products rather than as a clinical AI for people on cycle. So maybe it did touch e2 but not enough to keep it at bay. idk, i'm speculating. Either way, I enjoyed the product and look forward to see how the new version stacks up to it.
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This is very similar to a post I made a while back.

In summary, if I wasn't affiliated with PES and they provided testing I would not trust them.

This has been shown time and time again when a company posts blood work. Some forum members appreciate it but more often than not people try and tear it apart.

Some instances have included where the change was drastic and the company gets accused of fiddling the results.
Other instances are where the change was more subtle and people said the effect was worthless.
Other instances are where the report itself gets picked apart regardless of the results depending on who tested it, time of day, if the lab was reputable etc.

Honestly, I would love to see trials for all supplements in a hypothetical world but in terms of reality a company providing testing on their own product very rarely puts people's minds at ease.
 
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