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Epistane Cycle OK?

jCoonan

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Please don't blast me if you don't consider orals Steroids, I really didn't know where else to put this.

Okay I ran a pulse 10/20/30/30 Epistane cycle for my first trip into PH's and it was successful for the most part. My pubescent gyno subsided a little bit and I made strength, mass and hardness gains. I'm on a cycle of Leviathan right now for some cutting and natty test boosting and so far(end of 1st week) I have noticed no sides from the epi and my libido is INSANE. I'm looking forward to the next cycle as I still have plenty of epi left. I want to run a 30-10 pulse. I have yet to read anything about this and it would look something like this:

Monday: 10mg Epi with B-fast/10mg Pre-WO/10mg Post-WO
Tuesday:10mg with B-fast
Wednesday: 10mg Epi with B-fast/10mg Pre-WO/10mg Post-WO
Thursday:10mg with B-fast
Friday: 10mg Epi with B-fast/10mg Pre-WO/10mg Post-WO
Sat-Sun: No Dose

I full body workout 3 times a week(Mon,Weds,Fri) hense the upped mgs on those days, but I would like to take advantage of the gyno reducing results seen by many of the every-dayers without having to take 30mgs on off days. My plan for post cycle therapy is going to be Leviathan Reloaded and ATD tabs from NP.

First Question: I know I will get the strength, mass and hardness results from the epi but will the addition of the 10mg on off days help increase the gyno reduction or is it a waste of tabs?

Second Question: Is the post cycle therapy enough? I have heard, and witnessed, that epi is light on the sides and liver but will the addition of the 10mg on off days force my hand into buying a real SERM like Nolva or Tamoxifen?

Any help is greatly appreciated! Sorry for the long post, but I would rather have the info here so that we can get right to the assistance. Thanks again!
 
Bump for replies, please. I feel like these are some legit questions. I'd be more than willing to FULLY log it for community info.
 
jCoonan said:
First Question: I know I will get the strength, mass and hardness results from the epi but will the addition of the 10mg on off days help increase the gyno reduction or is it a waste of tabs?

Second Question: Is the post cycle therapy enough? I have heard, and witnessed, that epi is light on the sides and liver but will the addition of the 10mg on off days force my hand into buying a real SERM like Nolva or Tamoxifen?

Any help is greatly appreciated! Sorry for the long post, but I would rather have the info here so that we can get right to the assistance. Thanks again!
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In regards to your first question I would say YES it would help in gyno prevention...but that would be pure speculation as this is different for everyone. Also it would basically defeat the purpose of a pulse (minimizing shutdown and allowing a natty T rebound on off days). That being said I would just run a steady amount for a 4 week cycle dosing consistently throughout each day.

Your second question really again cannot be answered definitively at this point. Yes you could probably get away with just POST cycle support (however some will consider this risky). Having a SERM on hand would be best, but then again back in the day guys only used 6-oxo or nothing for M1T PCT's.
 
I dont really see the point of dosing 5x a week. its too often to call it a pulse and you are missing the dose two days in a row. I would pulse 3x a week or just run it straight through.
 
I think that you do not have have enough off time to call this a pulse. I think you should post your question in the pulse thread and see if Dr D will comment. Epistane is different so you might get away with it.

How long you planning to run?

I think pulse or don't pulse. Half pulse doesn't seem like a good idea.
 
Not to mention I recently saw some speculation that EPI pulses are resulting in gyno....just something else to think about.
 
Everybody is different. I'm in the middle of an Epi pulse, ramped up to 40mg 3x a week and there's no signs of gyno. Good strength, great hardness, 0 sides. In another week or two i'll move to 50mg.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I dont really see the point of dosing 5x a week. its too often to call it a pulse and you are missing the dose two days in a row. I would pulse 3x a week or just run it straight through.
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:goodpost: true dat
 
I believe you won't seem gyno reduction using the above plan, and fluctuating hormone levels may actually worsen it. If you already have existing gyno, you want to try and maintain as steady of a state as you can hormonally so as not to set off a flare up of the gyno.
 
First off, THANKS for the replies, I was starting to think no one would ever answer. I read that thread and also another about Epi but I have yet to come across something like this. I have done a normal pulse and DID see some gyno reduction. Every post I have read said you should use Epi @ low dose(10-20mg) everyday for true gyno reduction but to be honest SERMS scare me more than Epi does.
 
That stumps me :) cause from what i've seen, and if I recall right even dr d's statements were that the sermlike + antigyno effects don't really show full strength at anything under 30mg taken daily. But as with most everything related to bodybuilding your body chemistry is unique, so results do vary. if a regular pulse worked well for you, i'd think the smart move would be to repeat that, rather than taking a chance on something different.

I'd really think the serms scare me less than epi, if you can get actual prescription ones rather than risking research chems. At least there are solid scientific studies on them, some even specifically for puberty gyno in men.
 
Okay I'll repeat the pulse, suppose that's best anyway. Just noticing in the mirror, I'm a week out from the pulse, that I'm still getting a bit of reduction. I was so skeptical but hot dang this sh*t works. Thanks for all your help, have a good one.
 
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