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EPI/V, PCT Revolution Black Contest Prep!! Watch an Old Fugger Cheat Time!!!

Ok like I said the carb up did not supply any additional benefit whatsoever. Every night I experience about the same thing when I eat. We are never really decarbed when on lean gains, at least I am not. This brings up an interesting situation, if I were to take lean gains all they way to contest then what I would have to do is... well nothing. Just eat normally, get in great shape and just walk out there.

So next week will be an experiment in just that and I will try out the Ripped Freak as well...

If I am not satisfied I will consider decarbing and carbing up which means going more traditional in the last few weeks. I could still do this in Lean Gains style though, just altered macros...

Chris what do you think? Here I am the guinea pig again lol
 
Doug,
You're sure to steal the show this time!!

You look better than I have ever seen you look. :clap2:

Who says that age is a factor?
It's either those young guys who don't know anything about it or those older guys who have given up on life.

You know the truth...........age is no limiting factor!!!
 
Doug,
You're sure to steal the show this time!!

You look better than I have ever seen you look. :clap2:

Who says that age is a factor?
It's either those young guys who don't know anything about it or those older guys who have given up on life.

You know the truth...........age is no limiting factor!!!

Thanks Jeff ... so good to have you here and your positive support.

Age is not a factor as Dylan Thomas so wisely says...

"Rage! Rage! into the dying of the light!"
 
Thanks Jeff ... so good to have you here and your positive support.

Age is not a factor as Dylan Thomas so wisely says...

"Rage! Rage! into the dying of the light!"

I heard that, brother.

I refuse to go quietly into the night.......I shall go kicking and screaming with a primal rage!!:angryfire:
 
DreamWeaver said:
Ok like I said the carb up did not supply any additional benefit whatsoever. Every night I experience about the same thing when I eat. We are never really decarbed when on lean gains, at least I am not. This brings up an interesting situation, if I were to take lean gains all they way to contest then what I would have to do is... well nothing. Just eat normally, get in great shape and just walk out there.

So next week will be an experiment in just that and I will try out the Ripped Freak as well...

If I am not satisfied I will consider decarbing and carbing up which means going more traditional in the last few weeks. I could still do this in Lean Gains style though, just altered macros...

Chris what do you think? Here I am the guinea pig again lol

I'm interested in how well all that pre-contest prep would go with lean gains. I have no experience with it, but I would definitely like to know how it changes things
 
There just woke up after a normal post workout eating day and fairly full and cleaned up. More the look I was going for.
 
Doug, one thing as you said is that you do a carb up almost daily now. If you feel that you look best keeping things as they are then bottom line amazing conditioning and having a good amount of glycogen in your system is the way to go. However the traditional Skip loading may do well for you being that you go massive on carbs until fully spilled over then go moderate carbs for a few days while flushing add to that the diuretic and you could come in looking sick. Last time you tried it you were nowhere near the body fat you needed to be to see what it was truly capable of and the fear of remaining spilled over was big in your mind because conditioning was not there. Also try refraining from dairy during your carb up it will make you hold water even before your glycogen levels are all the way up so that yogurt should not be any where around the show or during the test runs. At least the week of in my opinion.

I would try 2 scenarios, 1 a full on 1400-1600 gram carb load early in the week like say Tuesday and Wednesday get nice and spilled over. Then moderate-lower carbs Thursday and Friday with a lot more water intake, and then a good 50-100 grams worth of carbs about 2-3 hours before the hours before prejudging or when prejudging should be. Nothing with fiber in it but maybe keep some of those Goo energy packs for runners, and a snickers on hand to quickly adjust your glycogen levels without any bloat on the way into prejudging about 30-45 minutes ahead of it like say 20 minutes before you start working for your pump. So first find out when prejudging will be so you can get your timing down for the pre run.

Second scenario would be as you said do what you normally do and then maintain it by not fasting in the morning but adding in more carbs to keep the glycogen levels at that sem place and just get your pump on. You could use same things like the goo packs or a snickers bar.

Don't worry about the BS of not running too many test runs and your body not sucking up the glycogen due to insulin resistance. Your current diet already negates that by keeping insulin sensitivity high. Others who rely solely on carbs for energy, take in higher levels of carbs at all times making them have lower insulin sensitivity than you will with the fasting. So the tests won't hurt you. You have time for at least 2-3 more good test runs, maybe 3 so get them in. Decide on one or the other after testing both scenarios then repeat the one you decided on one last time making any tweaks you thought you should from the other test and you will have a good idea of what you need to do to truly peak.

Also take pics every hour or two during the tests even if that means putting the camera on a 5-10 second delay on a tripod, counter, or table and just taking them yourself. That way you will have an idea of when you looked your best and when condition started deteriorating. Doesn't have to be awesome quality just something to go off of. I do all of my progress shots on a web cam with a 5 second timer. Not professional looking at all but they catch what I and others in my log need to see.
 
Doug, one thing as you said is that you do a carb up almost daily now. If you feel that you look best keeping things as they are then bottom line amazing conditioning and having a good amount of glycogen in your system is the way to go. However the traditional Skip loading may do well for you being that you go massive on carbs until fully spilled over then go moderate carbs for a few days while flushing add to that the diuretic and you could come in looking sick. Last time you tried it you were nowhere near the body fat you needed to be to see what it was truly capable of and the fear of remaining spilled over was big in your mind because conditioning was not there. Also try refraining from dairy during your carb up it will make you hold water even before your glycogen levels are all the way up so that yogurt should not be any where around the show or during the test runs. At least the week of in my opinion.

I would try 2 scenarios, 1 a full on 1400-1600 gram carb load early in the week like say Tuesday and Wednesday get nice and spilled over. Then moderate-lower carbs Thursday and Friday with a lot more water intake, and then a good 50-100 grams worth of carbs about 2-3 hours before the hours before prejudging or when prejudging should be. Nothing with fiber in it but maybe keep some of those Goo energy packs for runners, and a snickers on hand to quickly adjust your glycogen levels without any bloat on the way into prejudging about 30-45 minutes ahead of it like say 20 minutes before you start working for your pump. So first find out when prejudging will be so you can get your timing down for the pre run.

Second scenario would be as you said do what you normally do and then maintain it by not fasting in the morning but adding in more carbs to keep the glycogen levels at that sem place and just get your pump on. You could use same things like the goo packs or a snickers bar.

Don't worry about the BS of not running too many test runs and your body not sucking up the glycogen due to insulin resistance. Your current diet already negates that by keeping insulin sensitivity high. Others who rely solely on carbs for energy, take in higher levels of carbs at all times making them have lower insulin sensitivity than you will with the fasting. So the tests won't hurt you. You have time for at least 2-3 more good test runs, maybe 3 so get them in. Decide on one or the other after testing both scenarios then repeat the one you decided on one last time making any tweaks you thought you should from the other test and you will have a good idea of what you need to do to truly peak.

Also take pics every hour or two during the tests even if that means putting the camera on a 5-10 second delay on a tripod, counter, or table and just taking them yourself. That way you will have an idea of when you looked your best and when condition started deteriorating. Doesn't have to be awesome quality just something to go off of. I do all of my progress shots on a web cam with a 5 second timer. Not professional looking at all but they catch what I and others in my log need to see.

I am really leaning towards just doing things normally like I do every day. I get better volume from a balanced diet with moderate carbs than I got out of close to 1000 grams in 8 hours. Here is something else I have been mulling over, the show does not start till 6pm and there are no morning prelims so I could do a fast up till I or 2 like I do normally then just eat a couple well balanced meals and I think I will be fine. Here is what I am noticing, our fasting creates and environment where the uptake of nutrients is excelled. Some Plsin and a moderate meal will go a long way. I can practice this method every day.

Yah I am not using dairy in my carb ups any more.
 
Doug, one thing as you said is that you do a carb up almost daily now. If you feel that you look best keeping things as they are then bottom line amazing conditioning and having a good amount of glycogen in your system is the way to go. However the traditional Skip loading may do well for you being that you go massive on carbs until fully spilled over then go moderate carbs for a few days while flushing add to that the diuretic and you could come in looking sick. Last time you tried it you were nowhere near the body fat you needed to be to see what it was truly capable of and the fear of remaining spilled over was big in your mind because conditioning was not there. Also try refraining from dairy during your carb up it will make you hold water even before your glycogen levels are all the way up so that yogurt should not be any where around the show or during the test runs. At least the week of in my opinion.

I would try 2 scenarios, 1 a full on 1400-1600 gram carb load early in the week like say Tuesday and Wednesday get nice and spilled over. Then moderate-lower carbs Thursday and Friday with a lot more water intake, and then a good 50-100 grams worth of carbs about 2-3 hours before the hours before prejudging or when prejudging should be. Nothing with fiber in it but maybe keep some of those Goo energy packs for runners, and a snickers on hand to quickly adjust your glycogen levels without any bloat on the way into prejudging about 30-45 minutes ahead of it like say 20 minutes before you start working for your pump. So first find out when prejudging will be so you can get your timing down for the pre run.

Second scenario would be as you said do what you normally do and then maintain it by not fasting in the morning but adding in more carbs to keep the glycogen levels at that sem place and just get your pump on. You could use same things like the goo packs or a snickers bar.

Don't worry about the BS of not running too many test runs and your body not sucking up the glycogen due to insulin resistance. Your current diet already negates that by keeping insulin sensitivity high. Others who rely solely on carbs for energy, take in higher levels of carbs at all times making them have lower insulin sensitivity than you will with the fasting. So the tests won't hurt you. You have time for at least 2-3 more good test runs, maybe 3 so get them in. Decide on one or the other after testing both scenarios then repeat the one you decided on one last time making any tweaks you thought you should from the other test and you will have a good idea of what you need to do to truly peak.

Also take pics every hour or two during the tests even if that means putting the camera on a 5-10 second delay on a tripod, counter, or table and just taking them yourself. That way you will have an idea of when you looked your best and when condition started deteriorating. Doesn't have to be awesome quality just something to go off of. I do all of my progress shots on a web cam with a 5 second timer. Not professional looking at all but they catch what I and others in my log need to see.

I think you should try what Chris is proposing, its not going to hurt and works for tons of pros.
 
I think you should try what Chris is proposing, its not going to hurt and works for tons of pros.

He proposed 2 options I am taking the latter ... again high carbs have minimal effect using lean gains principles. 1000 grams of carbs had no effect on physique whatsoever. When I eat a balanced meal then I got more muscle hardness and volume. I don't know why balanced meals have this effect I can only guess that the body is pretty hungry for nutrients once fasted and carbs just don't supply enough of what you need at that time. When we do carb ups we don't deplete protein and fat before hand we just deplete carbs causing a need for carbs. When we fast we create an need for all the food groups. Makes sense I guess.
 
A busy weekend, up early Saturday morning 8am 5K walk to the gym Chest and Back...

Flat bench db press 70's drop 60's ss
incline flies 42.5's drop 32.5's ss
Decline db press 55's drop 45's
10 reps 3 giant sets

Extended arm lat pulldown 45 drop 35 ss
Lat pulldown 145 drop 130 ss
Supine grip lat pulldown 130 drop 115
Weighed lat shrugs 45 lbs
3 giant sets 10 reps

Seated row 110 ss supine grip bent over row 135 3 sets 10 reps

Bar of death 10 reps then full abdominal workout...

All sets down 3/1/2, starting off with light weight will increase every week...

60 minutes cardio 800 calories burned....

5K walk home to break fast...

Up early Sunday 60 minutes light cardio before church....

Monday up early 5K walk to the gym

Shoulders and Arms

Reverse flies (did them on the apparatus where you do the back extensions) 15's drop 10's ss
L-Lateral raise 20's drop 15's ss
Front raise 20's drop 15's
3 giant sets 10 reps

Vbar tri-pressdowns 220 drop 180 (damn machine makes them so light) ss
Incline alt db curls 35's drop 25's ss
Xface tri-extensions 25's drop 20's
Prone db curl 25's drop 20's
3 giant sets 10 reps

Wheel of death 12 reps

5K trek home where I attacked the fuggin kitchen....
2 cans of tuna (white), 4 slices of ezekiel bread, 6 once chicken breast, a half a banana and 3 plums...

Then next door for an exremely painful massage....
 
I don't know ... not seeing the progress I was before. I look less hard and kind of watery... no signs of much fat loss recently despite all the adjustments. Just goes to show you how much EPI-V was doing for me for fat loss, water retention and muscle hardness. I will be drier for the next pics so that will help as I am experinmenting with the Rippped Freak. Pics are on Sunday...
 
I don't know ... not seeing the progress I was before. I look less hard and kind of watery... no signs of much fat loss recently despite all the adjustments. Just goes to show you how much EPI-V was doing for me for fat loss, water retention and muscle hardness. I will be drier for the next pics so that will help as I am experinmenting with the Rippped Freak. Pics are on Sunday...

Im sure you're just going through a sticking point. Im sure you are looking insane, just the extra oomf from Epi-V gave you superhuman abilities lol.
 
Im sure you're just going through a sticking point. Im sure you are looking insane, just the extra oomf from Epi-V gave you superhuman abilities lol.

Oh yah it did for sure, the mild stim the extra stamina, hard muscles and dry look...

Another thing, I have had to go cold turkey on the stims since start of PCT, not a great time for that either. I still get everything done, it's just not anywhere near as fun. I will reintroduce stims back slowly in a couple weeks but will not go near the ceiling doses which means infrequent usage.
 
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Oh yah it did for sure, the mild stim the extra stamina, hard muscles and dry look...

Another thing, I have had to go cold turkey on the stims since start of PCT, not a great time for that either. I still get everything done, it's just not anywhere near as fun. I will reintroduce stims back slowly in a couple weeks but will not go near the ceiling doses which means infrequent usage.

ah man thats rough. Im on a stim break too now... and my goodness...
 
sorry to see you go from AI bro. You were one of the one that supported my log. You and Din- and you are both gone now

I have all the faith in you that you can accomplish your goals in regrads to bodybuilding and get on with another sponor if you choose or another company as a rep.
 
sorry to see you go from AI bro. You were one of the one that supported my log. You and Din- and you are both gone now

I have all the faith in you that you can accomplish your goals in regrads to bodybuilding and get on with another sponor if you choose or another company as a rep.
 
sorry to see you go from AI bro. You were one of the one that supported my log. You and Din- and you are both gone now

I have all the faith in you that you can accomplish your goals in regrads to bodybuilding and get on with another sponor if you choose or another company as a rep.

Yah they just wanted to go another way, no bad blood or anything... I didn't know the word was out yet.

ah man thats rough. Im on a stim break too now... and my goodness...

Tell me about it...
 
Man I pigged out last night, I just couldn't fill myself, must being some anabolism from the Osta or something. I must have crammed in 4000 cals and it was supposed to be a burn day. I don't think it will hurt me much today being burn day. A real one this time lol...

So I guess the word is out I am no longer representing AI... they have a new vision that I may not be a good fit for. So for now I guess I am a free agent...
 
Doug, I think you will do well and we knew the water was going to be an issue when you came off the EPI-V, add in copius amounts oa asparagus and watch that water start coming back of. It is the magic water reducing vegetable with that and the adjustments we talked about in my log I think you will dry out quickly.
 
Doug, I think you will do well and we knew the water was going to be an issue when you came off the EPI-V, add in copius amounts oa asparagus and watch that water start coming back of. It is the magic water reducing vegetable with that and the adjustments we talked about in my log I think you will dry out quickly.

Absolutely, I agree, you can still do a great many things to help dry up between now and then!
 
Doug, I think you will do well and we knew the water was going to be an issue when you came off the EPI-V, add in copius amounts oa asparagus and watch that water start coming back of. It is the magic water reducing vegetable with that and the adjustments we talked about in my log I think you will dry out quickly.

Absolutely, I agree, you can still do a great many things to help dry up between now and then!

Yah asparagus is one vegtable I have trouble with. Meaing I can't stand it. I am trying the Ripped Freak as directed first then will see if it is too severe with the 3 day plan then I will make adjustments.
 
I am seeing some improvement today. I really thought I would see bigger changes but I think I underestimated the amount of cals EPI-V was helping me burn off. So workout days I am down to 3200 and I have 2 burn days between 1500-1700 and one at around 2400 cals. The remaining day has traditionaly been a cheat day but this may be less so from here on out.

One other thing is that I tend to do fairly poorly with extended fasts, I will be only fasting 16 to 18 hours at the most. I am addding in a few hours cardio a week which I have already started to do.

Took my first dose of ripped freak this morning will be monitoring this closely... haven't really felt it kick in yet, meaning no extra trips to the washroom as of yet.
 
Yah asparagus is one vegtable I have trouble with. Meaing I can't stand it. I am trying the Ripped Freak as directed first then will see if it is too severe with the 3 day plan then I will make adjustments.
Kleen's right though......you should try your best to consume copious amounts of asparagus.....the wonder veggie.
Also eat lots of white mushrooms for an anti-estrogenic effect.

This should cause you to shed some water.
You can also look into a natural/herbal diuretic.......I've used them with great results.
 
Kleen's right though......you should try your best to consume copious amounts of asparagus.....the wonder veggie.
Also eat lots of white mushrooms for an anti-estrogenic effect.

This should cause you to shed some water.
You can also look into a natural/herbal diuretic.......I've used them with great results.

Yah the Ripped Freak is Dandelion Root and Juniper...
 
Sounds good keep us posted. Thunder the Ripped Freak is a natural diuretic made to strip water off for a specific date, kind of like Taraxatone.
 
Nice start taking a few pics tonight if you can. Get an idea of what the visual effect is even if just on a timer on your web cam or the camera. You don't have to show them to us but do it so you can keep track of the visual changes.
 
Getting down to the wire, but looks like you have things going well Doug. Some nice work going on in here man!
 
Nice start taking a few pics tonight if you can. Get an idea of what the visual effect is even if just on a timer on your web cam or the camera. You don't have to show them to us but do it so you can keep track of the visual changes.

Yah that's hard with the ****ty camera. I am using the same mirror all the time though. The big problem with using mirrors is changing light and different mirrors make you look different. I use the same lighting and the same mirror for consistancy.

Getting down to the wire, but looks like you have things going well Doug. Some nice work going on in here man!

A bit of a hiccup coming off the EPI-V (who knew the stuff was magic in a pill lol) back on track now.
 
Hammered legs pretty good last night.. all isolation but some supersetting involved with drop sets

Leg press 400 X 10 ss Leg ext with a double drop 115 drop 100 drop 85 for 3 sets

Here's a torturous set Leg curl double drop 115 drop 85 drop 70 ss Stiff legged deads 155 for 3 sets

Standing calf raise double drop 200 160 120 for 3 sets

30 minutes cardio then 5 K walk of should I say limp home...

Woke up this morning significant changes looking much drier. This was the difference for sure. I don't think I lost much muscle at all as I weighed in at 201 last night. True muscles do not look as hard.
 
DW,
On top of the natural diuretic (Ripped Freak) you can add in a natural colon cleanse product to remove excess fecal matter and toss in some extra fiber via Metamucil and watch the transformation take off!!!

You'll be peeing and crapping your way all the way to the winner's circle.
 
DW,
On top of the natural diuretic (Ripped Freak) you can add in a natural colon cleanse product to remove excess fecal matter and toss in some extra fiber via Metamucil and watch the transformation take off!!!

You'll be peeing and crapping your way all the way to the winner's circle.

lol Yah the Ripped Freak does have some bowel loosening properties I've noticed good idea about the extra fiber. I am going to look into a natural colon clense product one that works over time.
 
Yeah or that Dieter's Tea, it will ring you out for sure...
 
A bit young for me lol, no they're the girls I have been training, Monica and Ericka...they have become close friends of the family....

Gotcha Doug, well good work Master-Trainer... Sir!!!
 
Very pretty and for some reason makes me wanna to "Do the hustle!"
 
DreamWeaver said:
Proud of the girls they've come a long way....

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Good work DW...on your part and of course theirs. It's always a great feeling to know you have succeeded in bettering someone's life, in what ever form it may come. That is a big part of why I teach. The "moment" doesn't happen too often, but when it does it makes it all worth while. Keep doing what ya love bro.
 
Good work DW...on your part and of course theirs. It's always a great feeling to know you have succeeded in bettering someone's life, in what ever form it may come. That is a big part of why I teach. The "moment" doesn't happen too often, but when it does it makes it all worth while. Keep doing what ya love bro.

Thanks, yah next year is going be all about them as Monica mentioned she wants to compete. Not as a bodybuilder, she wants to compete as a bikini model type, I like figure for her though. We'll see
 
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