Election of 2012....Who ya got?

[AE14]

Whats beautiful about this country is that you can choose whatever side you want, even if its completely unconstitutional or anti-natural rights.

To tell someone to move because someone has "anti-natural rights" can only come from someone who doesnt know the foundation and success of our country.

Very true my friend and well said.

 

[fueledpassion]

The Constitution is a natural rights document. This is fact. The founding fathers were so concerned with central government becoming a totalitarian power that instead of listing what they couldn't do, it was easier to just list what they could do. That is what Article 1, Section 8 covers.

If a party, government, or any demographic in society opposes natural rights in America, then they either need to do one of two things. Change the constitution to be something that fits their philosophy or stop pressing for something other than natural rights. It's crazy that people want the government to have so much influence and power yet as a nation we continue to use a natural rights document as a source of our law. To be anti-natural rights and live in a country whose law is founded upon natural rights is counter-productive is what I'm trying to say. It's like me living in China but refusing to embrace the Chinese language and culture -> it just doesn't make sense.

I don't appreciate the cheap shots about my education. In fact, I'm taking classes right now regarding business law and how ethics, social and environmental movements have effected our philosophy and political approaches. The content that I'm learning in this class is not able to be learned, understood or even seen in the media, especially since the majority of the media is left wing. And since my professor speaks from experience and who was once a democratic scientific socialist (back in the 70's) and who is now currently a conservative natural rights advocate, I'd say he's ahead of the curve on the subject. This professor has literally tested both waters and has seen the corruption behind congressional philosophies/approaches.

Maybe my previous statement is a bit over the top, but I truly believe that the extreme left wing, liberal, and pro-government parties will drive this country into the ground ultimately accomplishing the same thing with this country as what happened in others in the past. And when that day comes, I won't be surprised to see all the supporters of such political philosphies try and renig their standing just to save face. Kinda like the Nazi parties did..only not as extreme. Now I don't exactly support right wing anything, I really just support what the constitution was created for, which is natural rights to the individual. Now if you support socialism or anything other than natural rights approach then good for you. But don't expect this country to be the greatest country in the world taking that approach. it might end up being succesful from a GDP/economic stand-point kinda like China but also just like China the quality of life will suck hard for the majority of Americans. I personally believe that too much central power will ultimately lead to this. If you have a way to prove otherwise, then please do.

 

[ax1]

Maybe my previous statement is a bit over the top, but I truly believe that the extreme left wing, liberal, and pro-government parties will drive this country into the ground ultimately accomplishing the same thing with this country as what happened in others in the past. And when that day comes, I won't be surprised to see all the supporters of such political philosphies try and renig their standing just to save face. Kinda like the Nazi parties did..only not as extreme. Now I don't exactly support right wing anything, I really just support what the constitution was created for, which is natural rights to the individual. Now if you support socialism or anything other than natural rights approach then good for you. But don't expect this country to be the greatest country in the world taking that approach. it might end up being succesful from a GDP/economic stand-point kinda like China but also just like China the quality of life will suck hard for the majority of Americans. I personally believe that too much central power will ultimately lead to this. If you have a way to prove otherwise, then please do.

Its not the goverment, left, right, northwest, etc...they are just the henchmen in public view. Its the people with the money which is the banks. Corporatism is rule of law. Ben Bernanke has more power than the president.

The Constitution is no longer relevant in politics here, its old and gone. They even teach Homeland Security that our founding fathers are all terrorists and those who are constitutionalists, libertarian's, Ron Paul supporters, etc..are all to be on a terrorist watch list.

The quality of life in China is better than the USA believe it or not. You should go there. There are more people in this country having trouble putting food on their table today than in China. Yes, there is a huge lower class, but if you go to the cities I think you would be quite surprised how good the level of life can be for some 300+ million. I can have more freedom in China that I do here.

Families in China struggling less than American counterparts to put food on table: Gallup survey
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-10-13/news/30291597_1_survey-china-food-and-shelter

 

[fueledpassion]

Well, then I guess I just support whatever will leave me alone to make a living and live out the faith of my choice.

 

[ax1]

Well, then I guess I just support whatever will leave me alone to make a living and live out the faith of my choice.

You dont have to support anybody, why support the lesser of 2 evils or who acts lesser when they are really not?...If only Cain and Obama run, you dont have to vote. There is no difference between the 2. There is no difference between Perry and Obama or Romney or Obama. They are all the same.

Cain by the way was a Chairman of the Federal Reserve, he is the most dangerous candidate out there.

 

[EasyEJL]

it most certainly does....however, 999 is not the way to get it done. The federal sales tax can never pass. People will stop putting $ into the system if they get hit with 9% extra.

As an aside....the apples to oranges thing was funny and stupid all at the same time

Not only was it dumb, but romney missed the easy answer.

If a $20 shirt costs $21.70 now in nevada, won't it cost $23.20 after 999?

 

[AE14]

Not only was it dumb, but romney missed the easy answer.

If a $20 shirt costs $21.70 now in nevada, won't it cost $23.20 after 999?

I agree, Romney or anyone else could have really hit Cain hard but missed the boat. It would have been nice to see for a change that something specific would have been addressed, but mostly Cain was left off the hook. I do think that most do not view Cain as an entirely viable candidate considering the state of his campaign and their lack of funds.

 

[AE14]

The Constitution is a natural rights document. This is fact. The founding fathers were so concerned with central government becoming a totalitarian power that instead of listing what they couldn't do, it was easier to just list what they could do. That is what Article 1, Section 8 covers.

If a party, government, or any demographic in society opposes natural rights in America, then they either need to do one of two things. Change the constitution to be something that fits their philosophy or stop pressing for something other than natural rights. It's crazy that people want the government to have so much influence and power yet as a nation we continue to use a natural rights document as a source of our law. To be anti-natural rights and live in a country whose law is founded upon natural rights is counter-productive is what I'm trying to say. It's like me living in China but refusing to embrace the Chinese language and culture -> it just doesn't make sense.

I don't appreciate the cheap shots about my education. In fact, I'm taking classes right now regarding business law and how ethics, social and environmental movements have effected our philosophy and political approaches. The content that I'm learning in this class is not able to be learned, understood or even seen in the media, especially since the majority of the media is left wing. And since my professor speaks from experience and who was once a democratic scientific socialist (back in the 70's) and who is now currently a conservative natural rights advocate, I'd say he's ahead of the curve on the subject. This professor has literally tested both waters and has seen the corruption behind congressional philosophies/approaches.

Maybe my previous statement is a bit over the top, but I truly believe that the extreme left wing, liberal, and pro-government parties will drive this country into the ground ultimately accomplishing the same thing with this country as what happened in others in the past. And when that day comes, I won't be surprised to see all the supporters of such political philosphies try and renig their standing just to save face. Kinda like the Nazi parties did..only not as extreme. Now I don't exactly support right wing anything, I really just support what the constitution was created for, which is natural rights to the individual. Now if you support socialism or anything other than natural rights approach then good for you. But don't expect this country to be the greatest country in the world taking that approach. it might end up being succesful from a GDP/economic stand-point kinda like China but also just like China the quality of life will suck hard for the majority of Americans. I personally believe that too much central power will ultimately lead to this. If you have a way to prove otherwise, then please do.

In relation to the bolded sections: did someone take a pot shot? If you deemed something I said as a pot shot, please know that was not the intent.

#2, I think you are being too exclusive. Both left and right are for government intervention or just big government. They just each want it in different areas. It is sickening. To be honest (and I dont give him enough credit) AX is right. The parties are identical, and you shouldnt feel required to vote for either one.

 

[drrockzo]

You dont have to support anybody, why support the lesser of 2 evils or who acts lesser when they are really not?...If only Cain and Obama run, you dont have to vote. There is no difference between the 2. There is no difference between Perry and Obama or Romney or Obama. They are all the same.

Cain by the way was a Chairman of the Federal Reserve, he is the most dangerous candidate out there.

Alot of people dont know cain was a fed chairman. Hell I didnt even know until about a month ago.

 

[fueledpassion]

Perhaps I am too exclusive. I'll consider the comments above and make adjustments to my political stance. But as it stands, Ron Paul looks the best but I dont think he'll be a real possibility which is sad IMO. And I do recall my professor making statements about both parties having the same agenda and that most of the debates and political battles are for show. So maybe we're just screwed either way.

 

[ax1]

Perhaps I am too exclusive. I'll consider the comments above and make adjustments to my political stance. But as it stands, Ron Paul looks the best but I dont think he'll be a real possibility which is sad IMO. And I do recall my professor making statements about both parties having the same agenda and that most of the debates and political battles are for show. So maybe we're just screwed either way.

Ron Paul can totally be on top of the political spectrum if the media didnt black him out. The ones behind the scenes calling the shots on the major networks do not want Paul being in power.

What your professor is talking about is called a "duopoly" Lets say we can give China a democracy tomorrow...we split the party into China Red, and China Blue and let everybody vote who to pick...we end up with the same party regardless. Its how a political party maintains long term control and stays in power, which is by creating and owning its own competition and blacking out any competition outside of itself in education, most news agencies it controls and many other means.

Scientific Study Confirms Ron Paul Being Given LEAST Face Time In Debates

Even less than Santorum, Huntsman, Gingrich

Steve Watson
October 14, 2011

Despite being consistently ranked in the top three in GOP presidential candidate preference polls, Ron Paul has been given the least time to speak OUT OF ALL THE CANDIDATES at the debates that have taken place thus far.
Confirmation of this fact comes in the form of a study from the University of Minnesota, published to the Smart Politics blog.
The study has tallied the total face time that candidates were afforded during the last three debates. The results speak for themselves.

TPM took these numbers and displayed them visually below:

Ron Paul has received just 18 minutes and 47 seconds of time, less than any other candidate, and less than half the time that Mitt Romney has been allowed.
Indeed, Romney has racked up a total of 41 minutes and 9 seconds of speaking time over the debates, close to seven minutes more than the next closest candidate, Rick Perry who has received 34 minutes, 12 seconds.
The Study notes that during Tuesday’s debate, Romney received a full quarter of the speaking time, meaning he had almost double the time of all the other candidates and approaching three times the amount Ron Paul was given.
Despite being placed third in a Harvard University Institute of Politics and New Hampshire Institute of Politics poll prior to the Washington Post/Bloomberg debate, Ron Paul received just 26 and 21 seconds more speaking time than Jon Huntsman and Rick Santorum respectively.
Even when he is not speaking, it seems Romney is the focus of the attention, on Tuesday Romney was afforded:
· 194 percent more camera time than Rick Santorum
· 190 percent more than Jon Huntsman
· 171 percent more than Ron Paul
· 157 percent more than Newt Gingrich
· 103 percent more than Michele Bachmann
· 100 percent more than Herman Cain
· 77 percent more than Rick Perry
The gross inequality displayed here will only serve to confirm assertions that the mainstream media is engaged in a conspiracy to sideline, ignore and discredit Paul’s campaign.


Even the authors of the study at the University of Minnesota question the amount of time Paul is getting. They note:
“The fact that Congressman Paul has received less than half the amount of speaking time as Romney (and less than any other candidate) is curious considering the libertarian firebrand has run third or fourth in most polls throughout the last several months.”
The establishment denigrates Paul’s campaign not because they think he can’t win, but because they’re scared he could win. That’s why they’ve made it their job to try and derail his momentum at every turn. It’s their job to manipulate the American public into thinking they’re wasting their vote if they support Paul because he has no chance of winning, when the opposite is true, he has every chance of winning, if only he was given an equal platform with the other candidates.

 

[Jessep76]

TPM took these numbers and displayed them visually below:

hahaha tell me you just didn't throw that together with the little heads. It looks hilarious, and yet very interesting.

 

[omni]

Since the beginning I liked a few things Ron Paul had to say, all the candidates have good idea's, but I think he's out of touch with the times. Just my opinion. I liked Cain and still like him more than the others.

 

[AE14]

I cant get behind Cain at all. His economic plan would severely hurt the middle class.

 

[kingdong]

Since the beginning I liked a few things Ron Paul had to say, all the candidates have good idea's, but I think he's out of touch with the times. Just my opinion. I liked Cain and still like him more than the others.

I see what your saying, but Cain has his flaws too. Like how he has everyone fooled that hes just a down to earth pizza man, and he was never the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City from 1995-1996.

Out of the two, Im still going with Ron Paul. Paul also says some things that are revolutionary, like when he was asked about how he would bring the troops home, and he said that he would just simply bring them home. He also whants to legalize weed, and break up drug cartels. And before anyone says drug cartels are no big deal, I advise you to acknowledge the existance of the show Board Walk Empire. You dont even have to whach it, but just acknoledge the fact that there is an entire hit show dedicated to the criminals created by the Alcohol prohibition.

1. Getting pot smokers out of jail will be like a small bailout.
2. Taxing weed will be a BIG bailout.
3. Stated will still be able to run their drug laws. I doubt that anyone will really legalize heroin, accept maby Deliverance town.
4. As a fitness nut who just likes to smoke and still be a good citizen, I will never have to deal with an unsavory character again.
5. Lets face it, we live in a country where teenagers and baby boomers smoke. Many of them smoke way more than they drink. This really inforces 2 and 4!

 

[ax1]

I see what your saying, but Cain has his flaws too. Like how he has everyone fooled that hes just a down to earth pizza man, and he was never the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City from 1995-1996.

Out of the two, Im still going with Ron Paul. Paul also says some things that are revolutionary, like when he was asked about how he would bring the troops home, and he said that he would just simply bring them home. He also whants to legalize weed, and break up drug cartels. And before anyone says drug cartels are no big deal, I advise you to acknowledge the existance of the show Board Walk Empire. You dont even have to whach it, but just acknoledge the fact that there is an entire hit show dedicated to the criminals created by the Alcohol prohibition.

1. Getting pot smokers out of jail will be like a small bailout.
2. Taxing weed will be a BIG bailout.
3. Stated will still be able to run their drug laws. I doubt that anyone will really legalize heroin, accept maby Deliverance town.
4. As a fitness nut who just likes to smoke and still be a good citizen, I will never have to deal with an unsavory character again.
5. Lets face it, we live in a country where teenagers and baby boomers smoke. Many of them smoke way more than they drink. This really inforces 2 and 4!

I totally support what you say...but even if Paul becomes president its not like he will wave a magic wand and the world is perfect. The fact that his stay will only by 4 years 8 years tops makes things that much more difficult. He could even be impeached.

I think he would prioritize getting the Fed audited and ending the wars which nobody, none of the candidates including Obama dare does or has any interest in (and this Iraq pullout again is total nonesense, but thats a different story).

 

[kingdong]

I totally support what you say...but even if Paul becomes president its not like he will wave a magic wand and the world is perfect. The fact that his stay will only by 4 years 8 years tops makes things that much more difficult. He could even be impeached.

I think he would prioritize getting the Fed audited and ending the wars which nobody, none of the candidates including Obama dare does or has any interest in (and this Iraq pullout again is total nonesense, but thats a different story).

Touche! And I completely agree with what your saying. That only further supports my drive to get him into office for at least 4 years. 4 years isnt time for a president to do much of anything, but at least hell get the ball rolling on some things that NO ONE ELSE IN OUR LIFETIME WILL GET THE BALL ROLLING ON!

Im calling my local headshops and telliing to carry ron Paul memorabelia.

Im sending out text messages telling people do the same, and to register as Republican 3 months before the primary so we can get him into the top two running. I make sure to mention that hes a libertarian first though to make sure people dont just say "I hate republicans!" and toon outthe rest of the message first, and I appeal to the yout starting with the fact that he whants to legalize weed. I end by telling people to forward it and the "We need to get this across the country!"

Im doing the same on Facebook and Youtube.

 

[kingdong]

Touche! And I completely agree with what your saying. That only further supports my drive to get him into office for at least 4 years. 4 years isnt time for a president to do much of anything, but at least hell get the ball rolling on some things that NO ONE ELSE IN OUR LIFETIME WILL GET THE BALL ROLLING ON!

Im calling my local headshops and telliing to carry ron Paul memorabelia.

Im sending out text messages telling people do the same, and to register as Republican 3 months before the primary so we can get him into the top two running. I make sure to mention that hes a libertarian first though to make sure people dont just say "I hate republicans!" and toon outthe rest of the message first, and I appeal to the yout starting with the fact that he whants to legalize weed. I end by telling people to forward it and the "We need to get this across the country!"

Im doing the same on Facebook and Youtube.

Oh, and with Michelle Bachman's entire staff resigning and Newt Gingrich's senior staff resigning, we now have an opening! One more reason to follow the advice above, because our chances just shot up. Us muscle people have will power. Lets use it and make this happen!

 

[AE14]

Another solid debate last night for Romney and Newt. If Perry was not finished before, he is now.

 

[ax1]

Another solid debate last night for Romney and Newt. If Perry was not finished before, he is now.

I cant miss late night TV w/ Leno and Letterman after that one!

Id dont want Perry to go away just yet, wish he hangs in as much as possible, this is great!!!!!!!!!

 

[kingdong]

Another solid debate last night for Romney and Newt. If Perry was not finished before, he is now.

LOL! I think its funny that a month ago my man Ron Paul's own fan base kept saying how he could never win, but in the last month its starting to seem like he might have a chance of jumping from the hopeful third to the hopeful second with Romney's behavior. Bachman and Gingrech don't stand a chance anymore, and with Cains new reputation as a boob grabber, things are looking up!

 

[ax1]

LOL! I think its funny that a month ago my man Ron Paul's own fan base kept saying how he could never win, but in the last month its starting to seem like he might have a chance of jumping from the hopeful third to the hopeful second whith Romney's behavior, and hes got a good shot at hopeful seconed. Bachman and Gingrech don't stand a chance anymore, and with Cains new reputation as a boob grabber, things are looking up!

CNBC pulled their online poll off the net last night after 25 short minutes after Ron Paul was winning on a major landslide.

 

[kingdong]

Spread the word! Its out job to override the media. I have to apologize for basiclly confusing Romney with Perry above by the way.

 

[AE14]

LOL! I think its funny that a month ago my man Ron Paul's own fan base kept saying how he could never win, but in the last month its starting to seem like he might have a chance of jumping from the hopeful third to the hopeful second with Romney's behavior. Bachman and Gingrech don't stand a chance anymore, and with Cains new reputation as a boob grabber, things are looking up!

Completely disagree about Newt. He just got a super PAC,and is the one most likely to see an increase as a result of the Perry and Cain debacles.

Just curious about Romney's behavior? What did you mean?

 

[EasyEJL]

Completely disagree about Newt. He just got a super PAC,and is the one most likely to see an increase as a result of the Perry and Cain debacles.

Just curious about Romney's behavior? What did you mean?

yeah, newt is way more likely than paul regardless of me preferring paul. but I'd be happy voting for him, paul, or romney, none of the others

 

[Fastone]

Perry is a gift, maybe he and Michelle Bachman can get together and take their show on the road. Maybe Herman Cain can be their front man

 

[kingdong]

Completely disagree about Newt. He just got a super PAC,and is the one most likely to see an increase as a result of the Perry and Cain debacles.

Just curious about Romney's behavior? What did you mean?

Something slipped my brain and I switched Perrys and Romneys positions on the poles for a minute.

 

[ax1]

This is getting worse, Ron Paul only got 89 seconds to speak at the CBS debate, what a big sham the system is.

Both Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann are crying foul after what they said were unfair efforts to limit their air time during CBS' Republican presidential debate on Saturday night.
In an email sent out after the debate entitled "What a Joke," the Paul campaign ripped CBS for allowing the Texas Congressman only a minute and a half of air time in the 90 minute debate.
"It literally made me sick watching the mainstream media once again silence the one sane voice in this election," said Campaign Manager John Tate. "The one dissenter to a decade of unchecked war. The one candidate who stands for true defense and actual constitutional government. Ron Paul was silenced, in perhaps the most important debate of the cycle."
http://exeter.patch.com/articles/ron-paul-silenced-by-cbs

 

[kingdong]

This is getting worse, Ron Paul only got 89 seconds to speak at the CBS debate, what a big sham the system is.

Both Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann are crying foul after what they said were unfair efforts to limit their air time during CBS' Republican presidential debate on Saturday night.
In an email sent out after the debate entitled "What a Joke," the Paul campaign ripped CBS for allowing the Texas Congressman only a minute and a half of air time in the 90 minute debate.
"It literally made me sick watching the mainstream media once again silence the one sane voice in this election," said Campaign Manager John Tate. "The one dissenter to a decade of unchecked war. The one candidate who stands for true defense and actual constitutional government. Ron Paul was silenced, in perhaps the most important debate of the cycle."
http://exeter.patch.com/articles/ron-paul-silenced-by-cbs

And the only guy who could get the world to stop thinking were *******s. I whatched the debates. They were pathetic. Im writing "research Ron Paul" on the bottom of every dollar to get the message out.

 

[ax1]

And the only guy who could get the world to stop thinking were *******s. I whatched the debates. They were pathetic. Im writing "research Ron Paul" on the bottom of every dollar to get the message out.

Um....thats illegal, delete your post. Well....I quoted you too late, lol

 

[kingdong]

Um....thats illegal, delete your post. Well....I quoted you too late, lol

Illegal, technically. Dose anyone ever really care, not so much. Its like spitting on the sidewalk.

 

[kingdong]

Keres a petition to get Ron Paul on 60 minutes!: http://www.change.org/petitions/cbs-news-60-minutes-get-ron-paul-on-60-minutes

 

[ax1]

Illegal, technically. Dose anyone ever really care, not so much. Its like spitting on the sidewalk.

They will just add it to our domestic terrorist data records.

Ron Paul supporters, as well as Constitutionalists, Returning Veterans, etc....are considered potential domestic terrorists by Department of Homeland Security.

I used to have an official mainstream media report on this, but we have no freedom of press in this country anymore. They are trying to link us to ""rightwing extremist activity."

From Washington Times:
Story has been removed - Washington Times
"That story has been removed from the site
Every so often we are forced to remove stories from our site. We’re sorry but you just happened to request one of them."

 

[ax1]

Good riddance to that Federal Reserve Banking Thug....

And F- job to the media for focusing on his irrelevant sexual activities instead of focusing on his illegal unconstitutional banking activities, connections, and criminal thug cartels.

 

[Conagher]

Good riddance to that Federal Reserve Banking Thug....

And F- job to the media for focusing on his irrelevant sexual activities instead of focusing on his illegal unconstitutional banking activities, connections, and criminal thug cartels.

Sad thing is that he will continue to make money from paid public conventions and selling books,much like Palin did by draping herself in the red,white and blue,then whoring it out for all the money she could milk from it.

 

[Conagher]

Spread the word! Its out job to override the media. I have to apologize for basiclly confusing Romney with Perry above by the way.

The media sells it and the majority of people buy it.Too many people lack the capacity for critical thinking.They let mass media do it for them.

 

[ax1]

Sad thing is that he will continue to make money from paid public conventions and selling books,much like Palin did by draping herself in the red,white and blue,then whoring it out for all the money she could milk from it.

Yup, he is a household name now, kinda like Hulk Hogan.

 

[AE14]

that is all he wanteds. I dont really believe he wanted to be President, I think (like Trump) he is an attention wh0re, nothing more.

 

[Conagher]

that is all he wanteds. I dont really believe he wanted to be President, I think (like Trump) he is an attention wh0re, nothing more.

That is the conclusion I came to,also.

 

[Whacked]

He's my guy too. He's now in the lead for the GOP

Newt Gingrich is my guy. It is an uphill climb but he has seen some movement recently.

 

[carpee]

He's my guy too. He's now in the lead for the GOP

Aw man a Teddy Roosevelt conservative?
Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

But newt would be an improvement over Obama, nonetheless

 

[Whacked]

LOL
I think it will go down to Newt vs Mitt and Mitt is a phony IMO

Michelle Bachman espouses MY beliefs the most but she cant win

 

[carpee]

LOL
I think it will go down to Newt vs Mitt and Mitt is a phony IMO

Michelle Bachman espouses MY beliefs the most but she cant win

Yeah.
Im not the only one whos tired of this political machine.

Unfortunately the next one will still be for big government and less freedoms....just depends if it's packaged as democratic "income equality" (which is redistribution of wealth) or a Teddy Roosevelt loving conservative

 

[Whacked]

Nail on head.

 

[ax1]

Is the election over yet? Who won McCain?

 

[fueledpassion]

Yeah.
Im not the only one whos tired of this political machine.

Unfortunately the next one will still be for big government and less freedoms....just depends if it's packaged as democratic "income equality" (which is redistribution of wealth) or a Teddy Roosevelt loving conservative

So true. Either way, they're all socialist to some degree or another.

I personally had hopes for either Bachman or Perry. Gingrich is ok and seems to be anti-socialist, but that doesn't mean he's telling the truth either. Mitt, well, I dunno about him either. In some ways I could have confidence in him and in others I'd fear another socialist leap in society under his reign.

As for Ron, he's done. And I liked him too other than his foreign policy (which sucked pretty hard). He ought to do the honorable thing and move to independent party to help out the race against Obama. In the end, I want a republican more than anything. And so that means I'm more interested in a candidate that has good debating skills and has lots of money. After all, whats the point in having my Bachman or Perry just to see them get crushed by Obama and the media?

 

[EasyEJL]

they call paul's foreign policy isolationist because it goes against the military industrial complex, not because it's actually isolationist. Name 1 other country that has more than 5 military bases on foreign soil? Cutting foreign aid isn't isolationist either, how much aid do other countries spray around?

 

[ax1]

they call paul's foreign policy isolationist because it goes against the military industrial complex, not because it's actually isolationist. Name 1 other country that has more than 5 military bases on foreign soil? Cutting foreign aid isn't isolationist either, how much aid do other countries spray around?

Right ^ and we still give aid to China too, we take from the poor here and give to the rich there what a joke.

Calling Ron Paul an "isolationist" reminds me of old Communist China with Mao Tse Tung when they would use these silly slogans to knock off all political opposition. Also reminds me of grade school when they would label a student nobody liked and everybody for some reason was hypnotized into believe the victim is just exactly that which is the silly slogan.

I'm more interested in a candidate that has good debating skills and has lots of money.

To a majority of voters having good debating skills requires having good acting skills, looking good on camera, having your makup done right and speaking to the audience as if your speaking to a group of 2nd graders. Simple questions and non-specific answers, whoever does the best run around and looks best doing it gets the votes. Thats why in some of these debates such as the CBS debate, they gave Ron Paul 89 seconds in a 60 minute time slot because what he says isnt meant for the average simple viewer watching the debate (as well as the effort by the corporations to blackout of Ron Paul )

 

[CROWLER]

I thought you were dead?

 

[ax1]

I thought you were dead?

Im fine, Im with 2PAC...I just was tired of running the country and needed a way out.