EC vs. New Geneartion Of Fat Burners

Synapsin said:
^^^ I take 100 mg of caff and 24 mg of ephedrine pre workout.

As for the topic of this current thread, it is a tricky subject. Ephedrine and caffeine have numerous studies behind the combination of the two, while the alternatives do not. The alternatives (norcodrene in mind), do however, possess their own unique pathways targeting fat loss that you wouldn't be otherwise utilizing by using the EC stack. Ultimately its up to you, but you could always alternate the two when you want to cycle off of one or the other and see for yourself. I personally add Y whenever I'm using the EC stack and I don't bother of course when I'm using norcodrene.
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Thanks for the info. Do you not add additional Y to Norcodrene cause it's already dosed high? Could additional Y be added to Norcodrene? Was there a considerable and noticeable difference between EC and ECY? thanks again and in4 replies
 
tybolton said:
Thanks for the info. Do you not add additional Y to Norcodrene cause it's already dosed high? Could additional Y be added to Norcodrene? Was there a considerable and noticeable difference between EC and ECY? thanks again and in4 replies
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Norco has a pretty good dose and I personally don't like having too much Y, it can be rough if you're sensitive to it. You could certainly add Y to it, but it's not needed. There is indeed a difference between EC and ECY, but it is most noticeable if you are already lean.
 
I have tried EC with no results. Is there something im missing here.
 
chedapalooza said:
Bronkaid and either caffeine or a stim like norcodrene, original OEP, super hd, etc..
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I have tried all of those Hydroxy, Norco, Alphamine, OEP...you name it. Non responder in many ways. I powerlift and kept diet clean. I can muscle with ease but can;t drop the fat no matter what combination of fat burners I used.
 
HokiePride said:
I have tried all of those Hydroxy, Norco, Alphamine, OEP...you name it. Non responder in many ways. I powerlift and kept diet clean. I can muscle with ease but can;t drop the fat no matter what combination of fat burners I used.
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Maybe you need to reverse diet then. You could be eating too clean for too long.
 
HokiePride said:
I have tried EC with no results. Is there something im missing here.
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I've heard a few people say they didn't feel anything on EC. Do you use a lot of stims? There are those who barely move with a scoop of Craze. For me, EC gives me unbelievable energy and focus for hours.
 
Those Slim SX from about 5 years ago are by far the best thing ever! Even phentermine from the doctor does not compare.
 
HokiePride said:
I have tried all of those Hydroxy, Norco, Alphamine, OEP...you name it. Non responder in many ways. I powerlift and kept diet clean. I can muscle with ease but can;t drop the fat no matter what combination of fat burners I used.
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Try a no carb diet coupled with glycogen depletion for a few days. I guarantee you'll lose weight (water and fat)
 
Rhadam said:
Studies with humans and ephedrine have not significantly produced positive results in strength increase. It is also my opinion that ephedrine, even when combined with caffeine, does not significantly increase strength. Realistically what you're experiencing is placebo.
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Exactly. It is just YOUR opinion.

Studies posted by coop and tons of experience indicates otherwise.
 
goodvibes said:
Exactly. It is just YOUR opinion.

Studies posted by coop and tons of experience indicates otherwise.
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There is no doubt that my ability to lift more increases with EC. I don't go all out because it increases my HR: before, during and after. That's what it does...

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"RESULTS:

Ephedrine increased power output during the early phase of the Wingate test, whereas C increased time to exhaustion and O(2) deficit during the MAOD test. C, E, and C+E increased blood lactate, glucose, and catecholamine levels.
CONCLUSION:

The improvement in anaerobic exercise performance is likely a result of both stimulation of the CNS by E and skeletal muscle by C."
 
Are most of you using Bronkaid and caffeine pills. How long did any of you take it before seeing results. I know everyone is different but I just was trying to gauge based on other peoples experience!
 
Go to walgreens and get their generic bronkaid. It is 9 bucks for 60 tabs which will run you fir a month if you do 25mg twice a day. I prefer pharma grade caffeine anhydrous powder over pills. I got like 4 ounces for 7 bucks. That will last me for almost eternity.
 
HokiePride said:
Are most of you using Bronkaid and caffeine pills. How long did any of you take it before seeing results. I know everyone is different but I just was trying to gauge based on other peoples experience!
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Yep, using Bronkaid 25 mg and CVS 200 mg caffeine pills. I notice results from the first dose. The most notable effects from day 1 is focus and energy. Even after lifting, I feel the need to find something to do. I can go longer periods without eating, but it's not like I can't eat. I sit at the computer for long periods of time (my job), and have no problem writing a few thousand words while on EC.
 
I urinate about 500x more often when I'm on EC also. But yeah I ran it for a month and leaned out pretty nicely. I took two weeks off and just started another month today.
 
Swolljaboi said:
I urinate about 500x more often when I'm on EC also. But yeah I ran it for a month and leaned out pretty nicely. I took two weeks off and just started another month today.
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You can run EC for up to 24 weeks per studies. You're better off In terms of blood pressure by staying on longer.. 12 weeks at least
 
Swolljaboi said:
I urinate about 500x more often when I'm on EC also. But yeah I ran it for a month and leaned out pretty nicely. I took two weeks off and just started another month today.
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I hate the prostate sides associated with it. That's why I switched over to albuterol. Way less sides and better fat loss.
 
I didn't realize there were prostate sides. I always attributed the peeing to water loss and the fact that I chug water like a maniac when I'm on it.
 
The Engineer said:
I hate the prostate sides associated with it. That's why I switched over to albuterol. Way less sides and better fat loss.
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Swolljaboi said:
I didn't realize there were prostate sides. I always attributed the peeing to water loss and the fact that I chug water like a maniac when I'm on it.
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..... What are u guys talking about lol ephedrine and caffeine are both diuretics. It won't do a thing to your prostate.

Edit- didnt mean for this to sound harsh or rude. I was in the middle of a small argument w gf lol sorry
 
chedapalooza said:
..... What are u guys talking about lol ephedrine and caffeine are both diuretics. It won't do a thing to your prostate
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Not necessarily. Though not really the prostate, many confuse it though. So I can see why that was mentioned.

Nor-epinephrine can cause a somewhat ejaculation type event. It has happened to me when strung out too much on Ephedrine. Minding your own business urinating and some seminal fluid feels like making its way out for no reason. I have heard people confuse that with a prostate issue, but it is not. Just a result of a high noradrenergic state (This is why some people actually prematurely ejaculate when nervous).
 
DAdams91982 said:
Not necessarily. Though not really the prostate, many confuse it though. So I can see why that was mentioned.

Nor-epinephrine can cause a somewhat ejaculation type event. It has happened to me when strung out too much on Ephedrine. Minding your own business urinating and some seminal fluid feels like making its way out for no reason. I have heard people confuse that with a prostate issue, but it is not. Just a result of a high noradrenergic state (This is why some people actually prematurely ejaculate when nervous).
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Interesting. Now that you mentioned that, when I used to use adderall for school I'd always get the feeling you described.
 
To be clear, here is how ephedrine affects the prostate:

The alpha 1 adrenoreceptor, which is agonized chiefly by NE in the bladder neck, is stimulated by ephedrine. This causes the bladder neck to clamp down, which makes urination difficult, leading to increased post-void residual volume and more frequent urination. This is also the target of drugs like tamsulosin as part of BPH treatment
 
mr.cooper69 said:
To be clear, here is how ephedrine affects the prostate:

The alpha 1 adrenoreceptor, which is agonized chiefly by NE in the bladder neck, is stimulated by ephedrine. This causes the bladder neck to clamp down, which makes urination difficult, leading to increased post-void residual volume and more frequent urination. This is also the target of drugs like tamsulosin as part of BPH treatment
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The reason besides BP increase and poor results compared to diet alone why i didnt use EC anymore.In Europe its also highly restricted
 
I see. Well the BP issues actually resolve with months of continuous use, and longterm EC users actually have lower BP than placebo as per studies
 
goodvibes said:
Exactly. It is just YOUR opinion.

Studies posted by coop and tons of experience indicates otherwise.
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Do you know the difference between trained and untrained subjects?

Do you know there's a lot more to a study than reading the abstract?

Lmao

For years glutamine had a plethora of experienced users touting its benefits. We now know otherwise. Note: I'm not saying ephedrine will be disproved, I'm saying that people will attribute any change in performance to a supplement regardless of whether its true or not.
 
Rhadam said:
Do you know the difference between trained and untrained subjects?

Do you know there's a lot more to a study than reading the abstract?

Lmao

For years glutamine had a plethora of experienced users touting its benefits. We now know otherwise. Note: I'm not saying ephedrine will be disproved, I'm saying that people will attribute any change in performance to a supplement regardless of whether its true or not.
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Have you taken eca? I don't know anyone that has taken it and didn't experience an increase in performance. We're talking about stacking two effective stimulants. Trained or untrained you are going to get a boost. I didn't even know about these studies.

I took it for weight loss, but was more amazed by strength gains. If you dnt think so then that's just YOUR opinion. You said so yourself :)
 
WOW!! thanks for all of the replies and information, I'm definitely hearing/learning some things about EC that I didn't (know)/haven't heard before. As time goes on, we learn more and more about supplements/ingredients. In the past, EC raised my BP -- a little. I now stack it with agmatine and potassium nitrate. BP stays in the normal range after lifting heavy...
 
mr.cooper69 said:
To be clear, here is how ephedrine affects the prostate:

The alpha 1 adrenoreceptor, which is agonized chiefly by NE in the bladder neck, is stimulated by ephedrine. This causes the bladder neck to clamp down, which makes urination difficult, leading to increased post-void residual volume and more frequent urination. This is also the target of drugs like tamsulosin as part of BPH treatment
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Don't know why, but EC makes me want to jump on the wife... The last few days I've been stacking EC + F95 (2 weeks in) + agmatine + potassium nitrate + alcar.... INSATIABLE
 
I never got a chance to try EC or ECA, so I can't directly compare/contrast, but there are definitely some fat burners that do the trick. I really like MTS Drop Factor (extra credit for full label transparency), APS Phenadrine and for those missing USPLabs OEP, believe it or not, Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals HydroxyElite is basically an ingredient-for-ingredient clone (even that sweet, sweet 1,3 DMAA!) and has the same focus/appetite suppressing properties of OEP.

Then to really ramp things up, I'll stack any of the above with 15mg of Yohimbine HCL, hit the gym and let the sweating begin!
 
DR325 said:
I never got a chance to try EC or ECA, so I can't directly compare/contrast, but there are definitely some fat burners that do the trick. I really like MTS Drop Factor (extra credit for full label transparency), APS Phenadrine and for those missing USPLabs OEP, believe it or not, Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals HydroxyElite is basically an ingredient-for-ingredient clone (even that sweet, sweet 1,3 DMAA!) and has the same focus/appetite suppressing properties of OEP.

Then to really ramp things up, I'll stack any of the above with 15mg of Yohimbine HCL, hit the gym and let the sweating begin!
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Gonna have to look into that -- Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals HydroxyElite...Miss OG OEP
 
tybolton said:
Gonna have to look into that -- Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals HydroxyElite...Miss OG OEP
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Yeah, the only difference is Hi-Tech added garcinia cambogia (my guess is to jump on the marketing bandwagon), but it isn't part of the prop blend, so the original OEP ingredient list is basically unaltered. I think you'll like it, though nothing will every truly replace those magic purple pills.
 
Do you take ECA ON EMPTY STOMACH and wait 30 minutes before eating or does it matter?
 
HokiePride said:
Do you take ECA ON EMPTY STOMACH and wait 30 minutes before eating or does it matter?
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Yes empty stomach and the longer you wait to eat, the better for optimal benefits.
 
Chedda and Kbayne answered this already! The answers that followed confused me!
 
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