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DS Craze Lawsuit and FDA Action

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thanks.... so to some... the financial gains may far outweigh the risk/punishment... gotta love it!
 
Afi140 said:
thanks.... so to some... the financial gains may far outweigh the risk/punishment... gotta love it!
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Welcome to life. This is how most recalls work, including cars. Whether it is cheaper to settle to defects when the accident arises versus fixing every flaw
 
jamesm11 said:
Welcome to life. This is how most recalls work, including cars. Whether it is cheaper to settle to defects when the accident arises versus fixing every flaw
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Obviously accidents happen. But was this an accident? Wasn't there emails asking for a specific designer PEA compound? That may or may not be real. But according to ds. Every single lot has been tested? So something has to give. Sucks when it comes to people's health
 
So I just opened one of my original craze tubs and went off to the gym. I can definitely tell you that the OG craze is totally different and more potent than the crazolade I had earlier this year. I have been back from the gym for about 2 hours and am still peaking, crazolade seems like a totally different product (probably is lol). I have also been taking alphamine but didn't have any with the craze so I could try and make a comparison between craze and crazolade.
 
I just got my test results back Monday from the lab and all negative. I actually got a hold of a Craze rep and was re-assured that I would not test positive amphetamines, for what ever that is worth. I really think that if anyone blames this product for producing positive drug test results for amphetamine/methamphetamine, guess what, they are using meth or a form of prescription amphetamine.

This pwo is great and I am so glad I can continually use it!
 
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The new tubs work just as good as the old. At first the old grape made me feel more calm while the crazolade made very feel more hyper and heart jumpy. But all in all, it has the same effects. It works. plain and simple. I just hope its not burning my brain every time i take it.
 
For what it is worth, I don't think they are the same. The first two tubs of the original made my heart race and I wrote about it. Strength increase was noticable right away. I took about 5-6 weeks off preworkouts, and started taking craze again, this time it is the new version, but same flavor.I expected due to the time off my heart would be racing again and see the same results, but got nothing. I do get focus in the gym, but not the same and at times cut my workout short. Strength went down, but I would not attribute that to Craze although I expected same effect. Now, back to looking for a good preworkout.as far as testing goes, had to do drug test for work, but was off craze for about a week, and came back negative.
 
fadi said:
For what it is worth, I don't think they are the same. The first two tubs of the original made my heart race and I wrote about it. Strength increase was noticable right away. I took about 5-6 weeks off preworkouts, and started taking craze again, this time it is the new version, but same flavor.I expected due to the time off my heart would be racing again and see the same results, but got nothing. I do get focus in the gym, but not the same and at times cut my workout short. Strength went down, but I would not attribute that to Craze although I expected same effect. Now, back to looking for a good preworkout.as far as testing goes, had to do drug test for work, but was off craze for about a week, and came back negative.
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Yup......


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...Nothing beats amphetamines.
 
Est1969 said:
How do you tell a new tub from an old?

I think I am on my fifth and the all look the same. Candy grape flavor.
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The old one works and the new Craze is just a run of the mill pre.

If you have tried ADD medications you will know the difference; not that I ever have.
 
The original tubs had Trimethylglycine listed as the first ingredient. The newer ones list creatine mono first. Hope that helps.
 
jamesm11 said:
Welcome to life. This is how most recalls work, including cars. Whether it is cheaper to settle to defects when the accident arises versus fixing every flaw
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Toyota?
 
I just bought a tub that has the tmg listed as the first ingredient. hmmm thats weird. But the feeling was the same as always. i find the grape is more of a calm energy compared to the crazolade though
 
im thinking of ordering craze , but all this stuff about it being unhealthy is pushing me away can anyone enlighten me on whats up with this product?!?!?
 
justinmonty said:
im thinking of ordering craze , but all this stuff about it being unhealthy is pushing me away can anyone enlighten me on whats up with this product?!?!?
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honestly it's kinda up in the air, it will either be the best thing ever for you or you won't get much out of it, doesn't seem to be much middle ground. Search through the threads and if you believe Patrick Arnold, which I do, then there was an unlisted ingredient in the batch he tested. That being said I don't stress and it's the best PWO I have tried to date and I can say for a fact I have tried almost all of them. There are a few others I really like, but Craze is a different animal no huge rush of energy like other's but huge focus and drive that lasts forever. Craze is Thick.Solid.Tight.
 
Ninjo said:
The original tubs had Trimethylglycine listed as the first ingredient. The newer ones list creatine mono first. Hope that helps.
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Just received a new craze from bb.com tmg is the first ingredient. Anyone know specific lot numbers so I could compare? I know bb.com is in bed with ds. So if it was tainted don't u think they toss the tainted batches? I know for a fact there is a difference between the new and old that's for sure.
 
it also has a different lid from the tub in my cabinet. Is that common place to have different lids? They have different lot numbers but both exp 4/15
 
mr.cooper69 said:
OG batch 10/14. Works as well as ever. Almost an "essential" for late night study sessions
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How is it working in terms of helping you learn new information? I have

Currently I am using this noot stack

1 scoop focus xt
3g piracetam
2g alcar

I am going to buy aniracetam and prami.
I might add phenylpiracetam to try it. I am liking the effects of this but it doesn't provide enough alertness to keep me focus for more than 4 hours

I have subiltamine which helps me out after a couple hours studying
 
Austinmck17 said:
How is it working in terms of helping you learn new information? I have

Currently I am using this noot stack

1 scoop focus xt
3g piracetam
2g alcar

I am going to buy aniracetam and prami.
I might add phenylpiracetam to try it. I am liking the effects of this but it doesn't provide enough alertness to keep me focus for more than 4 hours

I have subiltamine which helps me out after a couple hours studying
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The effect on learning and retention is nil, but the energy is a welcome addition when the desire to sleep takes hold. Who says I'm not combining it with a scoop of stim-free focus xt + aniracetam? Phenyl/demiurge is great as well
 
Is there anywhere I can acquire some n-benzyl-2-pea, and just add it to the new bottles of craze to get the same effect. I really miss what it can do for me.
 
just tried the new "old" bottle. Same as the new ones, not the same as the originals... Bummer.
 
i have one that is lot 1204131

does anyone have the same lot and if so what was their opinion of the lot?
 
Patrick Arnold said:
i have one that is lot 1204131

does anyone have the same lot and if so what was their opinion of the lot?
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I have 4131. just finished it. Definitely NOT the original.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
i have one that is lot 1204131

does anyone have the same lot and if so what was their opinion of the lot?
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I think you need Coopers October 2014 batch. Those were the "good" ones
 
Afi140 said:
I have 4131. just finished it. Definitely NOT the original.
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well i havent tried it but i had someone else try it and they didnt think it was anything special. but then that person never had the original


and i came across this on bb.com. this guy seems to think it WAS like the original. odd

Grape Flavor - Same effects I had been having since I first purchased the product. Mental clarity and distinct euphoric feeling with smooth energy.
Lot # 1204131
Exp. 4/15
Purchased 10/10/2012
 
In case anyone wants to compare, I have a tub from lot #1206421 in the Berry Lemonade flavor. I have used it on several occasions (with each one always being spaced two weeks from the last), and I have never felt anything from it. It is basically no more useful or effective than a nastier-tasting Crystal Light. Prior to buying the Berry Lemonade tub, I had never tried Craze before and wish I hadn't wasted my money on it.
 
SpicedCider said:
In case anyone wants to compare, I have a tub from lot #1206421 in the Berry Lemonade flavor. I have used it on several occasions (with each one always being spaced two weeks from the last), and I have never felt anything from it. It is basically no more useful or effective than a nastier-tasting Crystal Light. Prior to buying the Berry Lemonade tub, I had never tried Craze before and wish I hadn't wasted my money on it.
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I tried the OG it was amazing hands Down the best energy/focus supp on the market. I have the berry lemonade one from bb dot com and it sucks I even add mio energy into my two scoops.
 
SpicedCider said:
In case anyone wants to compare, I have a tub from lot #1206421 in the Berry Lemonade flavor. I have used it on several occasions (with each one always being spaced two weeks from the last), and I have never felt anything from it. It is basically no more useful or effective than a nastier-tasting Crystal Light. Prior to buying the Berry Lemonade tub, I had never tried Craze before and wish I hadn't wasted my money on it.
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What a shame. I have a very high tolerance to stimulants and CRAZE worked for me. Granted the effect wore off after some weeks of usage. But that wouldn't apply to you.


Next time, just pop two ephedrine/bronkade. That always does the job for me.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
well i havent tried it but i had someone else try it and they didnt think it was anything special. but then that person never had the original

and i came across this on bb.com. this guy seems to think it WAS like the original. odd

Grape Flavor - Same effects I had been having since I first purchased the product. Mental clarity and distinct euphoric feeling with smooth energy.
Lot # 1204131
Exp. 4/15
Purchased 10/10/2012
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I can 99.9% positively say it is not the same. Bought one of the first lots. Had crazy energy focus combined. Now. No real energy. Focus is there but it's like a zoned out lazy focus. Nothing at all like the early batches
 
I had my own interesting experience, but it was never even acknowledged by the reps or the droves of mindless followers. I don't expect answers here, but maybe it can add to grouping of people experiencing different degrees of effect. All the tubs were purchased between June and the beginning of October.


In to see how many regular posters will suck at timelines...again.

Edit: My experience was similar.
Crazeolade - Felt "dirty" and jittery at start of tub. High focus, but low cognitive ability. Developed mental tolerance halfway through tub. Body numbness throughout the whole tub.


Grape- Purchased IMMEDIATELY after finished with crazeolade. Felt mental euphoria and better cognitive ability. No numbness. Developed tolerance halfway through tub. Remember, I had already built tolerance to last tub, but felt effects immediately with new tub.


Crazeolade again - after 2 week break. Felt jack squat.


No lot #s
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I'd also love to know why the discrepancy between repeat users taking breaks and then feeling nothing, and the new users having great experiences. Does everyone build/reduce tolerance differently?
 
Im interested in everyones feeling about the product so far. I have decided that i am going to lay off it for a while. Probably until next year. I seem to realize that my heart rate is going way to high when i take it (This is both TMG and Creatine tubs). So im laying off it for a while, and ill try it again, but i honestly dont love it like i use to. My friend even said his brother who previously used cocaine went to the gym with him and said he looked like he took cocaine. If you dont know what im talking about, refer to the good man in video below. you can clearly see theres some speed in this ****. im just gonna lay off it for now. any updates and is everyone still using? lol

IN THE VIDEO BELOW, go to 2:50 and you see crack in his eyes
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Only taking it twice a week now. On chest & back day & on arms. 1 & 1/2 scoops good enough for me. Dont have that dazed feeling & i can still eat afterwards. Going to look into fierce domination from SAN.
 
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