Dragon93 on HGH Pro.

GoHardOrGoHme said:
Thats better responses then i expected! Great news and excellent observations for each question.

About upping the dose...i did that once and that was an intense experience
felt very groggy, sleep was super deep and dreams were extremely realistic. I woke up after 12 hours still feeling tired and groggy. My recovery improved but it left me hardly functional the following day. But you are a larger individual then myself so maybe someone around ur size has done it and can share their experience.
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I have not felt any need to up the dose.
 
Shoulders

Rev T-cup (Lateral raise come up move to front come down go back up go to side and back down = 1 rep)
10-15 15-10/10/7

Dumbbell upright row
25-10/10/10

Arnold press
25-10/10/10

100 crunches on ball.
 
Dragon93 said:
Rev T-cup (Lateral raise come up move to front come down go back up go to side and back down = 1 rep)
10-15 15-10/10/7

Dumbbell upright row
25-10/10/10

Arnold press
25-10/10/10

100 crunches on ball.
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Way to bang those shoulders!!!
 
MrBigPR said:
i still gotta get me a pair
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You may not want to advertise this.... I know out of context. LOL
Dragon93 said:
The info I have is in some of my book. You can also find allot about it in muscle development. It lower both sex hormones. but in men lowering test will make estrogen rise.

Here is one web site that has some info.Invalid Link Removed

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Possible side effects and precautions
Green tea, even in large amounts, is associated with very few side effects. In mice, signs of toxicity were only observed when doses reached 2 g/kg daily of an 80% polyphenol abstract (this is about the equivalent of 8 cups per pound of body weight, per day – 1200 cups of tea in a 150 lb. individual) [80].

It is possible that large amounts of polyphenols could impair mineral absorption, making extra mineral supplements a wise course of action. Of primary importance is a significant inhibition of nonheme iron absorption, which is relevant if most of your iron comes from sources other than meat [81, 82]. It is possible that there is also mild inhibition of calcium, manganese, and zinc [83, 84], although there is a study that disputes the finding of impaired zinc absorption [84]. The only place where the phenomenon of significant mineral blockage by green tea has even been of worry is in Tunisia, where there is high tea intake and non-meat products are the primary source of dietay iron [81]. However, it may be prudent to take a multivitamin supplement that provides adequate amounts of these minerals at a separate time or a low-dose slow release iron supplement if one decides to consume large amounts of polyphenols.

A concern that is commonly brought up about green tea is the idea that it decreases levels of androgens such as testosterone and DHT. One study reported that after administered to rats, EGCG "significantly reduced food intake; body weight; blood levels of testosterone, estradiol, leptin, insulin, insulin-like growth factor I, LH, glucose, cholesterol, and triglyceride" [22]. However, a different study with green tea catechins in rats found decreased body weight but increased thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH), LH, and testosterone levels [85]. A final study in mice with green tea indicated drastic increases in both testosterone and DHT from green tea treatment, but levels of both were synergistically inhibited when it was adminstered along with soy phytochemicals [86]. In vitro, EGCG inhibits type I 5AR [2, 87], which is partially responsible for the conversion of testosterone to DHT (for this reason, it has been proposed in the topical treatment of acne and hair loss [2]), while in rats, green tea is an aromatase inhibitor, which (in theory) would be responsible for an increase in tesotsterone levels [85].

So, how does one make sense of this mess of contadictory data? It should first be noted that 5AR inhibition has only been shown in vitro [87], while it has not been observed in live animals – in fact, drastic increases in DHT have been found - and it seems that other constituents of green tea counteract the 5AR inhibition [88]. The conclusions of the first study, which found drastic decreases in body weight, testosterone, and other hormones, are very misleading. A drastic reduction in levels of all of the substances mentioned can unfortunately be expected from weight loss in any situation (which is one of the reasons losing weight without losing muscle mass is so difficult). Indeed, when the authors of the same study restricted the food intake of the rats to cause a similar weight loss to that induced by EGCG, similar effects were seen, implying that the changes were not due to EGCG but due to drastic body weight loss [22]. The effect green tea has on levels of androgens and other hormones is complex and depends on various factors, but no detrimental effects have as of yet been seen in human populations. "


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In addition to decreased food intake and body weight, rats injected with EGCG had lower levels of testosterone (70 percent less in the bloodstream) and insulin. "These results may not have been a direct result of EGCG since food restriction could also cause these hormones to drop," said Liao.

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I am about 98% sure all of the negative hormonal reaction is in direct result to a lack of food creating a lack of anabolism. Had they fed the rats intravenously counteracting the effects of lower appetite this would not have happened. Rats just aren't as smart as we are they don't know they need food if they aren't hungry. So they won't eat. These are similar results to a blood test on an anorexic person. Too many or too few controls in a study take the real world applications out of it all together.

I know you upped it to a 10 out of 10, I just wanted to make that point.
Sorry I am here so late Dragon.
 
Arms

I did a 6sec. neg. on all lifts

Press downs
50-15 70-10/8/7

Dumbbell preacher with FAT GRIPZ
25-15 30-10/10/10

1 Handed rev grip press downs
30-10/8/8

Hammers
30-10/10/10

21s Dumbbell curls with FAT GRIPZ
30/1set

Great pump Gained 3/4 inch in pump.
 
great post! 2 questions though. first, when i get my bottle should i finish HGHpro before I start my AI Cycle Support and/or Hdrol cycle, or even wait and use HGHpro during PCT? second, with a lot of the hype on great sleep and recovery, it doesn't totally knock you out does it? my job requires that i answer quite a few phone calls and possibly have to get up during the middle of the night since i'm the manager. i just don't want it to interfere with my work. but being the nature of my biz, my quality of sleep has suffered since last September when i started this job. will HGHpro help in this area or possibly cause me to miss work-related phone calls? thanks in advance!
 
BANGkris said:
great post! 2 questions though. first, when i get my bottle should i finish HGHpro before I start my AI Cycle Support and/or Hdrol cycle, or even wait and use HGHpro during PCT? second, with a lot of the hype on great sleep and recovery, it doesn't totally knock you out does it? my job requires that i answer quite a few phone calls and possibly have to get up during the middle of the night since i'm the manager. i just don't want it to interfere with my work. but being the nature of my biz, my quality of sleep has suffered since last September when i started this job. will HGHpro help in this area or possibly cause me to miss work-related phone calls? thanks in advance!
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I am also currently taking HGHpro, and I have been able to wake when needed. The sleep is deeper, but not necessarily un-interruptible.
 
BANGkris said:
great post! 2 questions though. first, when i get my bottle should i finish HGHpro before I start my AI Cycle Support and/or Hdrol cycle, or even wait and use HGHpro during PCT? second, with a lot of the hype on great sleep and recovery, it doesn't totally knock you out does it? my job requires that i answer quite a few phone calls and possibly have to get up during the middle of the night since i'm the manager. i just don't want it to interfere with my work. but being the nature of my biz, my quality of sleep has suffered since last September when i started this job. will HGHpro help in this area or possibly cause me to miss work-related phone calls? thanks in advance!
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It does not knock me out. I sleep about the same amount of time but a heck of a lot deeper sleep. I do not see a problem taking it now or in pct it is just a matter of choice.
 
pembroke3355 said:
It does not knock me out. I sleep about the same amount of time but a heck of a lot deeper sleep. I do not see a problem taking it now or in pct it is just a matter of choice.
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thanks Pem. I'm thinking it would be nice to be on HGHpro during the preload and first 3 weeks that it takes the Hdrol to kick in.
 
BANGkris said:
thanks Pem. I'm thinking it would be nice to be on HGHpro during the preload and first 3 weeks that it takes the Hdrol to kick in.
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I would take it with the cycle. HGH with any type of test or Roid will lower myostatin which will help in muscle growth.
 
Had a great night sleep. The first bottle is done time to open the second one tonight.
 
Chest

Last week of taking it easy.

Peck deck
130-15 150-10 170-6/5

incline
120-10/8/7

Flat
120-10/10/10

Decline
120-10/10/10

Rev grip bench
120-8/8/7
 
Another great night sleep. Going to do back tonight. Bought 2 more 25 pound plates.
 
Back

rev grip pull ups
20

Deads
130-10 190-10 250-6 PR/5

Wide grip pull downs
120-10 130-8/5

Rows
200-8/8/7
 
Had yet another great night sleep. All kinds of odd dream. I would tell you what they where but you would need therapy after. :)
 
AMEN my HGHpro dreams are always interesting, often borderline insane. LOL
 
Another great night sleep. Don't remember any dreams. I will be doing shoulders tonight.
 
Shoulders

Military press
100-10 140-8/7 120-10

Front raise
35-10/8 25-10

Laterals
35-8/7 25-10

Shrugs
180-10 250-6 PR /6/5
 
Well I think my dreams would be insane for others. But in my demented mind they make a little sense. LOL
 
Arms

Tri extensions
15-15 25-10/10/10

DB preachers FG
25-15 35-10 40-10/10/7

Press downs
50-15 70-10/10/8

Hammer curls
40-10/10/8
 
Had a great night sleep last night. Went to D icks sporting goods last night and got a $100 pullup bar with Suspension straps for 19.99 so I will start adding some workouts using it this week.
 
Chest

Flat bench
130-10 170-10 230-5pr 250-2pr

Incline bench
150-10 190-0 Lost concentration :( 170-5 150-7

Peck Deck
150-10 170-8 190-4pr 170-6 150-8
 
I had a hard time sleeping last night where it was so warm out. I will be doing back tonight I just hope it cools off.
 
Dragon93 said:
I had a hard time sleeping last night where it was so warm out. I will be doing back tonight I just hope it cools off.
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Getting up to around 90 here, there is no way I could sleep without air conditioning...
 
Back to HELL

Temp today in hell 91

Pull ups
20 warm up

Dead lifts
150-10 210-8 250-5/5/5

Inverted rows with feet on bench
bw-10/10/8

It was too hot to do any thing else so that's it.
 
Well I made up for the lack of sleep. I had a great night and didn't get up until 8:30
 
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