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Aleksandar37 said:
He crossed the border. He did not cross the DMZ which is what you stated, no matter how many news agencies mess that fact up.
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You said he didn't do anything that hasn't been done before by other korean leaders, which again isnt correct. You just want to argue semantics again.

The border is in the center of the DMZ, so he had to cross the North's DMZ to cross the border, right?
 
ax1 said:
Then again, Saddam and Qaddafi also threw off the gloves and said it wasnt worth it. Its a tough call, its going to be hit or miss.....different leaders here in the US can sometimes have variables in foreign policy, different leaders can back stab and set up when needed.

Keep in mind, whats not talked about is that DPRK has trillions of dollars in rare earth minerals that were discovered not too long ago. Being there are resources there that meets the needs of highest levels of sophisticated military tech there is ALOT of interest in North Korea, more so than that black gold in the middle east.
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Is it true we burned out all our rare earth minerals during the color TV boom?
 
Cgkone said:
Is it true we burned out all our rare earth minerals during the color TV boom?
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That would be impossible since there still are rich sources of rare earth minerals/elements. Maybe it was something specific but I dunno much about that stuff at all. I know in DPRK they have stuff our military would love to get their hands on. Just think about this and how China plays a role in the political atmosphere there as China is just as hungry to militarized tech as well, and they have no interest in letting the outside world destroy Korea and its government.
 
youngandfree said:
You said he didn't do anything that hasn't been done before by other korean leaders, which again isnt correct. You just want to argue semantics again.

The border is in the center of the DMZ, so he had to cross the North's DMZ to cross the border, right?
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Crossing the border in the center of the DMZ isnt crossing the DMZ...its just crossing the border within the DMZ.

Unfortunately, Kim couldnt get that far since his country lacked the resources to finance these to help him get that far.

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ax1 said:
That would be impossible since there still are rich sources of rare earth minerals/elements. Maybe it was something specific but I dunno much about that stuff at all. I know in DPRK they have stuff our military would love to get their hands on. Just think about this and how China plays a role in the political atmosphere there as China is just as hungry to militarized tech as well, and they have no interest in letting the outside world destroy Korea and its government.
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When I said ours I meant here in the U.S.
 
ax1 said:
Crossing the border in the center of the DMZ isnt crossing the DMZ...its just crossing the border within the DMZ.

Unfortunately, Kim couldnt get that far since his country lacked the resources to finance these to help him get that far.

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It's crossing the half that hasn't been done since the war.
 
youngandfree said:
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So Iran has still been secretly developing nukes after Obama laundered $1.8 Billion and flew it to Iran on pallets. Iran said they would stop nuclear development in the deal.

No **** they lied. So did Obama.
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Aleksandar37 said:
I'll take Iran's word over Netanyahu any day. We've discussed this issue before. Obama didn't launder that money. It was due to Iran because of an old ass arms deal. It had nothing to do with the nuclear deal. Obama did so much messed up crap that I don't understand the need to make crap up. That does nothing except ruin your own credibility. Following Ben Shapiro doesn't help either.

All that aside, why exactly shouldn't Iran be allowed to have nuclear weapons if we are? Why shouldn't any country be allowed to have nuclear weapons if we are?
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That arms deal was ancient and I actually talked with my best bud last night for hours about a bunch of the crazy **** that was involved during the time frame you are speaking on.

But I don't believe anyone was "making up" Obama's part in the deal so much as correlating it with the time frame and president in office. If you just watched the main stream news on the event you wouldn't know the back story on the drop off.
 
youngandfree said:
It's crossing the half that hasn't been done since the war.
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In Asian cultures (Im most familiar with China) what they (N/S.K) did was extremely symbolic. They are heavily into political symbolism more-so than here in the states imo. Going by that it gives me personal optimism for peace. We just have to give it time and makes sure both sides keep playing their cards right of course.
 
ax1 said:
The US could have used tectonic weapons but this stuff is just so difficult to prove. I would always add that to a range of possibilities.

People will think your out of your mind just for even the mention of these types of weapons, but I dont care, you can easily find mention of tectonic weapons in the governments own documents. I gonna go by that and try to figure this all out by those means.
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Anybody read that bill yet in the link I provided above? Congress brings up everything me and my tin foil hat have been bringing up all these years. This peace is big but thats my opinion. Its Kucinich but whatever.

example:

(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or
 
youngandfree said:
You said he didn't do anything that hasn't been done before by other korean leaders, which again isnt correct. You just want to argue semantics again.

The border is in the center of the DMZ, so he had to cross the North's DMZ to cross the border, right?
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Korean leaders have crossed the DMZ before. In 2000 and 2007, the leader of South Korea met with the leader of North Korea in Pyongyang.

And yes, Kim had to cross the North's DMZ to cross the border, but that isn't what you stated in your original statement. Here's your clue, what is so hard about saying oops, I misspoke and didn't mean to say the DMZ?
 
LiveToLift said:
That arms deal was ancient and I actually talked with my best bud last night for hours about a bunch of the crazy **** that was involved during the time frame you are speaking on.

But I don't believe anyone was "making up" Obama's part in the deal so much as correlating it with the time frame and president in office. If you just watched the main stream news on the event you wouldn't know the back story on the drop off.
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I know and acknowledge the back story on the drop off. You're ignoring facts that don't fit your narrative and then accusing anybody who disagrees with your conspiracy theory as only watching "main stream news" like you have access to any news source that the rest of the world doesn't. There is a clear reason why the money was given. There is a clear reason why the money was delivered the way that it was delivered. Just because some ******* who barely made it out of high school decides to post their theory on reddit or their blog doesn't make it true. If the "main stream news" isn't covering it, maybe that's because it's complete bull****.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Korean leaders have crossed the DMZ before. In 2000 and 2007, the leader of South Korea met with the leader of North Korea in Pyongyang.

And yes, Kim had to cross the North's DMZ to cross the border, but that isn't what you stated in your original statement. Here's your clue, what is so hard about saying oops, I misspoke and didn't mean to say the DMZ?
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I never said it was the first time ANY Korean leader crossed it. I clearly said first NORTH Korean leader to go to the South.
 
youngandfree said:
They already did. Rocket man already crossed the DMZ.
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youngandfree said:
You said he didn't do anything that hasn't been done before by other korean leaders, which again isnt correct. You just want to argue semantics again.

The border is in the center of the DMZ, so he had to cross the North's DMZ to cross the border, right?
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youngandfree said:
I never said it was the first time ANY Korean leader crossed it. I clearly said first NORTH Korean leader to go to the South.
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This started with your statement "Rocket man already crossed the DMZ." I pointed out that isn't true. I'm not even the only one in this thread pointing out that isn't true!

You then said "other korean leaders" and I pointed out that also isn't true. As always, rather than saying oops, I misspoke and meant North Korea leader crossing the border, you claim you've been clearly saying something the whole time which doesn't line up with what you've been saying and then get mad at me and accuse me of jumping on your semantics.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
This started with your statement "Rocket man already crossed the DMZ." I pointed out that isn't true. I'm not even the only one in this thread pointing out that isn't true!

You then said "other korean leaders" and I pointed out that also isn't true. As always, rather than saying oops, I misspoke and meant North Korea leader crossing the border, you claim you've been clearly saying something the whole time which doesn't line up with what you've been saying and then get mad at me and accuse me of jumping on your semantics.
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Which section of the border did Kim cross that's not in the DMZ? And which other North Korean leader has visited South Korea?
 
Cgkone said:
None.
Its a first.
He knows this.
Trump is just getting warmed up brother.
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What part am I lying about? Yes, what youngandfree is now saying, I have not disagreed with. It's a first, but you yourself have made claims that nothing like this has been done before. Clinton sent Albright to speak with North Korea in person. The leaders (who are not the same as now just like our leader isn't) have met before and it went nowhere.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
What part am I lying about? Yes, what youngandfree is now saying, I have not disagreed with. It's a first, but you yourself have made claims that nothing like this has been done before. Clinton sent Albright to speak with North Korea in person. The leaders (who are not the same as now just like our leader isn't) have met before and it went nowhere.
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I didn't say you're lying. But a North Korean president going into South Korea is groundbreaking. Especially because the theme that the media was portraying a couple months ago was Donald Trump is starting World War 3. The South Korean president is giving Trump kudos for the meeting and the South Korean president is the one who said Donald Trump should be given Nobel Peace Prize for it
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Except you had no idea what has even been done until I told you.
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Actually its all over the news that it's never been done before. Even CNN is saying a first-time thing. So actually it was the news that told me that's how I knew it was the first time thing.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Except you had no idea what has even been done until I told you.
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Your the only one that seems to think its been done before.
Kim Jong-un has never met with the South Korean president before so that's a first. No North Korean leader has gone to South Korea before I believe that's a first also. So you didn't tell me anything bud
 
Aleksandar37 said:
What part am I lying about? Yes, what youngandfree is now saying, I have not disagreed with. It's a first, but you yourself have made claims that nothing like this has been done before. Clinton sent Albright to speak with North Korea in person. The leaders (who are not the same as now just like our leader isn't) have met before and it went nowhere.
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So my claims that nothing like this has ever been done is true. There are a lot of Firsts that just happened
 
Cgkone said:
So did he cross the DMZ?
I'm confused on your stance on that?
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They met in the DMZ. No he did not cross the DMZ. That's not just my stance; that is what happened. If you walk down to a river and swim in the river, did you cross the river? I don't know how else to explain it to you.
 
Cgkone said:
I didn't say you're lying. But a North Korean president going into South Korea is groundbreaking. Especially because the theme that the media was portraying a couple months ago was Donald Trump is starting World War 3. The South Korean president is giving Trump kudos for the meeting and the South Korean president is the one who said Donald Trump should be given Nobel Peace Prize for it
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I don’t think anyone deserves a “peace” prize who has been bombing the crap out of other countries and murdering innocent civilians in other regions of planet regardless of what was accomplished in Korea. I do agree that Korea is a positive accomplishment to this point.
 
Cgkone said:
But you have said this has happened before.
How can it have happened before.......IF IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE?
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Because words matter. I was responding to somebody else who was referring to korean leaders without specifying between North and South. Korean leaders have passed over the boarder before. If you're not specifying, then yes, this is the first time a leader from the North has stepped over the border to the South.

It is a first. It is symbolic. Symbolism is worthless. What I've said repeatedly is let's wait until we see how it plays out and who will actually follow through.

You're asking me to acknowledge what Trump is doing, but also claim that Obama did nothing. If Trump was President when Bin Laden got shot, you'd be petitioning for him to be king.
 
cubsfan815 said:
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Well said! we live in the greatest country in the world. Never seen people so butt hurt that Trump won the election.
Why don't you pack up and leave assuming you can get in.
 
Cgkone said:
So he crossed into the DMZ.
Still a first.
Correct?
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I dunno if first since I haven’t researched it but very symbolic in Asian politics first or not. That is the zone they actively had the finger on the trigger for decades. I just wouldn’t jump to conclusions and hope for the best.
 
So if I'm wording it wrong, so is the Times and ABC.
But I get what you guys are saying.
He only crossed into the DMZ not over the DMZ.
But all the media station were saying crossed the DMZ.
I don't trust NK.
But I think fear is the primary driving force.
 
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