Do you supplement with vitamin K2?

[Wordz_Worf]

Vitamin K2 seems to be gaining a lot of popularity and it seems to be really beneficial in a lot to different ways.

Do you guys supplement with it at all?

I've been taking K2-MK4 drops. A lot of stuff I read states that MK7 is better as the halflife is days versus just a few hours for MK4.

I've also read the human body can convert vitamin K1 into K2, but there isn't a lot of info on it. Seems other mammals are more efficient at this than humans are.

 

[Renew1]

Yes

 

[Wordz_Worf]

Yes

Form? Amount?

 

[Renew1]

Form? Amount?

K2.
Oral.

... I'm on the road right now ....

 

[Wordz_Worf]

K2.
Oral.

... I'm on the road right now ....

California Gold Nutrition, Vitamin D3 + K2, 25 mcg (1,000 IU), 1 fl oz (30 ml)

www.iherb.com

this is what I have been taking. At $6, it is a good value.

 

[Rostam]

I take K2 MK7 with my vitamin D.

 

[cruze1911r1]

Yeah. D3 and K2(mk7) together

 

[Mathb33]

K2 d3 mix is what’s best for people on anabolics. Unfortunately most of the time where you’ll buy k2 d3 it’s dosed very poorly and not very efficient for heart protection the way we want it and need it as bodybuilders. I suggest you look at revive supps k2 d3 or any supps. Made for that specific reason and always dosed accordingly.

 

[Afi140]

K2 d3 mix is what’s best for people on anabolics. Unfortunately most of the time where you’ll buy k2 d3 it’s dosed very poorly and not very efficient for heart protection the way we want it and need it as bodybuilders. I suggest you look at revive supps k2 d3 or any supps. Made for that specific reason and always dosed accordingly.

This. Although I do think there are some other adequately doses brands. I’ll look back because I had some a while go.

 

[Smont]

If someone comes across a properly dosed product let me know, I always buy them separately and there's lots of times I run out of K2 and don't take it for a month straight.

Having them in combination would be a good move for me

 

[Hyde]

Yep. You want 180mcg of Mk7, and to take it with your D3.

This has 2,000iu D3 and 200mcg Mk7. I add an additional 5,000iu cap of D3 (7,000iu total), and I consume these with a meal with fats.

This keeps my vitamin D3 levels at 50 in the winter, so it’s perfect for me. The amount of D3 you will need will be determined by bloodwork. Some folks don’t need very much, some need over 10,000/day.

 

[Smont]

Yep. You want 180mcg of Mk7, and to take it with your D3.

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This has 2,000iu D3 and 200mcg Mk7. I add an additional 5,000iu cap of D3 (7,000iu total), and I consume these with a meal with fats.

This keeps my vitamin D3 levels at 50 in the winter, so it’s perfect for me. The amount of D3 you will need will be determined by bloodwork. Some folks don’t need very much, some need over 10,000/day.

I do 10,000 d3 per day. But I can just skip 1 day a week with the 10k pills and it's close enough

 

[Danksta710]

My Dr knows I bodybuild. I told him why I was taking K2. He says it actually does the opposite of what we think it does. It makes the blood thicker not thinner. He advised I stop. I now only take D3 no K2.

 

[Mathb33]

My Dr knows I bodybuild. I told him why I was taking K2. He says it actually does the opposite of what we think it does. It makes the blood thicker not thinner. He advised I stop. I now only take D3 no K2.

Well that’s enough for you to change doctor my friend. Most generalist don’t know **** about anabolics and him saying that to you is certainly not reassuring because the biggest names in the game (doctors) all scream loud and clear that k2 d3 is an essential tool of cardio vascular health on steroids.

 

[Wordz_Worf]

If someone comes across a properly dosed product let me know, I always buy them separately and there's lots of times I run out of K2 and don't take it for a month straight.

Having them in combination would be a good move for me

https://www.amazon.com/Nutricost-Vitamin-MK-7-100-Softgels/dp/B09126BY8S

I just ordered this stuff as it's cheap and Nutricost is pretty reliable when it comes to quality. I have a ton of vitamin D and take upwards of 10K a day. You can get a bottle of 5000iu vitamin D from iHerb for like $1 sometimes. Gotta watch for that special but it pops up a lot.

My Dr knows I bodybuild. I told him why I was taking K2. He says it actually does the opposite of what we think it does. It makes the blood thicker not thinner. He advised I stop. I now only take D3 no K2.

Interesting. So he said K2 can also cause issues with clotting? I have read that it is K1 that can, but not K2.

 

[Kronic]

I do ND vitamin D3/k2/c tablets

 

[P.brow17]

I know a few people that love thorne's D3/K2 supplement

 

[barische]

No, I just eat alot of eggs, bone marrow, liver, grassfed butter

 

[Danksta710]

Well that’s enough for you to change doctor my friend. Most generalist don’t know **** about anabolics and him saying that to you is certainly not reassuring because the biggest names in the game (doctors) all scream loud and clear that k2 d3 is an essential tool of cardio vascular health on steroids.

Thx for your input. Glad I shared.

 

[Jeff]

No, I just eat alot of eggs, bone marrow, liver, grassfed butter

off topic, but are you able to get good bone marrow at your local supermarket, it's been impossible for me to find lately? I absolutely love the stuff.

 

[DaveMcNaul]

My Dr knows I bodybuild. I told him why I was taking K2. He says it actually does the opposite of what we think it does. It makes the blood thicker not thinner. He advised I stop. I now only take D3 no K2.

My doctor said the same, makes your blood thicker.

 

[Kronic]

off topic, but are you able to get good bone marrow at your local supermarket, it's been impossible for me to find lately? I absolutely love the stuff.

I think you just call butchers and ask if they have bovine femurs right? maybe some farms too

 

[CATdiesel76]

https://ashpublications.org/blood/article/109/8/3279/23729/Vitamin-K-containing-dietary-supplements

This seems to suggest that k2 also lowers clotting time so thicker blooded

 

[Hyde]

My Dr knows I bodybuild. I told him why I was taking K2. He says it actually does the opposite of what we think it does. It makes the blood thicker not thinner. He advised I stop. I now only take D3 no K2.

Did you do any other reading on it after this, and if so what were your general findings/thoughts that convinced you to drop it. It’s okay if you didn’t & the doctor’s advice was all it took. I’m not attacking you, just curious if you would like to expound upon any findings.

My understanding of K2 is that it helps regulate calcium deposition in response to arterial inflammation, which AAS can cause and is how they promote atherosclerosis. This is a major concern for me based on my AAS use, diet, lipid bloodwork, and familial history.

Conversely, blood viscosity is not as much of a personal concern.

 

[poison]

If someone comes across a properly dosed product let me know, I always buy them separately and there's lots of times I run out of K2 and don't take it for a month straight.

Having them in combination would be a good move for me

Citadel nutrition has the product, but covid made it hard to get. Cheap, and tasty.

 

[ELROCK]

I use this one.

 

[Danksta710]

Did you do any other reading on it after this, and if so what were your general findings/thoughts that convinced you to drop it. It’s okay if you didn’t & the doctor’s advice was all it took. I’m not attacking you, just curious if you would like to expound upon any findings.

My understanding of K2 is that it helps regulate calcium deposition in response to arterial inflammation, which AAS can cause and is how they promote atherosclerosis. This is a major concern for me based on my AAS use, diet, lipid bloodwork, and familial history.

Conversely, blood viscosity is not as much of a personal concern.

I took his word and stopped. He helped me with TRT but I was not willing to wait long enough to get the dose I wanted. So I think he's good overall as he was the one who suggested replacement therapy.

Some of the guys who preached K2 use are now dead like John Meadows (RIP). I'm still skeptical if using K2 is wise.

I manage my blood thickness with daily cardio and lots of hydration. I also take fish oil. When I was using the K2 I was early in my therapy and paranoid about HCT. As I learned more that's no longer much of a concern.

 

[Hyde]

I took his word and stopped. He helped me with TRT but I was not willing to wait long enough to get the dose I wanted. So I think he's good overall as he was the one who suggested replacement therapy.

Some of the guys who preached K2 use are now dead like John Meadows (RIP). I'm still skeptical if using K2 is wise.

I manage my blood thickness with daily cardio and lots of hydration. I also take fish oil. When I was using the K2 I was early in my therapy and paranoid about HCT. As I learned more that's no longer much of a concern.

I appreciate your feedback. I have never taken K2 because I believed it thinned my blood; I take it to hopefully help prevent heart attacks and needing stents & bypasses (very common in powerlifters using orals and Tren for years along with American diets to stay heavy).

John Meadows had well-known poor genetics for clotting actually on both sides of his family, and he actually lived significantly longer than both of his non-bodybuilder parents. He actually surpassed the norms for his familial disorder despite becoming a pro bodybuilder. If that eases your views on him any.

Also, if you don’t take them, nattokinase and pine bark extract both reduce clotting, especially in combination, if you are interested in any reading. And if you struggle with blood thickness still after cardio, you could look at IP6 supplementation before bed to help regulate blood production. That is more for blasting AAS though, not longterm TRT management. But it’s a tool in the box.

 

[Danksta710]

I appreciate your feedback. I have never taken K2 because I believed it thinned my blood; I take it to hopefully help prevent heart attacks and needing stents & bypasses (very common in powerlifters using orals and Tren for years along with American diets to stay heavy).

John Meadows had well-known poor genetics for clotting actually on both sides of his family, and he actually lived significantly longer than both of his non-bodybuilder parents. He actually surpassed the norms for his familial disorder despite becoming a pro bodybuilder. If that eases your views on him any.

Also, if you don’t take them, nattokinase and pine bark extract both reduce clotting, especially in combination, if you are interested in any reading. And if you struggle with blood thickness still after cardio, you could look at IP6 supplementation before bed to help regulate blood production. That is more for blasting AAS though, not longterm TRT management. But it’s a tool in the box.

I appreciate the info as well. I did not know all of John's family history. Makes a lot of sense. I thought he was awesome before, now I'm even more impressed.

I recently added nattokinase for that reason. I will look into pine bark extract. Thx.

 

[rugger48]

Ya, I thought K2 by itself was a thickener, and the point to taking it with d3 was to help with calcium going to age right places and not tge arteries?

 

[Kronic]

ya I do k2 cuz I love milk and cheese but I'm open to more data. there was that recent study that showed it didn't help reduce calcification but it wasn't a very good study.

 

[3clipseGT]

Everyday! K2 Mk7 at 360mcgs a day with 5,000IU D3.

 

[Nac]

Ya, I thought K2 by itself was a thickener, and the point to taking it with d3 was to help with calcium going to age right places and not tge arteries?

Yes thats my understanding too. Though I think characterising it as a blood "thickener" may be a little misleading; it helps with coagulation. But it also helps limit arterial calcium depositing, as noted.

 

[rugger48]

Yes thats my understanding too. Though I think characterising it as a blood "thickener" may be a little misleading; it helps with coagulation. But it also helps limit arterial calcium depositing, as noted.

Correct.

 

[barische]

off topic, but are you able to get good bone marrow at your local supermarket, it's been impossible for me to find lately? I absolutely love the stuff.

I live in NJ and I can regularly get it at wegmans at frozen section. I have seen them at shoprite also. Keep an eye out at wholefoods or other grocery stores for Beef shank sections which will include the marrow, so you can also get it that way.

on other topic I have always heard of K2 as preventing arterial calcification in the event of excess calcium due to high VitD levels - which is likely rare. But couple research suggested that supplementing K2 didnt reduce CAD risk nor removed arterial plaque. I think that Supplementing may be unnecessary unless ur diet is severely deficient in it but at that point you likely got lots of issues.

 

[tyga tyga]

Use to. Now I take 2000MgFU (100mg total) of natto e/d instead. Believe most studies show 200-300mg e/d.

 

[Darkhorse192]

guys taking high(er) doses of D3 should also be taking Magnesium. Taking large doses of Vit D can induce severe depletion of Magnesium as Magnesium is needed to help convert Vitamin D to its active form in the body. Not to mention it is a great supplement in of itself and something many folks are deficient in. I prefer Glycinate at 350mg daily to start

 

[Hyde]

guys taking high(er) doses of D3 should also be taking Magnesium. Taking large doses of Vit D can induce severe depletion of Magnesium as Magnesium is needed to help convert Vitamin D to its active form in the body. Not to mention it is a great supplement in of itself and something many folks are deficient in. I prefer Glycinate at 350mg daily to start

If you lift, you should probably supplement magnesium. If you don’t, you should probably supplement magnesium. Almost nobody is getting enough through diet to be optimal.

 

[Wordz_Worf]

If you lift, you should probably supplement magnesium. If you don’t, you should probably supplement magnesium. Almost nobody is getting enough through diet to be optimal.

Are the claims about magnesium oxide being so poorly bioavailable true? I take about 400mg of it in powder form and never have any stomach issues from it.

I also take mag threonate for it's relaxing effects pre-bed, so I assume I am getting enough mag either way.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

Yeah probably wouldn’t go silly on dosages of k2 but supplementing with reasonable amounts has been show to not effect your normal coagulation homeostatic function.

Vitamin K2 (Menaquinone-7) supplementation does not affect vitamin K-dependent coagulation factors activity in healthy individuals

Vitamin K has long been regarded as a procoagulant drug by physicians, and concerns have been raised with regard to its effects on hemostasis. Although many studies have shown that vitamin K supplementation is safe for thrombotic events, the effect of ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Its benefits of reducing arterial calcification risk far outweigh concerns raised in this thread regarding clotting.

 

[LeanEngineer]

If you lift, you should probably supplement magnesium. If you don’t, you should probably supplement magnesium. Almost nobody is getting enough through diet to be optimal.

I would agree. It's been a staple for me pre bed for awhile now and I think helps with sleep to!

 

[Hyde]

Are the claims about magnesium oxide being so poorly bioavailable true? I take about 400mg of it in powder form and never have any stomach issues from it.

I also take mag threonate for it's relaxing effects pre-bed, so I assume I am getting enough mag either way.

I’m sure there’s some truth to that, but as it’s dirt cheap as long as it doesn’t give you the runs then it’s likely a net positive is my logic.

I take a 400mg cap of cheapo blend that’s mainly oxide nightly. Taking 2 daily I get the runs, but one cap seems cherry. If I wanted to build that up to something more optimal I would use glycinate, but this is incredibly cheap low-hanging fruit so it’s the route I go. One bottle lasts almost a year, it’s dirt cheap to begin with, one easy capsule in my evening supplement dose. I notice slight benefits in recovery/wellness with it. Also helps prevent cramping around training for me.

 

[Rocket3015]

I take Vitamin D with K2 PWO everyday