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DJbombsquad, Why do you not eat meat when your goal is to build muscle?

well, lets go old testament then :D

B. Examples of People Who Ate Meat

The Bible is filled with numerous specific examples of faithful servants of God eating meat with no implication that they did wrong.

Genesis 25:27,28; 27:1-4 - Esau was a skillful hunter. His father Isaac loved Esau because he ate what Esau killed.

Genesis 43:16 - Joseph had an animal slaughtered for his brothers to eat with him.

1 Samuel 25:18 - Abigail brought sheep dressed to eat as a gift to David and his men.

1 Kings 4:22,23 - Solomon, the wisest man who ever lived, ate oxen, sheep, deer, gazelles, roebucks, and fowl.

1 Kings 19:21 - Elisha slaughtered oxen to feed people.

1 Chronicles 12:39,40 - David and the people ate oxen and sheep when he was named king.

Nehemiah 5:17,18 - Nehemiah provided for those who ate with him oxen, sheep, and fowl.

Matthew 3:4 - John the Baptist ate locusts and wild honey.

Note that many of the people ate, not just fish or birds, but "red meat": cattle, sheep, oxen, etc.

If eating meat is immoral, then all these people were immoral and sinned in eating meat. Yet the Bible presents them as good people and never once implies they did anything wrong in these cases.

[1 Sam. 16:20; 17:18; Gen. 10:9; Prov. 9:2; 2 Sam. 17:29]

C. Passages Where God Specifically Approves of Eating Meat

Consider passages where God either approves of eating meat and animal products or even provides it for people to eat.

Genesis 9:1-6

After the flood God gave animals into the hand of man (v2) and said that "every moving thing" is food for us, just like plants are food (v3). Killing man is forbidden because man is in God's image, but killing animals for food is authorized since they are not in God's image. This passage expressly states, both that God permits man to eat animal meat, and that God's rules against killing people do not apply to animals.

Some claim this was just a temporary provision till plants grew on earth after the flood. But the passage nowhere says this. God had put both animals and people on the ark to save them alive (6:19). He had provided sufficient food for people and animals on the ark (6:21) till the earth was able to provide for them (clearly the dove did not return because there was food for it elsewhere - 8:12,13). If there were no plants so people had to eat animals, then what did the animals eat and how did they live to repopulate the earth?

Others say that, as with divorce, God simply tolerated people's desire to eat meat under the Old Testament, but never really approved it. However, we know this is what God did regarding divorce because the Bible clearly says so (Matt. 19:3-9). Where does it clearly say this is what He did regarding eating meat? Furthermore, Jesus clearly stated that the New Testament would return to God's original teaching regarding divorce. Where does He clearly say that He does not want us to eat meat? We will see that He says just the opposite.

Other Old Testament passages

Genesis 18:2,7,8 - Abraham showed hospitality to visitors by feeding them butter, milk, and a calf he had killed. Note that Abraham offered them - and they ate - not just dairy products (butter and milk), but also red meat (beef - veal) which he had killed.

These visitors were actually angels, one of whom is called "the Lord" (vv 16-19). He praised Abraham as a righteous and just man. If killing and eating meat is immoral, would a righteous and just man provide people meat to eat, and would the Lord eat it? Hebrews 13:2 commands us to show similar hospitality.

Exodus 12:3,6,8,46 - God commanded each family in Israel to kill and eat a lamb for the Passover feast.

Deuteronomy 12:15,20-22 - When Israelites offered animal sacrifices, they and/or the priests ate much of the meat. This was God's blessing to them. [15:19-23; 14:26; Num. 18:9,10; Ex. 29:32; Lev. 7:15; 8:31]

Leviticus 11:2,3,9,21,46,47 - Under the law God forbade eating unclean animals, yet He expressly authorized the eating of many clean animals: mammals, fish, birds, and insects. [Deut. 14:4,6,9,11,20]

Leviticus 17:13,14 - Blood of an animal must be poured out before the animal was eaten. But with this provision, animals and birds may be hunted, caught, and eaten.

1 Kings 17:4,6 - God nourished Elijah by providing him bread and meat. Did God provide food that would be immoral to eat?

Proverbs 27:23-27 - Flocks were not only a legitimate source of riches and clothing, they also provide milk for food (v27).

Exodus 3:8,17; 13:5; 33:3; Leviticus 20:24; Deuteronomy 27:3; Jeremiah 32:22 - God blessed Israel by bringing them to the promised land of "milk and honey." The Bible views drinking milk as a great blessing from God, yet animal liberation says it is immoral! Does God bless people by promoting evil? [Even taking honey would be "stealing" from bees, if animals have rights!] [Deut. 32:14]
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its interesting to look at
 
proably the 1 Kings 17:2-6 is the most interesting
The word of the LORD came to him, saying,

"Go away from here and turn eastward, and hide yourself by the brook Cherith, which is east of the Jordan.

"It shall be that you will drink of the brook, and I have commanded the ravens to provide for you there."

So he went and did according to the word of the LORD, for he went and lived by the brook Cherith, which is east of the Jordan.

The ravens brought him bread and meat in the morning and bread and meat in the evening, and he would drink from the brook
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since that is the lord pretty directly providing the meat
 
DJ - Will you stop it with the cut and paste already?!

ANSWER IN YOUR OWN WORDS.
 
I'm sorry, but this whole thread has devolved into a Bible debate, and not a Bulking thread as originally posted. This thread should be in the "General Chat" section. Last thing I'm looking for is someone preaching the bible in a bodybuilding forum.
 
Reaper329 said:
At the end of the day, if he doesnt eat meat, that is his perogative, however I think he just posts nonsense to get a reaction. Nothing more nothing less. Just an attention wh0re
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I posted it before - if DJ wants to be an internet celebrity, he has to deal with the paparazzi - feel no more pity for him than you do for Paris Hilton

pistonpump said:
Those videos are disturbing but really, im not the one doing the unhumane acts, those people being cruel to those animals....now thats wickedness. I just do the eating :D
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I worked in a slaughterhouse for a year - those videos are bullsh1t PETA propaganda -such barbaric practices are more likely to occur in third world sh1tholes (like Canada :lol:) - I never saw them.

Hank Vangut said:
i would be worried about animal cruelty........but i've been pre-occupied with blackfish's lack of sex.
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... I am still pre-occupied... :bandit:
 
Actually, Im not religious, but I have an ethics class that talks about religion.

It basically says in the first creation story that man was created with the animals and women.

The second one states that man was created first, and because man was bored, he created women to accompany man.

If that's not contradictory I don't know what is. Why not just drop the whole religious thing in general. Please stop talking/pasting. Your making yourself look worst and worst with each post.

Dude, stop trying to pull your ass out of this one. You've been traveling so far ahead on the stupid train that you don't even know how retarded you sound. GMG, he can't stop copying and pasting. Copying and pasting is a double edge sword. copying and pasting makes him look dumb because he has no words of his own. Yet his own words are just as bad because he has poor grammar and has no logic when he argues.
 
SOLRAC said:
I'm sorry, but this whole thread has devolved into a Bible debate, and not a Bulking thread as originally posted. This thread should be in the "General Chat" section. Last thing I'm looking for is someone preaching the bible in a bodybuilding forum.
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Tell DJ to stop trying to look smart then. A monkey can't prove that he's not a monkey. Just like a retard cant pretend he's not retarded. Plain and simple. :biglaugh:
 
jakellpet said:
I worked in a slaughterhouse for a year - those videos are bullsh1t PETA propaganda -such barbaric practices are more likely to occur in third world sh1tholes (like Canada :lol:) - I never saw them.
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thats probably because you were too busy with the sheep

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damn aussies
 
Im going to put this post together using logic, based upon supplied information thus far.

I dont see how raising a cow in captivity, using it for its milk and totally interfering in its reproductive cycle is not cruel.

Keeping cows, chickens and pigs for food is "cruel" by nature pun intended.

So dont be cruel to a heart thats true.

You eat eggs somtimes? In cake? or when your roomate buys them............. SO as long as you dont buy them its ok?!?!?!? Is it correct for me to assume that when you do not purchase said foods that the spiritually motivated logic you use dissipates?

I think the bible is a dangerous tool of false information when in your hands DJ, but i also appreciate that you are able to think for yourself and choose what makes sense to you.

From this ideology where you pick and choose which parts of the religion or teachings you want to believe you must also agree that you dont really need the religion at all then.

If you have the sense or knowlegede to censor and omit the bible then you have to say that you already know what the truth is. Parts of the bible simply articulate your already known position.

So then its safe to say your issue is not ethics per se, rather forming sentences and stringing together ideas.

If this is true you should read a book on bodybuilding.

In that case its a very poor position to start building an argument or basis for lifestyle.

I remember once reading that "a little bit of knowlegde is a dangerous thing".

The other conclusion is that you have two ears and one mouth because you should listen twice as much as you talk.....
 
somewhatgifted said:
I think the bible is a dangerous tool of false information
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In anyone's hands the bible is a dangerous tool because of it's ambiguous nature.

Take a charismatic leader like John Jones, add the bible, some typical brainwashing, a gallon of cyanide-flavoured kool-aid. . . Ta Daa! :bandit:
 
jakellpet said:
In anyone's hands the bible is a dangerous tool because of it's ambiguous nature.

Take a charismatic leader like John Jones, add the bible, some typical brainwashing, a gallon of cyanide-flavoured kool-aid. . . Ta Daa! :bandit:
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Thank you for finding supporting evidence for my suggestions of missinterpretation.

When someone thinks "they know" something they close the doors to new ideas, differing opinions and potentially "better" information.
IT is essentially spiritual death, for to truly "know" is to know nothing at all.

Anything you need from life is already here, when you stop "knowing" you simply accept the truth as it is presently.
 
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This should be nominated for most entertaining thread.
 
djbombsquad said:
I don't go and buy eggs endless its in cake. I don't eat it endless my roomate buys eggs.
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Can anyone translate this for me ??

He doesn't go and buy eggs unless it's in cake ?

WTF
 
I'm having Steak and Chicken for dinner...
Mmmmmmm... because my religion allows me to. ;)

To each their own, really. If he wants to not eat meat, that's cool. I do have to say, though, the copy/paste jobs are weak as fukc. And the videos only show the wrong way to mass produce meat; that's what certain groups want you to see. It's called propaganda... which I know something about.

And we need to chill with the Bible talk; Zero V may come in and cause this thread to get closed.
 
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I have nothing to contribute to this thread that hasn't already been said. Sticky please? :lol:
 
jakellpet said:
I posted it before - if DJ wants to be an internet celebrity, he has to deal with the paparazzi - feel no more pity for him than you do for Paris Hilton



I worked in a slaughterhouse for a year - those videos are bullsh1t PETA propaganda -such barbaric practices are more likely to occur in third world sh1tholes (like Canada :lol:) - I never saw them.



... I am still pre-occupied... :bandit:
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well KFC in USA was caught out big time for their unethical standards... i wouldn't be surprised if it was common in USA.

how were they treated in the slaughterhouse u worked in?... were they tranquilized or shocked before slaughter... and how were their living conditions. I stick to free range because 1. meat tastes better but more importantly because the animals are in shock and don't feel the pain of slaughter. Their living conditions are good too, in the natural pastures.
 
Iron Lungz said:
Negative Ghostrider... Boxmeman has that medal.
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I miss the old Horatio CSI:Miami cells we had :-)
 

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jakellpet said:
In anyone's hands the bible is a dangerous tool because of it's ambiguous nature.

Take a charismatic leader like John Jones, add the bible, some typical brainwashing, a gallon of cyanide-flavoured kool-aid. . . Ta Daa! :bandit:
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wait, you have a problem with that? to me Jonestown was a perfect example of evolution in action.
 
hman85 said:
Yes more stupid people need to get involved in cults.
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Culling the herd, natural selection, raising the lowest common denominator. Call it what you will.
 
hman85 said:
Yes more stupid people need to get involved in cults.
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Agreed... Like the guy that recently called 911 because Burger King didn't have lemonade.. He should join one !!!

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
 
AK32408 said:
Agreed... Like the guy that recently called 911 because Burger King didn't have lemonade.. He should join one !!!

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
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wellllllllllllllllllllllllll........ in his defense, they really should have told him that before he ordered. I think we all would have done the same had we been in that situation. No doubt in my mind.
 
EasyEJL said:
Luke 24:42 says: "And they gave him [Jesus] a piece of a broiled fish, and of a honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them."

Luke 10:8 says: "Whenever you enter a town and they receive you, eat what is set before you," which would seem to suggest that Jesus was not encouraging fussiness about food.
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this is awesome easy. Just to go along, anyone remember the story of Jesus sending Peter to get the tax $ out of the mouth of the fish? Interesting Renaissance painting by Massaccio called "tribute money" that shows it.

DJ, honestly, please just stop!
 
Reaper329 said:
this is awesome easy. Just to go along, anyone remember the story of Jesus sending Peter to get the tax $ out of the mouth of the fish? Interesting Renaissance painting by Massaccio called "tribute money" that shows it.

DJ, honestly, please just stop!
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Iron Lungz said:
This thread has gotten more replies than his AMS Sponsored one.
Like a moth to a flame... :D
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Perhaps a NegFest would sort out such dumbfuckery? :bandit:
 
Lets just turn this into a joke thread i will start

You're so ugly, you had tinted windows on your incubator.

Oh snap~
 
jakellpet said:
Perhaps a NegFest would sort out such dumbfuckery? :bandit:
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nah, this is america, he's free to his opinions and reasons for them. It doesn't hurt me at all if he doesnt eat animals, and though it may limit + slow his bodybuilding, it doesnt stop it. Quinoa, certain beans, etc can provide complete protein chains for vegetarians.

I prefer my creatine directly from animals tho, lean beef + pork, or salmon all have about 2g of creatine per lb. So do a pound of wild alaskan salmon plus a pound of beef a day, and your creatine and fatty acids are taken care of for the day :D
 
EasyEJL said:
I prefer my creatine directly from animals tho, lean beef + pork, or salmon all have about 2g of creatine per lb. So do a pound of wild alaskan salmon plus a pound of beef a day, and your creatine and fatty acids are taken care of for the day :D
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Pork? I will run a check, but I was under the impression that Pork is slow-digesting and lower in protein compared to other meats.

...but on the otherhand some say it's the closest tasting meat to human flesh :bandit:
 
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