Did Universal/Animal take over this board??

[TexasLifter89]

Yeah, that is correct...also though, I think it's just like any job in business or any field. You see certain people always getting the next "promotion" to a better job in that company, so the new guys or the fairly new kids on the block get to a point where they are like "there's not use in trying to apply, it's already determined anyway"

I have that going on right now with a company that I work for. Everyone is moving and getting promotions; I got one when I first walked through the door, and a lucrative one at that, IMO. But, now, there are so many people that have been promised positions under the "table" until no new person will even apply..even though, we post new positions and jobs; we do that because it's the company policy to do so, when knowingly, no two bit guy/lady is going to get the gig ...

so, after that happens about 6 or 7 times, you hear people whispering around about not even applying to anything because the old schoolers are going to get first dibs anyway.

But, I can attest to both sides of this...I myself, would not just give away bunches and loads of product to 17 new jack testers. The opportunity for a good ROI is way to low.

I, myself, have never logged anything except creatine when it first came out big and that was yeeeeeeeeeeeeears ago and m1t. I've never had the time to do it on a regular basis, but I just might start doing some non sponsored logs just to give both sides what they are looking for...a few non sponsored unbiased opinions. And, the neovar, the old batch i guess? im going to run it when I get my hands on it, then run the new batch and asses that...and maybe log the whole ordeal once im doing recording it, due to me never responding well to creatine and such. So this might be a great test for me.

did you get my PM yesterday? Well let me say this to those of you discouraged to apply. Put in your full effort on the application, communicate and present yourself well on the board, and prove to me that you can handle frequent detailed updates and you are good to go with practically any rep.

 

[hardknock]

All I can say for the new jacks is this...if you want to test products, you have to get into these threads and show that your at least willing to learn and provide some good info to the site ...

Ask questions, learn, research, and show that you know at least some things, and keep applying if you want to test products...OR just buy the product, take it on the chin, and log it so people will see that you know what your doing, so that way they can trust to pick YOU

 

[TexasLifter89]

All I can say for the new jacks is this...if you want to test products, you have to get into these threads and show that your at least willing to learn and provide some good info to the site ...

Ask questions, learn, research, and show that you know at least some things, and keep applying if you want to test products...OR just buy the product, take it on the chin, and log it so people will see that you know what your doing, so that way they can trust to pick YOU

:thumbsup:

 

[hardknock]

did you get my PM yesterday? Well let me say this to those of you discouraged to apply. Put in your full effort on the application, communicate and present yourself well on the board, and prove to me that you can handle frequent detailed updates and you are good to go with practically any rep.

yeah, Im going to check it out...just got up, got called into work today...(ridiculous), but I'll read those logs tonight and tomorrow. ....fiance has me running trying to close on this house, man, life does not get any easier with age..lol

 

[B5150]

All sponsored logs should have before/after pics.


I want to be able to see what "Dude, I got jacked" really looks like before/after. Esp when the results are done either by a mirror or a genetic scale.

This is not always applicable for all products and their characteristics.

For instance I use PowerFULL strictly for LH stimulation. I run TRT and I use it to help with mood, well being, erectile and testicular function.

I use PureDopa for REM, quality sleep, healthy complexion. My hair grows, my nails grow, my skin glows.

I use SuperCissus for tendon and ligament health. My joints, don't ache, my tendons are healing.

You want pictures?

How about RPN's Gut Health, etc. etc. the list goes on. You want picture?

Not everyone is here to get jacked. Nor do they need to be jacked.

Did any of you ever see Matt Cahil from DS. When he came out with the greatest oral anabolics this board had yet to see he let himself go in a very bad way. Does that mean that his designer steroids did not do what they were designed to do or meet their claims?

Have any of you seen pictures of Par Deus of Avant Labs. He came out with THE ground breaking topical delivery system for fat loss - Lipo-Derm and THE transdermal anabolic to date - ONE, Andro-Diol, etc. He is not jacked by any means.

There is more to supplementation than being jacked.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

This is not always applicable for all products and their characteristics.

For instance I use PowerFULL strictly for LH stimulation. I run TRT and I use it to help with mood, well being, erectile and testicular function.

I use PureDopa for REM, quality sleep, healthy complexion. My hair grows, my nails grow, my skin glows.

I use SuperCissus for tendon and ligament health. My loints, don't ache, my tendons are healing.

You want pictures?

Not everyone is here to get jacked. Nor do they need to be jacked.

Did any of you ever see Matt Cahil from DS. When he came out with the greatest orals anabolics this board had yet to see he let himself go in a very bad way. Does that mean that his designer steroids did not do what they were designed to do or meet their claims?

Have any of you seen pictures of Par Deus of Avant Labs. He came out with THE ground breaking topical delivery system for fat loss - Lipo-Derm and THE transdermal anabolic to date - ONE, Andro-Diol, etc. He is not jacked by any means.

How about RPN's Gut Health, etc. etc. the list goes on. You want picture?

There is more to supplementation than being jacked.

Are any of those people running sponsored logs of said "ph's" or compounds? If not, i don't see the relevance. He never stated everyone should be jacked, but people saying "DUDE I GOT JACKED" should be able to back it up.

If you are running a log, of a product with the intent of adding size/muscle, losing weight/fat, making any sort of physical change, you should post pics. When people are claiming they are gaining 5-10-20lbs, with no pics, it doesn't have any credibility.

Obviously it doesn't work for ALL products, such as gut health, noxidant, etc. But the loggers aren't being picked on the premise, that they should be making composition altering changes.

 

[ReaperX]

After I made that statement, I was waiting for someone to point out the generalization I made. I was assuming that it was self-explanatory in its application.


To clarify a bit. Putting aside common health products, certain products (i.e. weight loss/muscle builders) products where a visual body composition change is made should be visually documented. Esp, when a claim is being made in the log.

 

[B5150]

Are any of those people running sponsored logs of said "ph's" or compounds? If not, i don't see the relevance. He never stated everyone should be jacked, but people saying "DUDE I GOT JACKED" should be able to back it up.

Anyone who uses the phrase "Dude, I got jacked" should immdiately be disqualified from running a log.

If anyone holds any weight to a log of someone who uses the phrase "Dude, I got jacked" needs to seriously reconsider the source of information he is using to assess the value of said products.

If you are running a log, of a product with the intent of adding size/muscle, losing weight/fat, making any sort of physical change, you should post pics. When people are claiming they are gaining 5-10-20lbs, with no pics, it doesn't have any credibility.

Obviously it doesn't work for ALL products, such as gut health, noxidant, etc. But the loggers aren't being picked on the premise, that they should be making composition altering changes.

Your points are valid.

You actually read tester logs :think:

 

[Dwight Schrute]

"Dude, where's my car"

 

[grila jujitsu]

Agree.

agreed!

(look at the post strategicmove agreed with!)

 

[poacher]

I wish you folks could set the tone of the log. Like just give us your starting stats/diet and traing. Run the product x amount of days and lets see the IMPROVEMENT

 

[TexasLifter89]

I wish you folks could set the tone of the log. Like just give us your starting stats/diet and traing. Run the product x amount of days and lets see the IMPROVEMENT

thats essentially what testers do. they provide diet, training, base stats, pictures. They run 1 bottle, after that the post base stats, pictures, critiques. Also you can note training through the workout.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

Anyone who uses the phrase "Dude, I got jacked" should immdiately be disqualified from running a log.

Can't argue with that..haha:head:

 

[poacher]

thats essentially what testers do. they provide diet, training, base stats, pictures. They run 1 bottle, after that the post base stats, pictures, critiques. Also you can note training through the workout.

I guess your right. Just seems like a lot of fluff in some logs. I love the aggression is up line. Have your work out partner slap your face a few times. Agression will rise trust me.

 

[TexasLifter89]

I guess your right. Just seems like a lot of fluff in some logs. I love the aggression is up line. Have your work out partner slap your face a few times. Agression will rise trust me.

Yup, I can vouch for that line. Im not much a stim person besides RPM and a few others on occasion So i feel it is worthy for me to note Aggression. I know my body and how i usually react during workouts since im mainly stim free. When I feel a change I attribute it to the aggression note, in a stim free case i think its a wise choice to note aggression. Also, as for "I love the aggression is up line. Have your work out partner slap your ace a few times". Doesnt a Pre-wo stim provide this same feeling to an extent? I think the aggression line is plenty notable. I would also associate Focus and aggression together from my experiences.

 

[DreamWeaver]

Agression is a sign some supps are working... I remember I had some left over powerfull and since I didn't get much out of it I thought what the heck I'll give it to my son. He became so agressive that we had to take him off of it and damn he got big quite quickly. I could not figure out why it worked so good for a younger person who already had high test and I was virtually an non-responder.

 

[joeyamma]

Thanks fellas for a productive conversation and honest opinions. There’s a lot of passion here and I like that. I enjoy these kind of threads as they give us reps a better assessment of what we’re not doing right and what we need to do.

Something about us--anyone who knows anything about how we roll on the various forums should know what our principles are and how we do things. Yeah, we’re here as reps, and believe me, it’s a tough gig. But more than being just reps, we’re here on behalf of Universal Nutrition. As NG said, if anyone feels we’ve been coming on too strong, I also want to apologize. We’re not lookin’ to make waves—just fit in and be good, upstanding citizens.

Maybe we’re one of the bigger companies here. Maybe we’re not. Who knows? All we’re looking for is a level playing field so we can earn our stripes and win your trust. Nothing more. UN is a company that has built its business the old-fashioned way, the hard way and the long way—one customer at a time. Gotta admit, it’s a lot more work, but those are the values.

In the end, after all the promos or anything else, all you have left are products and UN’s ability to stand behind ‘em and make sure quality customer service is delivered to each and every individual. That’s why we, the reps, are here. If, at the end of the day, ya don’t sell a quality product, if you don’t behave in a professional way, ain’t nothing you can do that’s gonna change that over the long haul... And the long haul is what we’re about.

Like I said before, though UN may be a bigger company than some, I’d like to believe none of us reps act like it. Our approach is small—one customer at a time. All we ask is that you give us a fair shake and listen to what we have to say with an open mind. So feel free to judge us by our words, but give us our due respect for our actions if we’ve earned 'em. Fellas, we’re not looking for shortcuts or handouts. Just an open mind... Thanks for listening.

i think most were too busy arguing to notice this very classy post.
i'll just say that i am a fan of Universal because of their products and because of how they have treated me. :thumbsup:

 

[TexasLifter89]

i think most were too busy arguing to notice this very classy post.
i'll just say that i am a fan of Universal because of their products and because of how they have treated me. :thumbsup:

no one here is arguing at all thats a difference you will find here versus other forums. We have indepth discussions not arguments . I noticed the post and already addressed satisfaction with the way Animal/Universal conducts themselves.

 

[justreading]

I am glad my mood problem yesterday got a solid discussion going... I'm glad other people see some of the things I do even if they say it a bit nicer haha

 

[joeyamma]

no one here is arguing at all thats a difference you will find here versus other forums. We have indepth discussions not arguments . I noticed the post and already addressed satisfaction with the way Animal/Universal conducts themselves.

that's cool bro.
i've been a member on here for awhile but mostly lurked and read.
definitely a good board for solid information.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

I noticed in SNS's new promotion they are going to give the logger(s) an additional product of their choice to use if the log meets their standards. I think that is another great way to promote a good log.

To be honest though the logs are fun to follow and see what benefits guys are getting however its certainly never going to be under the controls of a clinical setting. Either way sponsored loggers should be following the wishes of the companies who gave them product.

 

[TexasLifter89]

Not to Hijak a thread at all guys but, I am looking for one more tester for Neovar Recomped in the Company Promotions section. You were just discussing about how you never see "non-responders" chosen well here is your possible chance at some Neovar recomped. Write up a solid application detailing as much as possible. I will be selecting the last tester tonight. Also I agree Royd the Noyd, Following some guidelines is not too hard to ask

 

[Universal Rep]

no one here is arguing at all thats a difference you will find here versus other forums. We have indepth discussions not arguments . I noticed the post and already addressed satisfaction with the way Animal/Universal conducts themselves.

Glad to see. We take great pains to define the difference between "debating" and "arguinig" on the F O R V M as well. The vibe here is a lot like the vibe over there.

 

[TexasLifter89]

Glad to see. We take great pains to define the difference between "debating" and "arguinig" on the F O R V M as well. The vibe here is a lot like the vibe over there.

Yeah i went over there yesterday actually, I saw it in your sig and checked it out just trying to familiarize myself more with the animal ways. It definitely looks "action packed". I love the layout and effort into the design. Yes, there is a HUGE difference between arguing and intense debating. Over here from my experiences you will possibly never see arguing. I can only recall one instance since February, that took no time at all to be settled.

 

[Universal Rep]

Yeah i went over there yesterday actually, I saw it in your sig and checked it out just trying to familiarize myself more with the animal ways. It definitely looks "action packed". I love the layout and effort into the design. Yes, there is a HUGE difference between arguing and intense debating. Over here from my experiences you will possibly never see arguing. I can only recall one instance since February, that took no time at all to be settled.

Civility is a lost art. Glad you got a taste of how we do things over in the FORVM. As I said before, very much like this place--supportive and without all the drama. I get plenty of that elsewhere, hahahaha...

 

[DreamWeaver]

I think that J. Peterman guy's is a hoot.

"It will always be Burma to me" lol

 

[3clipseGT]

Could be because others take notice, and don't even bother when the same people will just win out anyway... I am not sure, as i don't even bother looking at 99% of the "promos". I wouldn't bother applying for anything i wouldn't spend my own money on, or that truly interests me, just for the sake of getting free product, so i stay out of that section most of the time..

I just notice in the review/lg section, it is the same people logging every sponsored log, and mid way through the log they have already won another sponsored log, and add in more new stuff..
IMO people should have to buy the product up front, and upon completion of the log, get reimbursed the money, or more of the product they love so much.. It would cut down on allot of the flaky logs, and allot of the people who don't want to shell out anything, and live off free supps from sponsors.

How can i take anyone's opinion who has never bought any supps, seriously?? They have nothing at stake.. They just give **** a good review so they can log the next product..

If you are referring to the MMV2 we handed out, then handed out psarm, receptor, and formadrol its because someone stated and asked how we are giving out hormones without offering PCT as well. So after most of the MMV2 was sent out, we also sent out these products. Unless im completely missing something here, this is the only time weve given out free product for logs, then added in more free product. I conduct most of the free giveaways around here, and you caught me, they are most of the time the same people, but they deliver. When you run a bussiness you goto the people who deliver, not the people who drop the ball, and to be honest i gave a couple bottles of MMV2 to other people and i got 3 pages IF THAT just about, then at the end they said it was good and 1 person i didnt even get a log from! :thumbsup: Good stuff eh?

Im not hear to piss anyone off, take over the thread or anything just stating my side of the story, how i look at what goes on, and why i feel the need to run things the way they are run. :thumbsup:

 

[B5150]

"Dude, where's my car"

"Dude (Looks Like a Lady)"

 

[Frank Reynolds]

If you are referring to the MMV2 we handed out, then handed out psarm, receptor, and formadrol its because someone stated and asked how we are giving out hormones without offering PCT as well. So after most of the MMV2 was sent out, we also sent out these products. Unless im completely missing something here, this is the only time weve given out free product for logs, then added in more free product. I conduct most of the free giveaways around here, and you caught me, they are most of the time the same people, but they deliver. When you run a bussiness you goto the people who deliver, not the people who drop the ball, and to be honest i gave a couple bottles of MMV2 to other people and i got 3 pages IF THAT just about, then at the end they said it was good and 1 person i didnt even get a log from! :thumbsup: Good stuff eh?

Im not hear to piss anyone off, take over the thread or anything just stating my side of the story, how i look at what goes on, and why i feel the need to run things the way they are run. :thumbsup:

No.. I am not talking about that at all...

I am talking about people who start a log logging product X from company X, and are still applying for other logs mid-log.. Then win company Y log, and add in product Y...

You have a guilty conscience or something? lol For some reason you are taking this personally, when i didn't mention your name, or even have you in mind..

 

[3clipseGT]

No.. I am not talking about that at all...

I am talking about people who start a log logging product X from company X, and are still applying for other logs mid-log.. Then win company Y log, and add in product Y...

You have a guilty conscience or something? lol For some reason you are taking this personally, when i didn't mention your name, or even have you in mind..

Nah bro not at all, i dont take many things personaly. Just telling my side of the story and how i feel in general. :thumbsup:

 

[bolt10]

Wow everyone feel better after this thread

Everyone feel better letting there feelings out

:lol: really tho idk even know where this convo is anymore as it started with universal but reached soooooo many different levels

Have a nice day everyone

 

[Dwight Schrute]

"Dude (Looks Like a Lady)"

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[hardknock]

Wow everyone feel better after this thread

Everyone feel better letting there feelings out

:lol: really tho idk even know where this convo is anymore as it started with universal but reached soooooo many different levels

Have a nice day everyone

That's the sign of a great discussion. It can go so many ways, yet stay civil and not turn into babydiaper.com(bb.com)

Disclaimer: there are actually SOME VERY helpful tidbits on bb, but you have to dig through the trash first.

 

[slow-mun]

No.. I am not talking about that at all...

I am talking about people who start a log logging product X from company X, and are still applying for other logs mid-log.. Then win company Y log, and add in product Y...

You have a guilty conscience or something? lol For some reason you are taking this personally, when i didn't mention your name, or even have you in mind..

Well, "Box-Me-Man," I think I know what you are talking about.:lol:






*LMFAO OMG FTW

 

[3clipseGT]

Well, "Box-Me-Man," I think I know what you are talking about.:lol:






*LMFAO OMG FTW

Hahahhahaha i was thinkin the same ish! :lol: