Defuse :(

booneman77 said:
Dcp is an actual daily fat burner vs defuse which is just a cheat meal fat gain inhibitor
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According to dsade Defuse can also be used daily. 2 x 2 dosing for 45 days which is how I am going to run it. Makes it work as a fatburner more or less.
 
rowz4broz said:
As said below... imo there is some confusion with defuse because I had the same thinking as you. But now Defuse can be used 45 days in a row.
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At a smaller dose, and really with a different goal/effect tho. Not really a burner still.

I’ve used it with that protocol (logged it as well) and honestly didn’t see anything.

It’s a cheat meal only supp for me.
 
booneman77 said:
At a smaller dose, and really with a different goal/effect tho. Not really a burner still.

I’ve used it with that protocol (logged it as well) and honestly didn’t see anything.

It’s a cheat meal only supp for me.
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really??? i thought this protocol was new like as this version of defuse dropped (defuse perpetua) this new protocol came into exsistence

and actually the dose is higher
2 caps two times a day VS 3 caps half hour prior to cheat meal
 
rowz4broz said:
really??? i thought this protocol was new like as this version of defuse dropped (defuse perpetua) this new protocol came into exsistence

and actually the dose is higher
2 caps two times a day VS 3 caps half hour prior to cheat meal
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Perpetua isn’t out yet.

And that protocol was with the old 4 cap bottles. I’ve only just heard today that the new batch is 3 caps but I assume they must be huge caps ha
 
booneman77 said:
At a smaller dose, and really with a different goal/effect tho. Not really a burner still.

I’ve used it with that protocol (logged it as well) and honestly didn’t see anything.

It’s a cheat meal only supp for me.
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I agree with booneman77 . I wouldn't use it as daily supplement just on the grounds of that I wouldn't want it to loose it's effectiveness mainly, which is most likely would happen as your body became used to and build up a tolerance to it.
 
Hey y'all so I had a curious question regarding use of defuse in conjunction with a GDA. I'm currently on a cut/recomp and I tend to have my largest meal by far at night. Would there be any benefit to taking perhaps a partial dose of defuse (such as 1 capsule instead of the recommended 3) along with my GDA? I'm thinking it could kinda work by partitioning the calories but also ensuring that there's minimal fat gain due to it being a large meal. Thoughts? Thanks!!
 
Wildcat528 said:
Hey y'all so I had a curious question regarding use of defuse in conjunction with a GDA. I'm currently on a cut/recomp and I tend to have my largest meal by far at night. Would there be any benefit to taking perhaps a partial dose of defuse (such as 1 capsule instead of the recommended 3) along with my GDA? I'm thinking it could kinda work by partitioning the calories but also ensuring that there's minimal fat gain due to it being a large meal. Thoughts? Thanks!!
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Very interesting question...
In theory the addition of Defuse would give the GDA more time to put the calories and nutrients to more preferable use/storage, before being directed or let into the fat stores.
 
Slims said:
Very interesting question...
In theory the addition of Defuse would give the GDA more time to put the calories and nutrients to more preferable use/storage, before being directed or let into the fat stores.
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Can you elaborate on this
 
Slims said:
Very interesting question...
In theory the addition of Defuse would give the GDA more time to put the calories and nutrients to more preferable use/storage, before being directed or let into the fat stores.
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That's exactly along the lines of what I was thinking man. Theoretically it could have some benefits in expediting the fat loss but I'm not educated on it enough to know for sure. There's one way to find out though! I can give it a whirl and see how it goes perhaps
 
rowz4broz said:
Can you elaborate on this
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Defuse reduces fat gains by temporarily shutting the gates of the fat cells. This means that the calories and nutrients have to circulate around the system for longer and are more readily available to burn/use as energy. This extended time in the energy system gives the GDA more time to put more nutrients into the leaner tissues before Defuse can no longer hold the gates shut. So in theory, there are more calories and nutrients partitioned into lean cells and less calories to be deposited into fat cells.
 
Well hey I'm going to start that protocol today so I'll report back. I'm going to go with a normal dose of the new version of Slinmax GDA and incorporate 1 capsule of defuse. I may end up increasing the dose to 2 capsules of defuse but I don't anticipate it being vital to take a full dose of defuse (3 capsules). This will also let me stretch out the bottle of defuse. Under the theory that it enables the gda to partition the calories better I imagine I should potentially note an increase in muscle fullness and pump? Maybe not and perhaps that's just wishful thinking. The fat loss is the primary goal though so we'll see!
 
Wildcat528 said:
Well hey I'm going to start that protocol today so I'll report back. I'm going to go with a normal dose of the new version of Slinmax GDA and incorporate 1 capsule of defuse. I may end up increasing the dose to 2 capsules of defuse but I don't anticipate it being vital to take a full dose of defuse (3 capsules). This will also let me stretch out the bottle of defuse. Under the theory that it enables the gda to partition the calories better I imagine I should potentially note an increase in muscle fullness and pump? Maybe not and perhaps that's just wishful thinking. The fat loss is the primary goal though so we'll see!
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Definitely interested on your feedback with this method. I am on a surplus and was thinking of trying just one full dose per week with either pre or post workout meal of my weak body parts.
 
Wildcat528 said:
Well hey I'm going to start that protocol today so I'll report back. I'm going to go with a normal dose of the new version of Slinmax GDA and incorporate 1 capsule of defuse. I may end up increasing the dose to 2 capsules of defuse but I don't anticipate it being vital to take a full dose of defuse (3 capsules). This will also let me stretch out the bottle of defuse. Under the theory that it enables the gda to partition the calories better I imagine I should potentially note an increase in muscle fullness and pump? Maybe not and perhaps that's just wishful thinking. The fat loss is the primary goal though so we'll see!
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I'm going to see how this protocol works in regards to blood sugar against my blood glucose monitor. Because if the calories and nutrients are circulating the system longer it could take longer for blood sugar levels to return back to normal. All depends on how well the GDA works.
 
GiftedNatty said:
Definitely interested on your feedback with this method. I am on a surplus and was thinking of trying just one full dose per week with either pre or post workout meal of my weak body parts.
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I'll definitely let you know how it's going at regular intervals. I typically only weigh and do body composition assessment once a week on Sundays so I'll update after each weekly weigh in and analysis for ya!
 
Slims said:
I'm going to see how this protocol works in regards to blood sugar against my blood glucose monitor. Because if the calories and nutrients are circulating the system longer it could take longer for blood sugar levels to return back to normal. All depends on how well the GDA works.
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Looking forward to your feedback on that man! I hope it goes well!
 
GiftedNatty said:
Definitely interested on your feedback with this method. I am on a surplus and was thinking of trying just one full dose per week with either pre or post workout meal of my weak body parts.
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Hey man so far I’m down a few lbs. waist might be a little smaller. I have only been using 2 capsules/day but for the holidays I’ll bump to 3. Overall I’d say it’s working but my diet has been on point too. I’m hoping to maintain my current physique through the holidays so if I can do that I’d be impressed with this protocol. Will update with how that goes!
 
Slims said:
I'm going to see how this protocol works in regards to blood sugar against my blood glucose monitor. Because if the calories and nutrients are circulating the system longer it could take longer for blood sugar levels to return back to normal. All depends on how well the GDA works.
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I ran this test on my dad's birthday (December 12th), well, not exactly but kind of. I have the old version of defuse and what I have noticed is if I take 2 pills maybe an hour or two before a big cheat and then 2-4 pills about 30 minutes before, the effects are much more pronounced. In other words, if you are ONLY using it for cheats, it takes time to do its job and shut down fat storage. If you are dosing twice a day, then it may not matter. I'm experimenting with whether or not I feel like it just needs more time and dosing the 4 pills 2 hours before a meal may be better than the 30 minutes, or if doing 2 pills 2 hours before and another 2 pills 30 minutes before is better.

Anyway, I have a glucose meter and don't use it a lot. The highest I've ever gotten for a reading on it is 115 after my birthday in August when I had a big meal, lots of rolls, rice, ribs, fries and a big piece of birthday cake.

On my dad's birthday I had a smaller meal - chicken parm with some spaghettie but it was a more reasonable portion, no rolls or fries, etc. and a piece of cake. I had 2 defuse a couple hours before the meal and 2 more 30 minutes before the meal. 1 hour after the meal I hit 127. To me, this certainly indicates that I was having issues storing the carbs as fat and getting them out of my blood stream. Total fact? Nope. Weak science, but still an indicator.

Slims said:
Thinking about it, Defuse's effects can't be good for insulin sensitivity. I'm wondering if it could induce insulin resistance??
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Induce insulin sensitivity? That's an interesting thought, a good thought to think about but...Ehhh...If you are healthy I doubt it. Keep in mind this is designed for occasional use or a short term run (less than 45 days). If you are using it for extended periods of time, eating a ton of sugar and not exercising at all....yeah, maybe it will be a consideration that it could aid it, but those people have bigger issues and probably aren't interested in Defuse to begin with.

It's certainly interesting to think about, and I could be wrong. I wonder what dsade thinks of this?

But to your point, I think Defuse is probably the Evomuse product that is least understood by most users (myself included). It is one of the most rigorous formulas I've seen, unexpectedly effective when used properly, and certainly powerful and warrants some respect that most people underestimate.
 
HIT4ME said:

Induce insulin sensitivity?
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OR
Insulin Resistance...

My thinking behind this is that Insulin wants to get the nutrients/calories out of the blood stream and into storage as fast as possible. Now normally Insulin would have access to both the fat stores and muscle stores, but with Defuse it only has access to muscle stores (half the storage space that it usually has access too). This in turn slows down the storage process and making the nutrients/calories circulate in the blood stream longer and causing damage to various tissues, i.e. Insulin resistance.
 
Slims said:
OR
Insulin Resistance...

My thinking behind this is that Insulin wants to get the nutrients/calories out of the blood stream and into storage as fast as possible. Now normally Insulin would have access to both the fat stores and muscle stores, but with Defuse it only has access to muscle stores (half the storage space that it usually has access too). This in turn slows down the storage process and making the nutrients/calories circulate in the blood stream longer and causing damage to various tissues, i.e. Insulin resistance.
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This is the reason for cycling. Using it acutely for cheat meals won't have any effects on insulin resistance, and going with the extended dosing is recommended for about 45 days max. As well, you should incorporate some kind of lipolytic/Thermogenic or something like DCP to deal with the extra free fatty acids in the bloodstream.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
What about dosing it with Slintensity or another GDA?
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That's ideal, and you will notice pretty incredible effects, but I would still use a thermogenic if you're opting for the longer term dosing.
 
dsade said:
That's ideal, and you will notice pretty incredible effects, but I would still use a thermogenic if you're opting for the longer term dosing.
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Of course. This was in regards to the possible insulin issues.

I've been dosing 2 and 2 for cheat days, along with 2 Slintensity a day at my biggest meals, 6g of garcinia and 1.5g raspberry ketones, devided into 3 doses. I usually dose ECA twice a day.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
Of course. This was in regards to the possible insulin issues.

I've been dosing 2 and 2 for cheat days, along with 2 Slintensity a day at my biggest meals, 6g of garcinia and 1.5g raspberry ketones, devided into 3 doses. I usually dose ECA twice a day.
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6g? Any GI problems?
 
dsade said:
That's ideal, and you will notice pretty incredible effects, but I would still use a thermogenic if you're opting for the longer term dosing.
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When used for a cheat meal once a week and one isn't taking any fat burners daily. Would you recommend adding a thermogenic post meal just for that meal? Or just take Defuse with a GDA?
 
dsade said:
6g? Any GI problems?
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Not that I can tell. When I ran Garcinia this high in the past, I did have some loose stool. This time nada. Probably just balances the constipation that can come with Kratom use.
 
Slims said:
How are you finding Slintensity?
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Favorite GDA since OH Recompadrol. After three bottles though, I seem to maybe be building a tollerance to it. I can't say rhis for certain, as I have nothing to back it up.

And for what it's worth: I've used most of the popular GDA's over the years.
 
TheMrMuscle said:
When used for a cheat meal once a week and one isn't taking any fat burners daily. Would you recommend adding a thermogenic post meal just for that meal? Or just take Defuse with a GDA?
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You should be good with just a GDA.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
Favorite GDA since OH RecompadrolAfter three bottles though, I seem to maybe be building a tollerance to it. I can't say rhis for certain, as I have nothing to back it up.
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High praise indeed!
I've used upwards of 20+ GDA/NP products over the years and tested most of them against my blood glucose monitor. SlinMax has always proven to be most effective for me. Regards your possible tolerance build up, I run GDA's year round but usually do 8 weeks on followed by two weeks off. I notice the effects much better with those two weeks off than I did when I ran them non-stop.
 
I should be experimenting with Defuse/Glycoshield/Liposhield very soon. It should be interesting to say the least. I may attempt a short mini cut and see how it effects weight loss with one giant cheat meal weekly.
 
Slims said:
OR
Insulin Resistance...

My thinking behind this is that Insulin wants to get the nutrients/calories out of the blood stream and into storage as fast as possible. Now normally Insulin would have access to both the fat stores and muscle stores, but with Defuse it only has access to muscle stores (half the storage space that it usually has access too). This in turn slows down the storage process and making the nutrients/calories circulate in the blood stream longer and causing damage to various tissues, i.e. Insulin resistance.
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Lol, sorry, my brain wiring is messed up sometimes. I meant resistance and typed sensitivity. We are on the same page and your reasoning is sound in my book. This is why I point out to people at times that you actually WANT your fat to be insulin sensitive, if it is resistant you will eventually push systemic resistance.

There are a lot of things though that create this situation and Defuse in a person should not cause much issue in a relatively short timeframe. Keep in mind that insulin causes GLUT4 translocation in itself, so more insulin not acting on fat means it will act on muscle, increase GLUT4 and have an indirect GDA effect itself maybe.
 
Wildcat528 said:
Looking forward to your feedback on that man! I hope it goes well!
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Slims said:
OR
Insulin Resistance...

My thinking behind this is that Insulin wants to get the nutrients/calories out of the blood stream and into storage as fast as possible. Now normally Insulin would have access to both the fat stores and muscle stores, but with Defuse it only has access to muscle stores (half the storage space that it usually has access too). This in turn slows down the storage process and making the nutrients/calories circulate in the blood stream longer and causing damage to various tissues, i.e. Insulin resistance.
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HIT4ME said:
Lol, sorry, my brain wiring is messed up sometimes. I meant resistance and typed sensitivity. We are on the same page and your reasoning is sound in my book. This is why I point out to people at times that you actually WANT your fat to be insulin sensitive, if it is resistant you will eventually push systemic resistance.

There are a lot of things though that create this situation and Defuse in a person should not cause much issue in a relatively short timeframe. Keep in mind that insulin causes GLUT4 translocation in itself, so more insulin not acting on fat means it will act on muscle, increase GLUT4 and have an indirect GDA effect itself maybe.
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Right, I've now done 21 days with this protocol...

3xDefuse Only 20-25 minutes pre-meal,
Turns out that I was correct in regards to blood sugar levels. On multiple occasions it took 3+ hours for my blood sugar levels to return back to baseline levels.

3xDefuse+2xSlinMax pre-meal,
The inclusion of the GDA (SlinMax) provided little, if any benefit, again, taking 3+ hours for my blood sugar levels to return back to baseline levels.

2xSlinMax Only 20-25 minutes pre-meal,
Usual effects as proven time and time again, in which it helped bring my blood sugar level back to baseline levels around 1.5-2hours post meal
 
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