DaveGabe puts Lipotrophin AM/PM to the test!

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Ok, finally getting this started up! A little bit of a crazy week or two as I'm graduating and the semesters winding down.

Regardless, dieting and training is on point and I started supplementing on Sunday. I'll post the before/after pictures at the end of the log. I am dosing PM 3caps 30mins or so before bed. The AM I am dosing 2 caps / 3x daily to prevent the peaks and valleys. Overall I feel this will be a more effective route and will be easier on my adrenals without having to worry about any down-regulation.


I follow intermitten fasting dieting, more info can be found at Intermittent fasting diet for fat loss, muscle gain and health. Basically I have an eight hour feed period (usually 5pm-1pm), and then a 16 hour fast.Calories have been reduced pretty significantly, as I'm confident the Lipotrophin will aid me in the preservation of LBM.

Workouts are Mon-Wed-Fri. Simple chest/tri/shoulder - - back/bi - - legs split.


I do high intensity, low frequency style lifts and keep it very simple. I'm not into the crazy styles of working out, I do what works for me and I'm a firm believer that the work done in the gym is a very small piece to the large puzzle.


I'll try to take some videos of some sets during my lift tonight, gonna do back/bis.



Any questions, comments , or concerns... lemme know!


I'll also be posting pics of my meals I prepare from time to time ;)


Thanks again to the AN guys for the opportunity!
 
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You have a good stack there, and from what I can see, good nutrition and training practices as well. All the best in achieving your goal (I assume fat loss, and if it's not, I apologize for my assumption), bud :)

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You have a good stack there, and from what I can see, good nutrition and training practices as well. All the best in achieving your goal (I assume fat loss, and if it's not, I apologize for my assumption), bud :)

~Rosie~
Thanks for stoppin in Rosie!! It is to drop so fat as you mentioned, I'm currently 196 which is the lowest I've been in a year or two. If I could drop down to 190ish by the end of the products I'd be ecstatic. I'll be using two non-stim pre-workouts (yok3d and ICE Plus) to keep my caffeine consumption to reasonable levels and make sure I can maintain proper sleep hygiene as I tend to lift late at night.

Looking forward to see how this goes! Applied Nut. always impresses me with their write-ups and deep understanding of what goes into their products.


Glad to have ya, and amazing avy pic by the way ;)
 
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Thanks for stoppin in Rosie!! It is to drop so fat as you mentioned, I'm currently 196 which is the lowest I've been in a year or two. If I could drop down to 190ish by the end of the products I'd be ecstatic. I'll be using two non-stim pre-workouts (yok3d and ICE Plus) to keep my caffeine consumption to reasonable levels and make sure I can maintain proper sleep hygiene as I tend to lift late at night.

Looking forward to see how this goes! Applied Nut. always impresses me with their write-ups and deep understanding of what goes into their products.


Glad to have ya, and amazing avy pic by the way ;)
Just be sure that BODY COMPOSITION as opposed to scale weight is the target of your focus. However, there's no reason why you cannot get to ~190 pounds by the end of your use with this stack.

Lipotrophin-PM should help you with your sleep re deepness and quality - it did for me and that was the initial reason I first started using it and continued to use it.

Dirk does his homework and provides quality formulas, no doubt about it :)

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in on this brotha!
 
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In for the fun!
 
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Yesterdays workout:


Pullups
BW x 5
BW x 5
BW x 5
YouTube - 4-20-11 pullups BWx5
BW x 5
BW x 5
BW x 9
BW x 8
BW x 8

Seated Machine Rows
x 20
x 15

Curls
x 20
x 15

Done.

This is the first week of lifting since I've been back since Italy. Sort of easing into things and next week will start the heavy, fun stuff.

Today I took 2lbs ground beef and 1lb of hickory smoked bacon...and made four monster burgers :D


 
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^^ looks good, did you know that ground beef reduces almost 25% in weight when you cook it?!?
 
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^^ looks good, did you know that ground beef reduces almost 25% in weight when you cook it?!?
Give or take, yup...and rinsing your meat before your cook it can clear out almost 60% of the fat.
 
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subbed bro!

Damn them burgers look good..

My butcher makes these burgers that have bacon grounded up and mixed throughout the beef.. they are incredible!
 
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Damn them burgers look good..

My butcher makes these burgers that have bacon grounded up and mixed throughout the beef.. they are incredible!
Lucky bastard lol, sounds amazing!


Didn't get to squat yesterday, my dad had surgery on his kidney Thursday...so I came home to help take care of em.



Making my first quiche this afternoon...and I'm excited :D


May be a new way for me to bring eggs back into my diet. I have gotten so sick of standard morning egg recipes that i haven't eaten any in months. Making tons of different quiches may be a good way to mix it up a little.
 
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Tonight's Lift (35-40mins total)

CGBP
135 x 10
185 x 10
225 x 10
275 x 5
275 x 4
255 x 5
255 x 4

35* Incline DB
45 x 20
45 x 12
45 x 12

Seated Machine Press
x 20
x 20
x 20

Done. Got a litttttle bit of heavy work, and then some pretty fast paced volume. Since I'm in a caloric deficit I tend to shy away from the heavier work that I usually due, just to stay on the safe side of things. Much less risk of injury with the faster paced, lighter weight, higher volume for now. Should lend itself to leaning out nicely, as well.


I must admit, sleep has been noticeably better as well. The energy is obviously there as well because I've been stim free for months before using the AM. So the 6 caps ( 2caps @ 3x ) has been working great. The first two doses are on an empty stomach since my first meal is at 5pm. So far so good!
 
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I must admit, sleep has been noticeably better as well. The energy is obviously there as well because I've been stim free for months before using the AM. So the 6 caps ( 2caps @ 3x ) has been working great. The first two doses are on an empty stomach since my first meal is at 5pm. So far so good!
Good to hear :)

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Good to hear :)

~Rosie~
Yup!


Overall, it was a bit of a sloppy weekend. Unfortunately if you turn down food in an Italian family its borderline disrespectful to your grandparents and aunts....so I tried my best.

This whole week though I'll be all cleaned up, and doubt there will be any real damage done. Weights around 196ish, have been off creatine for a few weeks as well so that's most likely out of my system. That's why I'm not surprised by a few minor decreases in strength.


Regardless just looking to lean out nicely in my abdominal section which usually leans out very easily. It's my legs that I've never seen striations in before :(
 
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Yup!


Overall, it was a bit of a sloppy weekend. Unfortunately if you turn down food in an Italian family its borderline disrespectful to your grandparents and aunts....so I tried my best.

This whole week though I'll be all cleaned up, and doubt there will be any real damage done. Weights around 196ish, have been off creatine for a few weeks as well so that's most likely out of my system. That's why I'm not surprised by a few minor decreases in strength.


Regardless just looking to lean out nicely in my abdominal section which usually leans out very easily. It's my legs that I've never seen striations in before :(
A couple of bad days is not going to harm you :)

Strength does not have to necessarily cause a decrease in strength, since it indirectly helps with any strength gains (most of it is in one's nutrition), but yeah, you DO notice when NOT using creatine, especially if you don't use it so long that you allow your body's muscle creatine levels to return to threshold.

If you've never had striations in your legs before, maybe you just need to get leaner and/or build the muscle mass up more there for it to be more noticeable if not always leaner.

~Rosie~
 
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A couple of bad days is not going to harm you :)

Strength does not have to necessarily cause a decrease in strength, since it indirectly helps with any strength gains (most of it is in one's nutrition), but yeah, you DO notice when NOT using creatine, especially if you don't use it so long that you allow your body's muscle creatine levels to return to threshold.

If you've never had striations in your legs before, maybe you just need to get leaner and/or build the muscle mass up more there for it to be more noticeable if not always leaner.

~Rosie~
Agreed that the few days were negligible.

I just dropped creatine since I was in Italy for a week, and didn't want to reintroduce it when I came back, also at the beginning of this log because the period of re-saturation and overall appearance with make it difficult to properly assess my initial state when starting AM/PM.

Unfortunately most of my muscle mass is in my legs actually, and my squats are my best numbers. Have the national APA squat record for 220, raw, juniors actually.

It's just a matter of hitting 4-6% BF, which I admittedly, have never reached.
 
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To give an idea...here's a pic of when I was 18ish, granted I was a measly 180lbs or so...but you can tell how I'm no where near striations :(





and here's my legs:

 
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lookin swole in 3yr old pics, where are the updated shots lol?
 
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lookin swole in 3yr old pics, where are the updated shots lol?
Here's some more recent ones:









Last night's workout:

Pullups:
BW x 5
BW x 5
+25 x 5
+50 x 3+1+1
+50 x 5
BW x 5

Rack Chins
BW x 10
+40 x 10
+40 x 10

Bi's


A solid workout, felt good to get some weighted pullups going again. Happy to keep strength levels relatively the same despite caloric deficits. Pretty crazy week in school, had a human variation test, microbio test, genetic presentation, and next week's finals.

Excited to graduate though, and be shredded for summer :yup:
 
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Tonight's workout:


Squats
135 x 10
185 x 5
225 x 5
225 x 5
275 x 5
315 x 3
275 x 5
225 x 5

Calves/Abs


Felt good gettin back under the bar and squatting. Hips and glutes lost a lot of strength so my drive through was real weak, but I'm looking forward to gettin some nice numbers back.

I think from here on out I'll be substituting my 3rd dose of AM with PSU. So my daily dose of stims will be roughly the same, just a little extra ingredients for my workout performance.


Sleep has been great, and I'm waking up earlier in the mornings. However, since I'm so not used to getting up as early as I have been I tend to go back to sleep to a more appropriate hour. Something I can work on I suppose :p
 
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Two hours of basketball yesterday and some racquetball today. Legs are hurtin, but it's a good feeling.

Tomorrows back to chest/tri.
 
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Basketball is a killer, if I lift heavy and play an intense game of basketball I feel like I got hit by a train the next day lol
 
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Today's Workout:


Incline Bench
135 x 10
185 x 5
195 x 5
225 x 3
225 x 3

Military Press
135 x 10
155 x 5
185 x 1

Incline DB
60 x 20
70 x 9

Nautilus Chest Press
x 20, x 10, x 10

Panora Pressdowns
x 20, x 10, x 10


Had an awesome workout, and this is the most intensity I've had in a long time. I think with the job interview on Friday, and how I dominated both Genetics exams today, my overall positive mood really lent itself toward a very productive workout. Weight is at 195, and my roommate even said he notices my obliques really coming in.

Leaning out nicely and seem to be retaining my muscle quite nicely.


The PM was a lifesaver today!

I was studying from about 9:00 to 2:30am, went to bed, and woke up at 6:15ish fully rested. I was able to get up out of bed and study by 7, and got an extra 2 hours of review in before the exams began at 9:15 ish.


Fantastic sleep aid, and I think the improved rest is vital to adequate recovery while in a caloric deficit.
 
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Fantastic sleep aid, and I think the improved rest is vital to adequate recovery while in a caloric deficit.
I thoroughly agree

Nice work in here bud!
 
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The PM was a lifesaver today!

I was studying from about 9:00 to 2:30am, went to bed, and woke up at 6:15ish fully rested. I was able to get up out of bed and study by 7, and got an extra 2 hours of review in before the exams began at 9:15 ish.


Fantastic sleep aid, and I think the improved rest is vital to adequate recovery while in a caloric deficit.
Definitely! You're not going to want Lipotrophin-PM to leave your supplement arsenal after this :yup:

~Rosie~
 
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Wed - Back/Bi


Pullups
BW x 5
BW x 5
BW x 5
BW x 10

DB Rows
70 x 20
70 x 20
70 x 20


Wide-grip hammer pulldowns
x 10
x 10
x 10


Curls



The most vascular I've ever looked. Between the reintroduction of presurge + the fact that I am leanning out.....things are looking great! I apologize for a bit of inconsistency so far. Between finals and this job interview today, life's been unusually hectic. Next week begins a sense of normalcy so hang in there lol
 
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Definitely! You're not going to want Lipotrophin-PM to leave your supplement arsenal after this :yup:

~Rosie~
I'm afraid of this! I have some nice stacks lined up for afterwards though :)


Picked up two bottles of Shift today, couldn't resist that price.

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Don't have a gym membership quite yet at home. Signing up to Gold's in the next day or so.


Today I hit some floor presses with dumbbells and bands. Was pretty brutal, did short rests and some light incline work.

I'm going to be dropping my calories even more to really test the AM. I think I have been playing it a little to tentatively and I can safely drop more cals.
 
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3 hours of ball outside today. All 2v2's, felt good to play on some asphalt again...it's been a while.
 
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Pullups
BW x 5
BW x 5
+25 x 5
+25 x 5
+25 x 5
BW x 5
BW x 5

Close-grip reverse pulldowns
x 10
x 7

Bis


Another solid workout, vascularity was there once again and I weighed in at 193-194 with shoes on post-workout. So weights still right around 191.

Still leaning out, and going to keep my calories relatively at the same amount as they have been.
 
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Signed up to Gold's Gym today....damn it feels good to be in a real gym again. Gonna be using bands, chains, all the good stuff I used to that got me strong.


Today:

Close-grip bench
225 x 5
275 x 5
295 x 1
305 x 1
315 x 1

Floor Press
135 x 5
225 x 10
275 x 5
225 + chains x 5
225 + chains x 3

DB Press
70 x 15
65 x 12

Tri Pushdowns
x 30


Not sure what my weight is at because the scale wasn't calibrated properly in the locker. Looking lean, feeling strong, excited to see what the summer has in store.
 
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Warm up - 10min on elliptical


Pulls
135 x 5
225 x 5
315 x 3
365 x 3
405 x 1
405 x 1
365 x 3

HS Iso-rows
x 10
x 10
x 7
x 10
x 5

Rack Chins
x 10
x 10
x 10

Curls


Pulls sucked...it's been way too long, and I haven't pulled since I dropped these 20lbs or so. Oh well, looking forward to getting my numbers back up. Speed seems to be there, my hips are weak though.
 
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Excellent work man, sorry I havent kept up on this site, trying to keep up on dual sites gets tough lol!
 
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Excellent work man, sorry I havent kept up on this site, trying to keep up on dual sites gets tough lol!

Haha not a problem man. I'll keep the log going just the same with or without traffic.

Legs


Squats
135 x whatever
225 x 5
275 x 5
315 x 5
365 x 2
315 x 2

Leg Press
x 20
x 20
x 20

Calves / Abs


Felt great squatting in a cage again. I'm still hurtin back from deads, landscaping yesterday, and caloric deficit...but I don't really care cause I'm not one for excuses. Felt solid, looking forward to squatting with some more hams/glutes next week. Looking to really blow these numbers up with my deads in the near future.
 
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Bench Day:



Bench
135 x 5
225 x 5
275 x 5
275 x 5
225 x 5

Floor Press + Chains
135 x 5
225 x 5
225 x 5
225 x 4

DB Press
60 x 10
55 x 10
55 x 10
55 x 10
55 x 10

Flies
x 10
x 10


Done. My lifting partner, who I've known all my life, said I'm leaning out...which is cool. He usually doesn't say anything unless its really obvious because we're so damn competitive.
 
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Done. My lifting partner, who I've known all my life, said I'm leaning out...which is cool. He usually doesn't say anything unless its really obvious because we're so damn competitive.
If that's the case, you know your body is noticeably changing then - in a GOOD way :thumbsup:

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If that's the case, you know your body is noticeably changing then - in a GOOD way :thumbsup:

~Rosie~
Yup! I expected as much tbh. With adequate protein, increased cardio, AM/PM and getting back into powerlifting...it's a perfect environment to really maintain LBM (possibly increase) and drop some fat.

Thanks for stopping in!


Deads:

135 x 5
225 x 5
275 x 5
315 x 5
365 x 3
405 x 3

225 + Lights
5 x 2

Pull-throughs
x 15
x 15

Calves
x 15
x 15
x 15

Abs



Awesome workout. Had great speed on my pulls, and 405 was real easy. I'd like a 500+ pull at 190ish in the next few months.

Ran out of AM...going to finish the week with PM and then post some pictures and my final review. Still enjoying this sleep :D
 
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Yup! I expected as much tbh. With adequate protein, increased cardio, AM/PM and getting back into powerlifting...it's a perfect environment to really maintain LBM (possibly increase) and drop some fat.

Thanks for stopping in!

. . .

Ran out of AM...going to finish the week with PM and then post some pictures and my final review. Still enjoying this sleep :D
Definitely :)

Huge fan of Lipotrophin-PM, so you know I'll comment :lol:

Interested in thoughts re final review.

~Rosie~
 
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Definitely :)

Huge fan of Lipotrophin-PM, so you know I'll comment :lol:

Interested in thoughts re final review.

~Rosie~
Haha yea, you were the reason I was excited for PM in the first place! It most definitely delivered on the deep sleep.

Overall, it seems to be a relatively simple stack, nothing insanely novel, just a stack of solid ingredients that compliment a well-planned out diet.
 
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Haha yea, you were the reason I was excited for PM in the first place! It most definitely delivered on the deep sleep.

Overall, it seems to be a relatively simple stack, nothing insanely novel, just a stack of solid ingredients that compliment a well-planned out diet.
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Yes, but you don't have to be novel and complicated to get results if you do it right :yup:

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Yes, but you don't have to be novel and complicated to get results if you do it right :yup:

~Rosie~
Well I'm running AlphaT2 / Erase after this...so we'll see of which works better for me.
 
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Well I'm running AlphaT2 / Erase after this...so we'll see of which works better for me.
Fun times. If you're looking at fat loss, I can say without a doubt that Alpha-T2/Erase will be more effective than Lipotrophin-AM/Lipotrophin-PM, but that's just my experience. You could even add Lipotrophin-PM to the Alpha-T2/Erase stack - I have done this many times - as a pre-bed night-time fat loss aid.

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Fun times. If you're looking at fat loss, I can say without a doubt that Alpha-T2/Erase will be more effective than Lipotrophin-AM/Lipotrophin-PM, but that's just my experience. You could even add Lipotrophin-PM to the Alpha-T2/Erase stack - I have done this many times - as a pre-bed night-time fat loss aid.

~Rosie~
Yeah I'm simply looking for fat loss/recomp at this point. My last PL meet was at 220s, but now that I'm 191...I'm contemplating setting some records at 181 while I'm down here! lol

So I'm really looking to lift heavy, get my numbers up, and lean out so I have the best strength:weight ratio possible.
 
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Millies



95 x 10
135 x 5
155 x 3
165 x 3
165 x 3
165 x 3
165 x 3
135 x 8


Front/Side Raises


Cable Front/Side Raises



Diets still holdin strong and working great. Have a few more servings of PM, then on to the final review.
 

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