DAA and Libido Drop!

[JYD]

Hey Guys,

The short of it is I am on my 12th day of DAA (SNS caps), 4 caps in the morning, and I've noticed a bit of a drop in libido. I was planning to start Triazole (3 caps per day) on the 14th day, but I'm not considering dropping the DAA and going with just the Triazole.

For one, before I started the DAA, I was waking up with 50 - 75% morning wood every morning. Since starting the DAA, that has stopped. Also, my girlfriend is overseas and we Skype sex per normal, but the quality of erections has gone down slightly.

Is this the calm before the DAA libido surge storm, or is it negatively affecting my libido as it has done for some men? Is there usually a dip before the libido increase?

How long does it take for the libido increase to usually happen?

Should I drop the DAA and continue with Triazole (I took my first caps of Triazole today)?

Should I lower the dose of DAA to 2 instead of 4 caps?

I did not run any L-Dopa with this and I was told not to introduce the Triazole until 2 weeks into the DAA. I now wonder if I should have started the Triazole simultaneously.

I did prestack blood labs and they were pretty normal, actually good; here are my results below:

Total Test - 511 (348 - 1197)
Free Test - 18.14 (5.0 - 21.0)
% Free Test - 3.55 (1.5 - 4.2)
FSH - 2.3 (1.5 - 12.4)
LH - 2.9 (1.7 - 8.6)
IGF -1 - 221 (115 - 307)
Estradiol, Sensitive - 12 (3 - 70)
SHBG - 26.2 (16.5 - 55.9)​

Guys, please help! My girlfriend is coming in 5 days, and I can't have this issue when she's here. Thanks!

 

[kokobeware2]

HM interesting. I feel I can cut diamonds on my DAA. Well I'm no pct expert by any means but I took diesel hardcore and when u took 6 caps it dropped ur libido to zero and that's when ur test levels sky rocketed. So I would try to caps. I also just take 4 caps in the morning and I also take agmatine. Try that.

 

[JYD]

Yeah, I think I'm just going to stop it altogether. The girlfriend comes in from overseas in 5 days, and we're only together for 12. My libido was awesome before I started the DAA. I'm not taking anything else.

I think I'll start the Triazole and stop the DAA tomorrow. I've had good luck with Triazole. HOWEVER, if you look at my prestack bloodtests, you'll see that my E2 isn't exactly high to start off with, so I'll start with 3 caps per day of Triazole and see how I go.

I just don't every feel some strength gains in the gym are worth compromising libido.

 

[R1balla]

ive never heard of this before. if u wanna get libido up before she comes, get on some sustain alpha

 

[Clickster]

ive never heard of this before.

Same...^ I am usually a rabbit while on DAA.

 

[nattydisaster]

How is your sleep?

 

[JYD]

Thanks for the reply, guys. Yes, I have read all the positive reviews from others about libido increasing while on DAA, BUT if you search, there are other guys who have a dip/drop in libido on it as well. This is the second time I have tried it, and this happened last time as well. I guess I am not a responder in this way.

My sleep has been pretty good on it, overall. However, I'm a light sleeper, and I average 7 hours a night, and wake up well rested. I don't think sleep has been the issue.

Like I said, I would get the random boners throughout the day and at night (I'd always have one when I woke up at night), but they stopped as soon as I started the DAA.

I didn't take my DAA this morning, but I started the Triazole.

Thoughts?

 

[kisaj]

Somebody quickly send this man a bottle of Endosurge so he can walk around with a 24 hour boner. It is strange that a hard on can actually become annoying, but it can.

 

[fueledpassion]

You really dont have enough time to figure this out before she is here. I see one of two options:

1) you stop taking DAA only if you are sure it is what caused the issue. I once had stomach issues with the DAA and stopped it. The sides went away about 3 days after discontinuing use.

2) Or you could just get some Cialis or Viagra. I know a great research company that sells legit stuff that will do the trick temporarily.

And personally, Triazole killed my libido. I noticed your estrogen is on the low side, which I imagine makes for a good looking DRY body, but perhaps your body in particular needs more estro to keep a normal libido...just a thought.

But if that is the case Triazole is not your fix...

 

[Est1969]

^^^^ agree with this.

Make sure you do some reading on Cialis if you go that route. The 1/2 life is 18 hours, and there can be sides, so go slow and assess your reaction. That aside, great stuff if it works for you.

And some OTC tools for the occasion: Horny Goat Weed, Yohimbe (not Yohimbine HCL, although that can be useful too), Catauba Bark, Rhodiola).

Most importantly: don't freak yourself out! Many libido problems start in the head. Good luck

 

[JYD]

Thanks for all the replies and support. Your suggestions are really helpful, mucho gracias!!

TRIAZOLE AND MY E2
Regarding my E2 already being lower (lucky me?) and Triazole, yes, that is what I am wondering myself. Triazole has worked for me in the past with a 4 week run, ALSO, if the DAA did raise my estrogen a bit (albiet in 12 days), then I thought Triazole may work out. I was thinking to dose the Triazole at 3 caps this first week, then maybe 2 caps the second week, depending on how I feel.

WAS IT THE DAA
I stopped the DAA, didn't take it this morning. YES, I do believe it is the DAA. Why? Because I ran it in December for about 18 days, and the same exact thing happened to me then. I wanted to try it again, solo at first, and see if that was the possible cause. There is no other correlation between anything else and this effect. Like I said, for weeks and days before starting the DAA, I got random boners and sleep boners. Started the DAA, all of that stopped. Also, the last 3 days I felt a sudden change in mood. Not as positive is usual. I cannot thing of anything else that would cause this! I wanted to love it like most everyone else, but gain, I must be the minority of non-positive responders.

OTC LIBIDO HELP - HOMEOSTASIS
I'm not sure I want to take anything that is like a test booster at this point, other than the Triazole (b/c of my positive experience with it), but what else do you guys think can help be back to homeostasis? Endosurge? What else?

Many thanks, gents!

 

[fueledpassion]

For what it's worth, I'm a believer in Toco-8. One of these days I'm going to do before and after bloods to prove my point. I truly believe it keeps LH activity going and alongside the other known benefits of hair growth, anti-carcinogen effects, and the positive effects it has on my skin and libido, I'd have to say it's worthy of being a staple supplement.

 

[JYD]

Awesome, I'll look into that, Fuledpassion.

Should I look into just a basic like Trib/maca/Tongktat Ali, etc? ...To mix with the Triazole?

 

[Est1969]

I can recommend Maca for libido. Taste is nasty, but the effect is spot on. Tongkat is great too, but you have to source the right stuff, which is difficult. Many Tongkat powders that you buy OTC are worthless.

 

[JYD]

Noted. I am looking at AI Perform and NOW Testojack 200.

Not finding too much on Testojack for my searched. Perform seems to have good feedback!

Thanks!

 

[EasyEJL]

worth mentioning is that anything that disturbs the balance of your hormones can affect libido. So even though a rising testosterone can kick it up at first, its possible that there was a lag in SHBG rising, estrogen, etc that is what led to the drop of libido 2 weeks later.

 

[JYD]

Thanks EasyEJL. So based on that, do you think a good protocol will be to use the Triazole for around 2-3 weeks and throw in something like AI Perform?

Thanks!

 

[EasyEJL]

Thanks EasyEJL. So based on that, do you think a good protocol will be to use the Triazole for around 2-3 weeks and throw in something like AI Perform?

Thanks!

perform works nice the whole way around. Try the triazole alone and see how it affects you. Its really about all you can do as different people's libido do respond differently to different things.

 

[JYD]

perform works nice the whole way around. Try the triazole alone and see how it affects you. Its really about all you can do as different people's libido do respond differently to different things.

Righty-O. Will keep everyone posted. Thanks!

 

[JYD]

So today is my third day on Triazole and 4th day off the DAA. It has had a positive impact so far. Libido and night boners are coming back, but not as fully before I started everything 2 weeks ago today.

The night erections came back immediately the first night off DAA. Very annoying. I know this is a tremendous product for MANY, and and I felt it was working in ways (good vibe/mood, good workouts), but eventually not in the libido department. Already have a high libido, dammit!

I'll keep going with the Triazole and let everyone know how things develop.

BTW, the reason this is my last stack ever for a LONG time is that I have had mixed results from test boosting stacks. I usually feel a boost 2 weeks in, and then about the 3-4th week, I have had a history of it flatlining or I've had a decrease in libido. For me, I'd rather go as natural as possible from this point in my life going forward. At 35, seeing my friends get fat or on TRT, I consider myself lucky and don't want to mess up my natural hormonal production, even thought these are OTC, they still mess with your hormones. I'm not saying to stop using them, as I like them overall, but I just don't NEED them right now. ...In 10 years, YES, I could possibly benefit from them much more at that stage.

Boosters I have used in the past are...

Activate Extreme: very good product. Had significant strength gains in 4 weeks. Loved it.

Triazole: very good product. Seem to notice that it hits within week one and then starts to level off in terms of positive side effects at week 4. Strength goes up, but not as much as it did on AXT.

Diesel Test Hardcore: solid product. Smooth. Some good strength gains. Not uber moody, but still aggressive. Too many pills to take. Good libido bump.

Novedex XT: SOLID, but man, it killed my libido at 3 caps a day. I had to back it down to 2 caps. Was very aggressive and got into several altercations. Very testy and moody. Wanted to fight everyone. Strength and aggression were almost too much.

Thanks!​

 

[mr.cooper69]

Hey man, I was following your log on BB.com but unfortunately can no longer do so. I'll be following along here. Odd reaction, but I really wanna see if there is a way we can get this to work for you.

 

[bigdavid]

My libido tanked while using DAA for a few weeks. Triazole, however, made me superman in that department.

 

[Androflaven]

After taking DAA I'm always left with a very languid libido. Almost as bad as taking an opiate. Too bad because it makes my balls huge and results in noticeable mass/strength gains.

 

[Est1969]

For what it's worth, I'm a believer in Toco-8. One of these days I'm going to do before and after bloods to prove my point. I truly believe it keeps LH activity going and alongside the other known benefits of hair growth, anti-carcinogen effects, and the positive effects it has on my skin and libido, I'd have to say it's worthy of being a staple supplement.

I am starting to suspect that Toco-8 is awesomedust as well. I *think* my hair is getting thicker. Will keep at it.

As far as libido goes... Intimidate + Erase Pro has had my libido in overdrive for weeks now. It's distracting. My masseuse even started pawing my junk, and she never did that before. I think the ladies can smell it.

 

[JYD]

UPDATE: So far, nothing substantial to report on my 5th day of Triazole. I seem to recall it working around this time, but this is my 3rd run in 14 months. Only 4 weeks for each run.


Lifts seem to be going up, but I eat well, rest, and workout hard. Plus, I just did a deload week last week, so lifts have been progressive this week.

 

[fatburner2007]

I still don't understand how DAA caused a drop in your libido? I thought one of the benefits was a HUGE increase in libido?

How does Triazole compare with Lean Xtreme for you?

Have you tried SAN ElixAIR?

UPDATE: So far, nothing substantial to report on my 5th day of Triazole. I seem to recall it working around this time, but this is my 3rd run in 14 months. Only 4 weeks for each run.


Lifts seem to be going up, but I eat well, rest, and workout hard. Plus, I just did a deload week last week, so lifts have been progressive this week.

 

[J19891]

Hey Guys,

The short of it is I am on my 12th day of DAA (SNS caps), 4 caps in the morning, and I've noticed a bit of a drop in libido. I was planning to start Triazole (3 caps per day) on the 14th day, but I'm not considering dropping the DAA and going with just the Triazole.

For one, before I started the DAA, I was waking up with 50 - 75% morning wood every morning. Since starting the DAA, that has stopped. Also, my girlfriend is overseas and we Skype sex per normal, but the quality of erections has gone down slightly.

Is this the calm before the DAA libido surge storm, or is it negatively affecting my libido as it has done for some men? Is there usually a dip before the libido increase?

How long does it take for the libido increase to usually happen?

Should I drop the DAA and continue with Triazole (I took my first caps of Triazole today)?

Should I lower the dose of DAA to 2 instead of 4 caps?

I did not run any L-Dopa with this and I was told not to introduce the Triazole until 2 weeks into the DAA. I now wonder if I should have started the Triazole simultaneously.

I did prestack blood labs and they were pretty normal, actually good; here are my results below:

Total Test - 511 (348 - 1197)
Free Test - 18.14 (5.0 - 21.0)
% Free Test - 3.55 (1.5 - 4.2)
FSH - 2.3 (1.5 - 12.4)
LH - 2.9 (1.7 - 8.6)
IGF -1 - 221 (115 - 307)
Estradiol, Sensitive - 12 (3 - 70)
SHBG - 26.2 (16.5 - 55.9)​

Guys, please help! My girlfriend is coming in 5 days, and I can't have this issue when she's here. Thanks!

I think you should explore the possibility that some other factor in your life in effecting your libido.

 

[BBB]

DAA does just the opposite for me, nightly wood and libido all increase. If your libido is low try a DHT supplement. DHT levels seem to affect my libido more than any thing else.

 

[GunaGetBig]

I too LOST all libido on DAA + Triazole. Not sure if it was one or the other or both. I think I might have high prolactin levels or somthing. Thinking this I bleave a Endo + Erase + ZMA 8 week cycle should get back on the libido wagon. Is DAA really that necessary for a decent boost? Any thoughts on this would be great thanks !

 

[JYD]

Wow. Are you kidding me? Did the mods delete my reply from earlier today???

 

[breezy11]

Wow. Are you kidding me? Did the mods delete my reply from earlier today???

Probably not. There's issues with the forums right now. If you look there is a whole bunch of threads and posts missing.

 

[JReinhal]

I started taking Intimidate/Erase Pro a little over two weeks ago and completely lost libido and morning woods. Being in a long distance relationship, and I welcome that for the time being

 

[Tiarnon]

My suspicion when reading this is prolactin. The DAA causes an increase in this as well as Estro. You stated that you did not pair this with an L-Dopa product this time around, which may be your issue. You stated that you have used Activate Xtreme previously. As you well know, the L-Dopa will keep Prolactin under control. The Anti SHBG and anti-e properties will also help with the stack.

After your girlfriend leaves to go back overseas, I honestly believe it would be worth it to try combining DAA + AX and see how that works for you. Good luck.

 

[fueledpassion]

I started taking Intimidate/Erase Pro a little over two weeks ago and completely lost libido and morning woods. Being in a long distance relationship, and I welcome that for the time being

That's a common side effect of low Estrogen. It is also a side effect of high estrogen. If ur testicles are sensitive - thats also another symptom of estrogen being too low.

 

[JReinhal]

That's a common side effect of low Estrogen. It is also a side effect of high estrogen. If ur testicles are sensitive - thats also another symptom of estrogen being too low.

Wow, didn't know that. Ya they are sensitive to the point where it's difficult for me to do a testicular cancer self examination.

 

[amarula]

I still don't understand how DAA caused a drop in your libido? I thought one of the benefits was a HUGE increase in libido?

How does Triazole compare with Lean Xtreme for you?

Have you tried SAN ElixAIR?

Isn't this the effect that Dr. D talks about on his DAA thread when he explains the interactions with prolactin?

 

[fueledpassion]

Isn't this the effect that Dr. D talks about on his DAA thread when he explains the interactions with prolactin?

I think so. But honestly, I'd be surprised if prolactin got that high to actually feel it's effects. It doesn't do this for me anyways...

 

[bigdavid]

I think so. But honestly, I'd be surprised if prolactin got that high to actually feel it's effects. It doesn't do this for me anyways...

I had used DAA for three weeks solo (no other supplements besides staples) and it raised my prolactin a good amount I have blood work showing this. Don't get me wrong, it is not as high as someone who has a brain tumor. But it was elevated above the normal range and I was not able to raise the flag, if you catch my drift, during that third week, which was why I even got the blood tests. DAA is just not meant for some people I think this is popping up more and more. There are a lot of people who feel great on it but I am seeing a lot of posts lately from people saying they did not enjoy it at all. In the end, we all have different bodies. My prolactin shot up, but maybe yours doesn't.