Cycles without testosterone

[Smont]

I had letro years ago and it made me throw up, a lot

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

A little off topic but what's your opinion on letro vs caber. I've been having a hard time finding caber these days but letro is pretty easy to get ahold of

you mean prami right?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

letrozole is an AI

 

[Smont]

you mean prami right?

Yes prami lol

 

[Smont]

letrozole is an AI

I don't know why I said letro, that's actually something I've never used now that I think about it, at least not that I can remember

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

prami is the devil! you need to be very careful with it. I Sh!7 you not, that stuff will knock you out right after taking it but cause severe sleep deprivation from insomnia. I literally started having terrible hallucinations both visual and physical.. like I would feel some one tap me on the shoulder and have a conversation with no one there.

 

[Smont]

prami is the devil! you need to be very careful with it. I Sh!7 you not, that stuff will knock you out right after taking it but cause severe sleep deprivation from insomnia. I literally started having terrible hallucinations both visual and physical.. like I would feel some one tap me on the shoulder and have a conversation with no one there.

Well that's just creepy, I remember using it a few times and it making me throw up so I stopped

 

[Whisky]

Right on. It's just aggravating, everyone has a right to there own opinions, but because something is your opinion don't make it facts. Not to mention no1 ever said you shouldn't use test. I just don't see why people have to go off topic and start a bunch of nonsense. I mean the sole purpose of this thread was to see what successful no test cycles people have ran. Not to build a cycle or ask for advise. Literally just a conversation about what has been done. But that's too much to ask for.

Anyways. Trestolone is one of those things that everyone seems to react drastically different too. And I think some of that is quality. I had one experience with it where I gained basically all of the positive side effects and minimal estrogen problems, the last time I used it I got no benefits and all the negatives

I used a TD version and tbh was surprised that the estro sides weren’t too bad (higher test and I get prone to them). I’d defo use it again. Just enjoy test and have a great ugl in the uk which I got a load from so test will underpin my next few cycles purely for that reason alone.

i think some people miss the point of open discussion bro.

 

[Hyde]

prami is the devil! you need to be very careful with it. I Sh!7 you not, that stuff will knock you out right after taking it but cause severe sleep deprivation from insomnia. I literally started having terrible hallucinations both visual and physical.. like I would feel some one tap me on the shoulder and have a conversation with no one there.

No hallucinations here but definitely got the severe lethargy and insomnia. You have to dose before bed because morning just destroys your day, but the sleep issue becomes real. Can’t even imagine someone on Tren e with sleep issues trying to take prami to control gyno and allow them to cum. You would almost never sleep, short of tranquilizing yourself.

Also very easy to OD on it. You only need like 0.1mg e3d. You can work up super high over time but it won’t do anything good for you. And if you take more than you’re used to it gets ugly FAST. Easy to do when a few drops makes a difference.

 

[Smont]

No hallucinations here but definitely got the severe lethargy and insomnia. You have to dose before bed because morning just destroys your day, but the sleep issue becomes real. Can’t even imagine someone on Tren e with sleep issues trying to take prami to control gyno and allow them to cum. You would almost never sleep, short of tranquilizing yourself.

Also very easy to OD on it. You only need like 0.1mg e3d. You can work up super high over time but it won’t do anything good for you. And if you take more than you’re used to it gets ugly FAST. Easy to do when a few drops makes a difference.

Ya I guess il leave that alone and keep searching for caber. I don't even need it right now. Just one of those things I should have on hand

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

yeah funny you should mention tren e... because that's literally the reason I had to use it.

BTW… short of killing myself, I am the one who fucked up with prami. I took a ml per day for a few days strait. the **** has a long half life, so yea I got real close to fucking up real good. stupid tricks get stupid prizes.

 

[Smont]

yeah funny you should mention tren e... because that's literally the reason I had to use it.

BTW… short of killing myself, I am the one who fucked up with prami. I took a ml per day for a few days strait. the **** has a long half life, so yea I got real close to fucking up real good. stupid tricks get stupid prizes.

I don't think it would work for tren but with dienolone I can use b6 with a little ralox and a little exemestane and keep everything in check. But then again I haven't ran dienolone very high or very long. So it might not work at a comparable dose.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

honestly.. I would be ok running inhibit -p even with tren. I don't have too many issues with the stuff. I was in fact looking to increase my cum load to shower the ole lady with when I was using the prami. its was more for refraction time and load capacity than prolactin issues.

I have more problems with prolactin when im not on nor tests than I do from using them

 

[Smont]

honestly.. I would be ok running inhibit -p even with tren. I don't have too many issues with the stuff. I was in fact looking to increase my cum load to shower the ole lady with when I was using the prami. its was more for refraction time and load capacity than prolactin issues.

I have more problems with prolactin when im not on nor tests than I do from using them

 

[Whisky]

Ya I guess il leave that alone and keep searching for caber. I don't even need it right now. Just one of those things I should have on hand

ive never tried prami but always had caber in (uk so I order from my friendly Asian pharmacy).

I used a low dose throughout my last deca cycle just as bloods had me a touch elevated. Tbh I probably could have got away without it but that and a cialis was a great weekend combo.......

I literally get zero sides off caber so just stick with it. Running tren (ttm stack) in around a month so will low dose it again then.

just to note. The cialis isn’t actually needed (yet - I have no doubt my ticket to the soft noodle club is in the post) but I just enjoy the feeling of being able to knock walls down with little whisky when on it. Just use one every couple of weeks or so for fun

 

[Smont]

ive never tried prami but always had caber in (uk so I order from my friendly Asian pharmacy).

I used a low dose throughout my last deca cycle just as bloods had me a touch elevated. Tbh I probably could have got away without it but that and a cialis was a great weekend combo.......

I literally get zero sides off caber so just stick with it. Running tren (ttm stack) in around a month so will low dose it again then.

just to note. The cialis isn’t actually needed (yet - I have no doubt my ticket to the soft noodle club is in the post) but I just enjoy the feeling of being able to knock walls down with little whisky when on it. Just use one every couple of weeks or so for fun

I really just want to have it on hand for things that could cause prolactin gyno, I don't wanna breast feed anyone lol

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

for me.. Cialis always worx better the day after I use it.

 

[Smont]

for me.. Cialis always worx better the day after I use it.

You should try taking 5mg daily. After about 2 weeks you have solid help for blood pressure and you will be built up to the performance enhancing sides as well. Even if you don't need it for it's cailis purpose. I like how it keeps my BP and pump in the gym

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

I actually take 20mgs eod

 

[Ironpirate]

Prami has worked for me with great success. I've measured PRE's prami at 40mcg per drop. If you take one drop every night for 5 days then increase to two drops for 5 days and so on. I believe most people could handle it, they just don't have the patience or discipline to.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Prami has worked for me with great success. I've measured PRE's prami at 40mcg per drop. If you take one drop every night for 5 days then increase to two drops for 5 days and so on. I believe most people could handle it, they just don't have the patience or discipline to.

this is the only way I can do it. and after a little research I figured this out.. albeit the hard way

 

[Smont]

Prami has worked for me with great success. I've measured PRE's prami at 40mcg per drop. If you take one drop every night for 5 days then increase to two drops for 5 days and so on. I believe most people could handle it, they just don't have the patience or discipline to.

40mcg per drop. That seems like a huge amount of room for error. Like how much is a drop lol. I'm not making fun, I just don't know if I trust myself to eyeball that drop

 

[Ironpirate]

40mcg per drop. That seems like a huge amount of room for error. Like how much is a drop lol. I'm not making fun, I just don't know if I trust myself to eyeball that drop

It's in no way accurate. You should definitely get caber. I'm just a cheap ass and I like being able to do things that most other people say they can't do.

 

[Smont]

It's in no way accurate. You should definitely get caber. I'm just a cheap ass and I like being able to do things that most other people say they can't do.

How many mg/ml is the liquid?

 

[Smont]

How many mg/ml is the liquid?

Or mcg I should say

 

[Smont]

Nvr mind I just looked it up. 2mg/ml, holy **** balls Batman

 

[Smont]

One bttl last a lifetime

 

[Renew1]

Nvr mind I just looked it up. 2mg/ml, holy **** balls Batman

I bet a number of guys have messed themselves up.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Nvr mind I just looked it up. 2mg/ml, holy **** balls Batman

and that my friend is how I started talking to ghosts.

 

[SkRaw85]

Legend has it, he still hears them to this day....

 

[Iwilleattuna]

I had letro years ago and it made me throw up, a lot

purging estrogen

 

[Smont]

purging estrogen

No I ment to say prami, it can make you really sick. How have you been tuna

 

[BCseacow83]

Ya, I love when a answer to a question starts with it depends and they start going down the worm hole. There's no 1 right way to do something and I love to hear answers that don't say you need or you have to.

That's one of my problems with this forum. Everyone immediately spits out the same regurgitated information over and over again, I can't count how many times I see someone giving a outline or advise on a cycle that sounds like the same old cookie cutter. Then a month later they have a thread about starting there first cycle. No1 wants advise that you read about and never tried yourself. I want real life feedback and experience first and your studies can come after that.

Il stop ranting now, but ya good podcast lol

The majority of stuff I have run has been sans test. NEVER had any issues when in my early 20's. Now upper 30's and completely hypo-gonadal(not due to lack of test use during cycles, it was going to happen and I merely hastened it, last test was sub 30ng/dl for TOTAL TEST.)

For a couple years when I had no doc, no insurance and no willingness to violate laws in my AO(still dont lol) I used trest, trest and epiandro, various versions of 4-dhea and dermacrine. I felt a lot better than basically having no hormone but still had no libido and NEVER felt THE AWESOMENESS of trest that others proclaimed. This was with the OG PO versions as well.

Fast forward to now and I have my script of 200mg/week, usually take closer to 100, and trest now has the AWESOMENESS that everyone proclaims.

My point is if your body still makes a little endo test and you cycle off with a great PCT then sure test free cycles are fine. If you are completely hypo or plan to blast and cruise I see no legitimate reason to not have any test in ones system long-term.

 

[Hyde]

The majority of stuff I have run has been sans test. NEVER had any issues when in my early 20's. Now upper 30's and completely hypo-gonadal(not due to lack of test use during cycles, it was going to happen and I merely hastened it, last test was sub 30ng/dl for TOTAL TEST.)

For a couple years when I had no doc, no insurance and no willingness to violate laws in my AO(still dont lol) I used trest, trest and epiandro, various versions of 4-dhea and dermacrine. I felt a lot better than basically having no hormone but still had no libido and NEVER felt THE AWESOMENESS of trest that others proclaimed. This was with the OG PO versions as well.

Fast forward to now and I have my script of 200mg/week, usually take closer to 100, and trest now has the AWESOMENESS that everyone proclaims.

My point is if your body still makes a little endo test and you cycle off with a great PCT then sure test free cycles are fine. If you are completely hypo or plan to blast and cruise I see no legitimate reason to not have any test in ones system long-term.

^Useful feedback

 

[Smont]

The majority of stuff I have run has been sans test. NEVER had any issues when in my early 20's. Now upper 30's and completely hypo-gonadal(not due to lack of test use during cycles, it was going to happen and I merely hastened it, last test was sub 30ng/dl for TOTAL TEST.)

For a couple years when I had no doc, no insurance and no willingness to violate laws in my AO(still dont lol) I used trest, trest and epiandro, various versions of 4-dhea and dermacrine. I felt a lot better than basically having no hormone but still had no libido and NEVER felt THE AWESOMENESS of trest that others proclaimed. This was with the OG PO versions as well.

Fast forward to now and I have my script of 200mg/week, usually take closer to 100, and trest now has the AWESOMENESS that everyone proclaims.

My point is if your body still makes a little endo test and you cycle off with a great PCT then sure test free cycles are fine. If you are completely hypo or plan to blast and cruise I see no legitimate reason to not have any test in ones system long-term.

Ya that would be a terrible idea, I wouldn't expect anyone on trt to try a no test cycle. They would just be asking for a world of hurt. Real trt is a delicate process that should not be messed with. Adding more is one thing but taking the test away is not a good idea

 

[CroLifter]

prami is the devil! you need to be very careful with it. I Sh!7 you not, that stuff will knock you out right after taking it but cause severe sleep deprivation from insomnia. I literally started having terrible hallucinations both visual and physical.. like I would feel some one tap me on the shoulder and have a conversation with no one there.

I had some hallcinations from caber, but nothing like this. More like hearing a phantom doorbell at 3 am.

 

[SkRaw85]

I had some hallcinations from caber, but nothing like this. More like hearing a phantom doorbell at 3 am.

What dose?

 

[CroLifter]

What dose?

0.25mg a day or two (before hallucinations happened), cant remember exactly.

But then again, i am prone to pre-sleep hallucinations. I will sometimes have visual and auditory hallucinations right before i fall asleep.

 

[SkRaw85]

0.25mg a day or two (before hallucinations happened), cant remember exactly.

But then again, i am prone to pre-sleep hallucinations. I will sometimes have visual and auditory hallucinations right before i fall asleep.

Just curious. Currently running .5 mg per week and I think I’m trippin. Hallucinating viruses, riots, aliens existing, America burning... weird **** lol.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

weird my trt is giving me the same damn hallucinations too

 

[Smont]

weird my trt is giving me the same damn hallucinations too

I just drove by a protest or rally or whatever you wanna call it by the police station. There were lots of old white people holding signs that say black lives matter. One said I can't breath.... I also thought I might be hallucinating

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

I just drove by a protest or rally or whatever you wanna call it by the police station. There were lots of old white people holding signs that say black lives matter. One said I can't breath.... I also thought I might be hallucinating

naw, that's just white privlege

 

[CroLifter]

Just curious. Currently running .5 mg per week and I think I’m trippin. Hallucinating viruses, riots, aliens existing, America burning... weird **** lol.

I missed the alien part. I think i heard sth about your government declaring they spotted an unknown object. I thought perhaps they are throwing that out there to distract people from sth else.

Or perhaps they are throwing it out right now because they know people are pre-occupied with other stuff.

Also couldnt connect the "america burning" at first. Didnt know anything about it till my mother started talking about police brutality.

It is funny guys...here across the atlantic the local news report happenings in the US often times as top news, as if it was happening over here.

 

[trumac]

I missed the alien part. I think i heard sth about your government declaring they spotted an unknown object. I thought perhaps they are throwing that out there to distract people from sth else.

Or perhaps they are throwing it out right now because they know people are pre-occupied with other stuff.

Also couldnt connect the "america burning" at first. Didnt know anything about it till my mother started talking about police brutality.

It is funny guys...here across the atlantic the local news report happenings in the US often times as top news, as if it was happening over here.

Yeah the pentagon just finally admitted that some older videos were unidentified flying objects. Really wasn’t anything new, the videos were from years ago

 

[Smont]

I definitely think there's intelligent life out there somewhere I don't think highly enough of the human race to think we're special enough to be the only ones

 

[Carnivorecon]

I definitely think there's intelligent life out there somewhere I don't think highly enough of the human race to think we're special enough to be the only ones

They must be intelligent, they stayed away from Earth

 

[Smont]

They must be intelligent, they stayed away from Earth

They visit earth to shoot episodes of scared straight.

 

[Carnivorecon]

They visit earth to shoot episodes of scared straight.

Hahaha I'm just picturing the marklars from south park doing that

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

They visit earth to shoot episodes of scared straight.

I just spit my beer across the room busted the fucx out laughing

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

"As far as liver toxicity. It's greatly exaggerated and does not worry me. I've had bloods on multiple cycles and I'm never really out of range from orals. But that's not what this thread is about. "

Lucky SOB. I love methylated PH, but my liver enzymes go nutz. I was able to get them 100% back to normal, but it took 6-12 months to get them all the way back after too many cycles too fast in ~3 years. Would love to know why my liver enzymes go out of whack, pee turns orange.. others it seems it barely moves their levels in bloods. Another thread I suppose.