Absolutely terrible idea. I used to run halodrol, super DMZ and epi with no test. Completely killed my dick every single time.
did you ever think that maybe its not the missing test that killed your dik?Absolutely terrible idea. I used to run halodrol, super DMZ and epi with no test. Completely killed my dick every single time.
Like THIS right here?:That's one of my problems with this forum. Everyone immediately spits out the same regurgitated information over and over again, I can't count how many times I see someone giving a outline or advise on a cycle that sounds like the same old cookie cutter. Then a month later they have a thread about starting there first cycle. No1 wants advise that you read about and never tried yourself. I want real life feedback and experience first and your studies can come after that.
Oh you would? Have you run them together? What about dosage and duration and personal response - are those not more important factors than, “Bro, 2 methyls will give you black liver, heard it online”?I would highly recommend against using two methylated compounds like Dbol and Winstrol together. That's a very liver toxic compound.
It's more likely the fact that you had no estrogen in your bodyAbsolutely terrible idea. I used to run halodrol, super DMZ and epi with no test. Completely killed my dick every single time.
Actually, that's kinda of a weird one. Going by the compounds you listed I'm assuming you only ran it for 4 weeks or maybe 6. I would think that in that short of a time you would still have a little test and estrogen in your body. It doesn't just dissapear on day one. You should have a lot of dht from the msten and epi andro. I'm kinda stumped on that oneIt's more likely the fact that you had no estrogen in your body
It (effectively) lowers Estrogen.Anyone know if too much dht kills your libido?
Ya, I'm thinking that testosterone was getting low, which means estrogen is lower and then the dht killing what ever little estrogen is being produced.It (effectively) lowers Estrogen.
I agree.Ya, I'm thinking that testosterone was getting low, which means estrogen is lower and then the dht killing what ever little estrogen is being produced.
That's why cycles with dbol and a dht don't kill your libido. You got no test but enough estrogen and dht to maintain sexual functionI agree.
That's most likely.
It does matter. Because you can run very successful cycles, feel great and have a high sex drive without testosterone.Does it really matter the exact cause? No ! To much DHT. To little estrogen, to little test. Either way running gear without test is no the way to go. At the least you could run half a ml per week to keep your test up.
When you’re having a discussion about these things of course it matters what is causing an issue. He is also not advocating people not take test. He asked for older guys that may have run these old school types of cycles to share their experience. That’s itDoes it really matter the exact cause? No ! To much DHT. To little estrogen, to little test. Either way running gear without test is no the way to go. At the least you could run half a ml per week to keep your test up.
I would want to know the exact cause of what killed my dik.. maybe its just me.Does it really matter the exact cause? No ! To much DHT. To little estrogen, to little test. Either way running gear without test is no the way to go. At the least you could run half a ml per week to keep your test up.
Exactly. I'm not here for argument or to tell anyone what to do. The sole point of this thread is to conversate on what different cycles did for gains and how you felt on them. More interested in old school stuff not prohormones so much. His experience is his experience and I'm not saying that some testosterone would not have fixed his problem, it most likely would have. But that still doesn't mean you have to use testosterone on every cycle. It also doesn't mean you can't use testosterone on every cycle.When you’re having a discussion about these things of course it matters what is causing an issue. He is also not advocating people not take test. He asked for older guys that may have run these old school types of cycles to share their experience. That’s it
I'm 35, the guys who I know that run these no test cycles back in the day are all in there 50-60s now. Go tell all the guys from the golden era they should have used test. Most of them didn't. Anyway, please see your way out. Your in no way contributing to the thread. And you also have no clue what your talking aboutWrong you must use test on every cycle.
"Old school stuff" lol they are all steroids and all will kill your natural test.
But you young guys go on and try a few cycles with no test. When Viagra and cialis both will not work and your wife or girl is about to leave then you will be sorry.
^^^^^ I'm one of those guys. ^^^^I'm 35, the guys who I know that run these no test cycles back in the day are all in there 50-60s now. Go tell all the guys from the golden era they should have used test. Most of them didn't. Anyway, please see your way out. Your in no way contributing to the thread. And you also have no clue what your talking about
M1T completely suppressed one guy in three days based on daily blood work. You'd be surprised how quick the body clears endogenous hormones. A great example is high dose AIs in functional HTPAs doesn't completely suppress E2. In a TRT situation it will do to the terminal dose and limited reservior of testosterone to supply E2 aromatization.Actually, that's kinda of a weird one. Going by the compounds you listed I'm assuming you only ran it for 4 weeks or maybe 6. I would think that in that short of a time you would still have a little test and estrogen in your body. It doesn't just dissapear on day one. You should have a lot of dht from the msten and epi andro. I'm kinda stumped on that one
That wasn't directed at you bad radThere's sarms in human trials now that are looking to be applied for trt. None of them are testosterone and all of them supress testosterone over time. How will anyone function or have sex once these are prescribed for trt. Dbol will shut off your test production, yet it was approved for trt. I guess this guy knows more then geniuses who work for multi million dollar pharma companies.
That's interesting stuffM1T completely suppressed one guy in three days based on daily blood work. You'd be surprised how quick the body clears endogenous hormones. A great example is high dose AIs in functional HTPAs doesn't completely suppress E2. In a TRT situation it will do to the terminal dose and limited reservior of testosterone to supply E2 aromatization.
Before I ever pinned or used any test I was running hdrol solo or with rad140. Hdrol at 150 mgs, once went 8 weeks, boner jamz all day no issues. To each their own. Currently going zero test again and releasing uncle trester the iron molester, again, bonerific, because trest is best. To each their own.Absolutely terrible idea. I used to run halodrol, super DMZ and epi with no test. Completely killed my dick every single time.
I bet trestolone, masteron, caber would be a awesome cycle till you get arrested for some kind of sexual deviancesBefore I ever pinned or used any test I was running hdrol solo or with rad140. Hdrol at 150 mgs, once went 8 weeks, boner jamz all day no issues. To each their own. Currently going zero test again and releasing uncle trester the iron molester, again, bonerific, because trest is best. To each their own.
Was the Hdrol that much better at 150? Sides not bad eh?Before I ever pinned or used any test I was running hdrol solo or with rad140. Hdrol at 150 mgs, once went 8 weeks, boner jamz all day no issues. To each their own. Currently going zero test again and releasing uncle trester the iron molester, again, bonerific, because trest is best. To each their own.
spoken like a true perv! wait! I resemble that remark~I bet trestolone, masteron, caber would be a awesome cycle till you get arrested for some kind of sexual deviances
Only side I would get was wicked back pumps if I neglected hydration, taurine, magnesium, and potassium. But if you kept your ducks in a row it was quite amazing.Was the Hdrol that much better at 150? Sides not bad eh?
In the designer days I never used test. Dick worked fine too.Before I ever pinned or used any test I was running hdrol solo or with rad140. Hdrol at 150 mgs, once went 8 weeks, boner jamz all day no issues. To each their own. Currently going zero test again and releasing uncle trester the iron molester, again, bonerific, because trest is best. To each their own.
I know I used it up to 125, don't remember if I went to 150, but same here, painful pumps was the only side. Taurine didn't help in the slightest. It can be very difficult to finish a workout when the pump is so intense you can only go through partial ranges of motionOnly side I would get was wicked back pumps if I neglected hydration, taurine, magnesium, and potassium. But if you kept your ducks in a row it was quite amazing.
A decade layer and still truckinIn the designer days I never used test. Dick worked fine too.
Holy ****, I just thought about that. It's been a decade since I first tried prohormones. I'm getting oldA decade layer and still truckin
I first tried them in 08-09. Got them shipped out to an APO in IraqHoly ****, I just thought about that. It's been a decade since I first tried prohormones. I'm getting old
Ya I think it was 2009 for me too. I can't count on both hands how many people I know that we're deployed between 2004-2010 running prohormone cycles like 5 times a year with no pct no nothing. They all just thought they were supplements like creatine and n.o. boosters lol. Half of them are on trt now. Some of them never had a problem and they still use steroids today with no pct, no ai no nothing. All terrible ideas but some people are just lucky I guessI first tried them in 08-09. Got them shipped out to an APO in Iraq
I got a friend thats 67 and jacked as ****. Would put 99% of us to shame. I'm trying to get him to join the forum just to tell his stories lol. But he still has a fukin flip phone lol. I told him I'd buy him a smart phone and he said i don't want people texting me.Just a bunch of antique MF’ers hobbling around this forum
**** happens, I got hurt. I've got plenty of pictures here of when I was in shape.Yeah running trest would be an exception!
"See my way out" yeah bro you look like you don't run test.
Goals man! I intend to be old and still SBD’ing!I got a friend thats 67 and jacked as ****. Would put 99% of us to shame. I'm trying to get him to join the forum just to tell his stories lol. But he still has a fukin flip phone lol. I told him I'd buy him a smart phone and he said i don't want people texting me.
I'd also like to hear your reasoning why trestolone is the exception? Why, because it makes most people horny? It's still completely shuts down your testosterone production can temporarily sterilize you and converts to massive amounts of methyl estrogen. Can it work in place of testosterone, yes for many people that can, what's so can dbol and many other things when done properlyYeah running trest would be an exception!
"See my way out" yeah bro you look like you don't run test.
Ignore the troll bro. Thought he was attempting to be funny in his first post tbhI'd also like to hear your reasoning why trestolone is the exception? Why, because it makes most people horny? It's still completely shuts down your testosterone production can temporarily sterilize you and converts to massive amounts of methyl estrogen. Can it work in place of testosterone, yes for many people that can, what's so can dbol and many other things when done properly
Right on. It's just aggravating, everyone has a right to there own opinions, but because something is your opinion don't make it facts. Not to mention no1 ever said you shouldn't use test. I just don't see why people have to go off topic and start a bunch of nonsense. I mean the sole purpose of this thread was to see what successful no test cycles people have ran. Not to build a cycle or ask for advise. Literally just a conversation about what has been done. But that's too much to ask for.Ignore the troll bro. Thought he was attempting to be funny in his first post tbh
trest is the one substance I have personally used instead of test and it’s the closest thing I’ve found to giving me the feel good effect (I only use test for that purpose, 300-400 and I feel amazing, doesn’t do much for gains for me but the other compounds do that).
I do like the sound of your trest, mast, caber comment above though. I’m already a sexual deviant though and to be honest just test is dangerous for me in that regard caber also has me coating walls so **** knows what I would be arrested for
Caber is introduced at week 3Ignore the troll bro. Thought he was attempting to be funny in his first post tbh
trest is the one substance I have personally used instead of test and it’s the closest thing I’ve found to giving me the feel good effect (I only use test for that purpose, 300-400 and I feel amazing, doesn’t do much for gains for me but the other compounds do that).
I do like the sound of your trest, mast, caber comment above though. I’m already a sexual deviant though and to be honest just test is dangerous for me in that regard caber also has me coating walls so **** knows what I would be arrested for
A little off topic but what's your opinion on letro vs caber. I've been having a hard time finding caber these days but letro is pretty easy to get ahold ofIgnore the troll bro. Thought he was attempting to be funny in his first post tbh
trest is the one substance I have personally used instead of test and it’s the closest thing I’ve found to giving me the feel good effect (I only use test for that purpose, 300-400 and I feel amazing, doesn’t do much for gains for me but the other compounds do that).
I do like the sound of your trest, mast, caber comment above though. I’m already a sexual deviant though and to be honest just test is dangerous for me in that regard caber also has me coating walls so **** knows what I would be arrested for
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