Creatine? Which one?

alvintran12

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I heard this is a good way to bulk up quickly and gain muscle at the same time.
I at this point of time only take whey, apporximately 55g when i moderately workout but not to the point of exhaustion. My friend prescribed creatine, and I was at vitaminshoppe and GNC but have no idea which brand is the best. Plese recommend me some known to work brands. Also powder vs. pill? With this creatine, i shall intake whey with it aswell before and after workouts. I use whey from vitamanshoppe called bodytech.
 
Creatine does not make you 'bulk up and gain muscle quickly'. It is simply a carrier/storage for inorganic phosphate which is used to resynthesize ATP during the onset of exercise 1-5 seconds without supplementation and ~1-10 with creatine supplementation. This bit of extra energy can provide a mean to help with muscle gain with proper training and diet; however, just taking creatine will not.
 
I have never really looked at brand for creatine but rather the content. Creatine Monohydrate is the most researched and is proven to increase performance. I personally would take a pre-workout sup. with creatine mono in it and then have straight up creatine mono for 2-3 other small doses throughout the day with a total of 3-5grams depending on your body weight/muscle mass. I think pill or powder is personal preference.
 
ryaroberts said:
the tingles you get from it. its addicting how i look forward to it every workout
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Ahhh.

I was able to run a longggggggggggggggggg ass time and still had gas in the tank when I was on a high dose of BA and Cordyceps 7% power (was taking it for like 2 months so it was well built up in my system)

I also felt great and clear-minded.

I stopped taking both powders... no idea why, I will start again as I have a kilo+ of both :biglaugh:

EDIT: I ran a longass time and still had gas in the tank to turn on the jets from time to time.. just unreal endurance, BA is awesome.
 
alvintran12 said:
I heard this is a good way to bulk up quickly and gain muscle at the same time.
I at this point of time only take whey, apporximately 55g when i moderately workout but not to the point of exhaustion. My friend prescribed creatine, and I was at vitaminshoppe and GNC but have no idea which brand is the best. Plese recommend me some known to work brands. Also powder vs. pill? With this creatine, i shall intake whey with it aswell before and after workouts. I use whey from vitamanshoppe called bodytech.
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Powder or pill is entirely up to you. Pills can be more convenient.

Creatine monohydrate is the most tested, tried, and true creatine to use (although you can use other types of creatine).

There are many creatine products out there, and some also have other benefits:
* NeoVar Recomped (also acts as nutrient repartitioner and insulin mimic)
* Cre-02 (also helps with endurance)
* Green MAGnitude

Do some research. Check out logs/reviews on different creatine products. And then you just have to select the one that fits your needs the best.


ryaroberts said:
save your money for something else, like beta alanine (that stuff is legal crack lol =)
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Not something I would suggest. Just because you get "tingles" means shite.
 
creatine

Buy creatine mono in powder form and mix in 2.5G in the morning and 2.5 PWO. And the beta alanine is definitely a superior energy source. I have been taking it for about 30-45 days and i have some much ****in energy and cardio is sooooo easy now! Oh and get Creapure tested creatine. It is the German variety and is testyed to be 99% pure, unlike the Japanese crap that gives you stomach pains and is closer to 70% pure.
 
Guejsn said:
There are many creatine products out there, and some also have other benefits:
* NeoVar Recomped (also acts as nutrient repartitioner and insulin mimic)
* Cre-02 (also helps with endurance)
* Green MAGnitude

Do some research. Check out logs/reviews on different creatine products. And then you just have to select the one that fits your needs the best.
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Gotta agree with Rosie on this one. Many logs have been run on all 3 of the products that she has suggested there...check them out and see which would work best for you!

ps - Cre-02 also has nutrient partitioning properties similar to NeoVar (which I have not tried but have also heard is a very good product) ;)
 
You'd wanna go with creatine monohydrate but DO NOT buy the vitamin shoppe brand! It will only make you run to the bathroom in between workouts. With monohydrate purity is key. It's important that you get one that says "CREAPURE" or "Creaform" I use primaforce creaform and swear by it. Mixes fast, easy, no stomach issues or bloat whatsoever.

Caps can be more convenient and the best way to know your getting the full amount. Also monohydrate isn't the most stable in water so drink it quick. Don't leave it in your shake and drink it a hour later. I love powder though cause it's cheap;)
 
Here is my suggestion......creatine monohydrate is going to give you the best bang for the buck. No doubt about it. You can buy this stuff in bulk dirt cheap as compared when I first started using it in 1991.

If you want to take a walk on the wild side you might try creatine HCL (not the ethyl ester). Its kind of pricey, not easy to find (I know where to get it though), but is superior to anything on the market.
 
ILiftBig said:
Here is my suggestion......creatine monohydrate is going to give you the best bang for the buck. No doubt about it.
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Not to start an arguement here...but I doubt the phrase "no doubt about it" can be used in this sense. If there was no doubt as to the absolute best performance of a type of product versus the other types it is competing against...the other types would not exist.

I for one only used mono for a short bout of time because I was not comfortable with the water bloated retention feeling and look that I was attaining from the use of it. I have used at least 4 other types of creatine's throughout several other products now that have not caused the same side effects...but have relayed to the same (if not better) results.
 
CTDeuce said:
Not to start an arguement here...but I doubt the phrase "no doubt about it" can be used in this sense. If there was no doubt as to the absolute best performance of a type of product versus the other types it is competing against...the other types would not exist.

I for one only used mono for a short bout of time because I was not comfortable with the water bloated retention feeling and look that I was attaining from the use of it. I have used at least 4 other types of creatine's throughout several other products now that have not caused the same side effects...but have relayed to the same (if not better) results.
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I understand lot of people have some serious feeling about creatine and want to argue about what is best. I don't care one way or another since I have no vested interest in any creatine product. So I again repeat, IMHO, I have no doubt that creatine monohydrate gives the best bang for the buck....if you are truly getting creatine monohydrate and not a bunch of fillers. Some may or may not feel this way.

IMHO again, if you are getting a bloated feeling from creatine, likely there was something in it that should not be there. Creatine should only cause intra-cellular water retention, not subcutaneous. I know there are a few companies that put other fillers in creatine for what ever reasons.

Trust me, I have tried everything that has come out since ~1991 when creatine first hit the scene (still wasn't commercially available) and honestly got the same results from all of them. The only difference I have found was price. I did however like the creatine micro-ionized product (who ever makes that) because it easily dissolves in water, unlike the creatine monohydrate. I still say the king of kings in the creatine world is creatine HCL. I just can't see paying that kind of price and having to inject the stuff when I get the same results with a good inexpensive creatine monohydrate.

Now what results can I expect from creatine? Again, IMHO, a little weight gain depending on how much creatine your cells can absorb (~3-7lbs), a slightly quicker recover (you might not even notice it) and slightly more 1RM strength. For example, on your normal maxes where you usually stall, you feel like something kicks in just slightly. So a 350 bench might go to a 355-360. You should also feel a more full feeling in the muscle. Is this bad, hell no...any gains of any kind are worth what you pay for them. You just have to be the judge of any cost to benefits.
 
ryaroberts said:
give your taste buds a whirl and get bulk creatine ethyl ester ;-)
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Ethyl Ester works but you have to earn it, both in the gym and actually drinkign it. It's some nasty stuff...best bet if you get pure CE powder is to mix it with a tiny bit of juice or gatorade and drink it like a shot...bottoms up!
 
ILiftBig said:
I understand lot of people have some serious feeling about creatine and want to argue about what is best. I don't care one way or another since I have no vested interest in any creatine product. So I again repeat, IMHO, I have no doubt that creatine monohydrate gives the best bang for the buck....if you are truly getting creatine monohydrate and not a bunch of fillers. Some may or may not feel this way.

IMHO again, if you are getting a bloated feeling from creatine, likely there was something in it that should not be there. Creatine should only cause intra-cellular water retention, not subcutaneous. I know there are a few companies that put other fillers in creatine for what ever reasons.

Trust me, I have tried everything that has come out since ~1991 when creatine first hit the scene (still wasn't commercially available) and honestly got the same results from all of them. The only difference I have found was price. I did however like the creatine micro-ionized product (who ever makes that) because it easily dissolves in water, unlike the creatine monohydrate. I still say the king of kings in the creatine world is creatine HCL. I just can't see paying that kind of price and having to inject the stuff when I get the same results with a good inexpensive creatine monohydrate.

Now what results can I expect from creatine? Again, IMHO, a little weight gain depending on how much creatine your cells can absorb (~3-7lbs), a slightly quicker recover (you might not even notice it) and slightly more 1RM strength. For example, on your normal maxes where you usually stall, you feel like something kicks in just slightly. So a 350 bench might go to a 355-360. You should also feel a more full feeling in the muscle. Is this bad, hell no...any gains of any kind are worth what you pay for them. You just have to be the judge of any cost to benefits.
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yeah man...like I said, wasn't trying to start a battle. What I was saying was that you basically made it sound like Mono was the hands down best choice no matter what your goals are, and I am not of the same thought concept as that whatsoever. I dig the "IMHO" 100% though...everyone has different thoughts and beliefs....that's what makes the forum fun ;)
 
ILiftBig said:
I understand lot of people have some serious feeling about creatine and want to argue about what is best. I don't care one way or another since I have no vested interest in any creatine product. So I again repeat, IMHO, I have no doubt that creatine monohydrate gives the best bang for the buck....if you are truly getting creatine monohydrate and not a bunch of fillers. Some may or may not feel this way.

IMHO again, if you are getting a bloated feeling from creatine, likely there was something in it that should not be there. Creatine should only cause intra-cellular water retention, not subcutaneous. I know there are a few companies that put other fillers in creatine for what ever reasons.

Trust me, I have tried everything that has come out since ~1991 when creatine first hit the scene (still wasn't commercially available) and honestly got the same results from all of them. The only difference I have found was price. I did however like the creatine micro-ionized product (who ever makes that) because it easily dissolves in water, unlike the creatine monohydrate. I still say the king of kings in the creatine world is creatine HCL. I just can't see paying that kind of price and having to inject the stuff when I get the same results with a good inexpensive creatine monohydrate.

Now what results can I expect from creatine? Again, IMHO, a little weight gain depending on how much creatine your cells can absorb (~3-7lbs), a slightly quicker recover (you might not even notice it) and slightly more 1RM strength. For example, on your normal maxes where you usually stall, you feel like something kicks in just slightly. So a 350 bench might go to a 355-360. You should also feel a more full feeling in the muscle. Is this bad, hell no...any gains of any kind are worth what you pay for them. You just have to be the judge of any cost to benefits.
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Hey what do u think of creatine magnesium chelate? Im not sure if I even notice anything...
 
dude i took creatine mono for a while and just got bloated as hell and had puffy looking gains... i wouldn't recommend it to any1...
 
mono didn't do a single thing for me, except empty my wallet. used green mag in the past with great results especially strength. Am in the process of trying the cre-02 now.
 
alvintran12 said:
when i moderately workout but not to the point of exhaustion.
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^Here's where your pot of gold lies.^

I may not be understanding you correctly, but if you are "moderately" working out, you will get moderate results. Over-training is one thing, but if you're not kicking a** in the gym, you aren't going to get great results, no matter what you take. I know people who haven't gotten 3 months worth of results after working out for a year+.

Effort=results. There are very few variables in between.
 
mxmatt15 said:
green bulge, but i would always pick powder over pill just because it has a better absorption rate
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Honestly, you think green bulge is the best creatine? Can you please tell me what it does for you thats so great?

I'm a guy who spends a LOT of money on supps, and let me tell you.. I found the product to taste very good, but thats about it.. EDIT: Im talking about MAG :poke:
 
mxmatt15 said:
green bulge, but i would always pick powder over pill just because it has a better absorption rate
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The absorption rate between pills and powder is the same, at least with the capsules it is. Green BULGE is a very fast absorption, as all capsules are. Can't go wrong with either product - both will produce strength and help you in the gym. BULGE is more convenient, but MAG tastes really good!
 
Ubiyca said:
Honestly, you think green bulge is the best creatine? Can you please tell me what it does for you thats so great?

I'm a guy who spends a LOT of money on supps, and let me tell you.. I found the product to taste very good, but thats about it.. EDIT: Im talking about MAG :poke:
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well im no scientist but i definitely gained strength mostly on my bench and out of all the creatine supplements i gained the best results off green bulge. And who doesnt spend a lot of money on supplements?
 
I never tried green bulge....but I did enjoy the few servings of green mag that I used.

CL is a reputable company for sure.
 
ived used so many of them, MST's Cre02 is my fav and i didnt go into it expecting much, i was VERY surprised.
 
SwolenONE said:
ived used so many of them, MST's Cre02 is my fav and i didnt go into it expecting much, i was VERY surprised.
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Why thank ya brother! I have to agree that Cre-02 even outperformed my expectations...and mine were high, haha. I'm happy to see how much you enjoyed it though...and I loved your log.
 
i shouldve known better than to doubt cre02, no mst supp has ever came close to letting me down

Im not even a cardio junkie and Im addicted to c5 and vo2 before workouts, definitely helps with higher volume training and supersets/compound sets.
 
SwolenONE said:
i shouldve known better than to doubt cre02, no mst supp has ever came close to letting me down

Im not even a cardio junkie and Im addicted to c5 and vo2 before workouts, definitely helps with higher volume training and supersets/compound sets.
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We all make mistakes bro....I forgive you :biglaugh:

I doubted the efficiency of T-911 until I used it for myself also...so I guess we're even. That stuff is freakin potent!
 
CTDeuce said:
We all make mistakes bro....I forgive you :biglaugh:

I doubted the efficiency of T-911 until I used it for myself also...so I guess we're even. That stuff is freakin potent!
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hell yea it is, another supp that went above and beyond expectations. We are putting our MMv2 and M1d into those sublingual tabs, I cant wait to get back on M1D which is my personal favorite from the LG line.
 
theres a lot of debate. Always make sure your getting a good brand. like an hlpc tested micronized creatine monohydrate...thats what i use

Ive tried cee, and gluconate when it came here to the planet in 2007. I cant say if I noticed less bloat. might have it was hard to tell. (just like I did with pslin , might have and counldnt really tell)
 
i've been recommended creapure quality creatine many times in the past. scoop into mouth, chase with grape juice and finito! never tried creatine myself but i'll def. give it a shot in the near future.
 
smeton_yea said:
theres a lot of debate. Always make sure your getting a good brand. like an hlpc tested micronized creatine monohydrate...thats what i use

Ive tried cee, and gluconate when it came here to the planet in 2007. I cant say if I noticed less bloat. might have it was hard to tell. (just like I did with pslin , might have and counldnt really tell)
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I recall a certain Smeton enjoying Ragnarok ;)
 
smeton_yea said:
O yeah its good stuff. an all in one really. beta alanine, creatine, taurine, tyrosine, grape seed exract, nr-ala, I got the caffiene version for extra energy as I was doing 45 cardo 6 days a week
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It was an awesome log to follow also :)
 
smeton_yea said:
O yeah its good stuff. an all in one really. beta alanine, creatine, taurine, tyrosine, grape seed exract, nr-ala, I got the caffiene version for extra energy as I was doing 45 cardo 6 days a week
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is there a new version with nr-ala, im not familiar with that, when i used it i think it had r-ala

maybe a typo, but if not im interested to learn of a new form of ala, ive seen the k-r-ala w/potassium bound, is the nr-ala w/ sodium bound?
 
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Guys, first of all, there are studies that say that the optimal time taking creatine- after a workout , but not before.
This is logical , it does not need to restor ATP when they are not spent.

Therefore there is no need to spend money on pre-workout that contain creatine.
Need for training attention and pamp, and...

nothing more.

Second, new forms of creatine are only intended to raise its single- absorption. Creatine -HCL, Creatine Mg , Creatine Malate , .., ....
created solely as a new way to make money , saying a better absorption than creatine monohydrate .
Now let's ask ourselves : should we pay more?
Look , every effort is spent on ... alkalinization, that is increase in the digestive tract , as the acidic environment prevents the absorption of creatine.
In any case, it seems to be cheaper to add soda ) or any drug of magnesium, calcium, ...
Do you agree ?
 
Vidosick said:
bump) Guys, first of all, there are studies that say that the optimal time taking creatine- after a workout , but not before. This is logical , it does not need to restor ATP when they are not spent. Therefore there is no need to spend money on pre-workout that contain creatine. Need for training attention and pamp, and... nothing more. Second, new forms of creatine are only intended to raise its single- absorption. Creatine -HCL, Creatine Mg , Creatine Malate , .., .... created solely as a new way to make money , saying a better absorption than creatine monohydrate . Now let's ask ourselves : should we pay more? Look , every effort is spent on ... alkalinization, that is increase in the digestive tract , as the acidic environment prevents the absorption of creatine. In any case, it seems to be cheaper to add soda ) or any drug of magnesium, calcium, ... Do you agree ?
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Actually, the most optimal time to take creatine for someone who isn't saturated yet may be pre-workout. A recent study showed this. After saturation is met, any dosing scheme will work. Most will go with 3g 3-4 times weekly.

The new forms, specifically creatine HCL, may assist in reaching this saturation point quicker. When looking at something like Creatine Mg, many will benefit from the host of ergogenic properties that magnesium elicits.
 
Minerals and vitamins it seems better to take apart, to control this process. The advantage of the control.
Saturation of creatine is a small and controversial phase.
The main reception is solely for recovery purposes. This is possible at all the whole point of creatine.
Some forms of creatine, such as nitrate, are used mainly for pumping. But it is hardly justified, as it is far from the goals of creatine supplementation, imho
 
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