Craze - The Peer-reviewed published proof
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methusaleh
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Mine had been up on eBay for a few days, then got pulled yesterday. I still have some for sale in the Supplement Auction area
Heisenberg6
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Heisenberg6
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Godstrength
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Lol at anyone who would buy craze for $250. Why buy something containing an illegal substance that mimics meth for $250 when you can go buy meth for $20 bucks. Clearly joking :dontflameme:
Lol..... I picked one up for 39$ just for the novelty of it at a well known 3 letter branch chain supplement store.... When I told them what was going on with this stuff they were like WTF??? How come we haven't heard anything? I just read an article where the gov shutdown has affected the process of pulling it.
Touey
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Heisenberg6
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Damn I wish the gov shutdown happened when they banned Superdrol lol
That's a good idea, there's a little nutritional shop where I live and they have a small bodybuilding section. I think I have seen craze there before I'm about to go buy some for sh*ts and giggles.
mr.cooper69
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What is the first ingredient?
snyderd1972
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I'm curious to all 3 of mine list vit c first and creatine mono is first in the prop blend.
smoker145
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Must be the dendrobium
kaikara
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Two of them list Trimethylglycine as the first ingredient. (expire 01/15)
The other three have creatine listed first.
Montego1
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The two with trimethyl first are original. The ones with creatine listed first are the new batches.
Bryancap77
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Any legit differences between og and nf? I only have nf with creatine first, but I get that crazy focus/euphoria as well.
kaikara
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You want to buy them?
This. ^
My understanding is that it still contains the compound (dendrobium), just in a lesser amount.
lronFist
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None of them actually contain dendrobium.
The "OG" Craze contained high doses of N-benzyl-2-phenylethylamine in addition to N, alpha-diethylphenylethylamine.
The former was what was responsible for the throat numbness, and the latter responsible for the euphoria/stimulation.
The majority of tubs (old and new) test positive for N, alpha-diethylphenylethylamine (except for one Grape batch).
Bryancap77
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Very good to know. I've always heard og is so much better but I assumed it was a sort of "placebo" effect due to general consensus aka going with the flow lol I'm glad I have 5 tubs. I take it twice a week so this should last forevaaaaaah
snyderd1972
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I can't imagine what the og was like with how powerful the new version is.
kaikara
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What's the difference between those two compounds and all the other ones listed on the bottle?
B-Phenylethylamine
N,N-Dimethyl-B-Phenylethylamine
N,N-Diethyl-B-Phenylethylamine
B-Phenylethylamine HCl
lronFist
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First of all, none of those compounds are actually in Craze.
The N,N-diethyl-B-PEA is a red herring and position isomer of N, alpha-diethylPEA.
It was added (to the label) because it could easily fool analysis of Craze constituents (i.e. it has the same MW and some of the same peaks on HPLC).
N, alpha-diethylPEA has a constituent on the alpha-position, which is a no-go zone with PEA derivatives. It falls within the Federal Analog Act and would be strickly illegal.
Matt Cahill (owner of DS and formulator of Craze) knew exactly what he was doing when he released this product, which is why he is probably going to spend a lot of time behind bars.
Bryancap77
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I will not be at all surprised if this starts the era of FDA regulated supplements.
methusaleh
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Speaking of the FDA...I had a very interesting conversation earlier today. My friend's mom works for the FDA at their HQ just outside of DC. She was an "essential worker" I guess, working through the shutdown, but with odd restrictions like she could not use her laptop to continue writing reports from home, could not use her government-issued phone at all, but still had to report to work and do what she could in her office. I don't completely understand it, but that is beside the point. I asked if she had heard about Craze or OEP, she said she had not, as her area of expertise is pharmaceuticals. I explained to her what I knew of the situation with both supps (50/50 speculation and fact, at this point). She said she would not be the least bit surprised if an FDA mandate comes down swiftly once the government re-opens to its full functionality...which is now looking like tomorrow...so we might be in the twilight hours for buying both of those supps right now. I have her phone number and she said I am welcome to call back if I have any more questions in the future.
Bryancap77
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How would the FDA coming in to regulate effect the industry? I bet Cahill is going to be on the receiving end of an enormous amount of hate in this industry. He's ruined it for everyone if this is true (which is looking to be so at this point, though I would like to see some in-house good old USA tests done. Not sure how much I trust the North Koreans lol)
Est1969
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I do this too. And two scoops of Craze is like an "I WIN" button against any hangover.
Bryancap77
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Jiigzz
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I agree. The company intended to deceive yet people,especially on other forums, are still supporting the company as if its the FDA's fault.
horizons
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I think it's all over hyped tbh
Craze got so much heat because of the insane effects of the ETH most likely.
Everyone had the same or similar kind of reaction with Dimeth until it was scrutinised when it was never proven to be unsafe at a safe dose
I don't think the issue is the amphetamine like ingredient in craze it's the fact that it's not labelled and it's deceiving to the consumer.
Because let's be honest. Dimeth and for most people craze works... Period. People nowadays are willing to take the risk but feel much better when they "know" they are.
As someone has said before last year it was Dimeth this year it's craze and it goes around and around. Up to you wether you want to go on that ride!
Craze got so much heat because of the insane effects of the ETH most likely.
Everyone had the same or similar kind of reaction with Dimeth until it was scrutinised when it was never proven to be unsafe at a safe dose
I don't think the issue is the amphetamine like ingredient in craze it's the fact that it's not labelled and it's deceiving to the consumer.
Because let's be honest. Dimeth and for most people craze works... Period. People nowadays are willing to take the risk but feel much better when they "know" they are.
As someone has said before last year it was Dimeth this year it's craze and it goes around and around. Up to you wether you want to go on that ride!
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McBurly
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No and no. It was different from everything else on the market. I tried the OG and it was different from DMAA. It was a high you couldn't compete with. Some friends and I took it after drinking all night and our intensity at the gym the next day was something different. Strength and endurance was out of this world. A sense of well being and focus that it was not legit. And the come down off of it felt like illicit drugs (cocaine). If you wanted the push after a night of partying or the social aspect when partying it was great, but again, it felt illegal.
horizons
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Agreed. But still that's you're opinion or feedback from craze.
I am saying once this gets banned or whatever, another thing will pop up and everyone will whinge about next year. I got WAY more side effects on DMAA than I have on craze but each to their own
Quadzilla99
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If this nonsense causes FDA regulation of the supp industry nothing will pop up next year or any other year..you'll probably have to do all kind of expensive phase I and phase II type trials to bring out anything new out and few companies will want to spend millions testing things that in many cases couldn't be patented anyway. That will be Cahill's gift to the industry which is why its bizarre retards are still supporting him and DS
horizons
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I am not supporting DS but yes I have bought craze haha
ccnAbolic
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My opinion is same chemical but more of it in o.g. This is a typical hook them with more and keep them with less strategy in the slangin' game. Just sayin'
kissdadookie
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saggy321
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Agreed. I only used it twice because it took me back to my university days. The come down for me was awful.
methusaleh
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I don't understand why people don't just go to GNC and pick up a tub for like $35. Smh
Exactly!
I sold my Craze to someone on here for a very fair price, and I can still get more, heck there are even 3 bottles of OG OEP at one local GNC, if anyone needs the info let me know, or I can even go grab it for you if you will throw in a tip for my time
tnubs
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I don't understand why people don't just go to GNC and pick up a tub for like $35. Smh
Called my friend who works at GNC when I saw this thread this morning because I was gonna get him to buy out all the stock but he said they already pulled it and was pissed he didnt know it would be selling stupid high. lol
kissdadookie
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Dang, they pulled it? Must be recent, ha ha. I think I still saw it in the store a few weeks ago (think I saw it in one of the GNC's on Tuesday when I went in to buy a RTD).
kissdadookie
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Wow, chit got serious. LoL. GNC rarely pulls anything and would fight tooth and nail to keep on selling what they are making loads of money on.
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