Coop's Corner #5: Verbascoside/Lemon Verbena Extract

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Mr.cooper69 - would you mind if I send you PM?
I know that he has a very busy inbox at the moment so it is unlikely you will get a very swift reply.

I'm curious Coop why you post on this site but disappeared from BB.com??
We are a sponsor here so we can answer questions and talk more openly.

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On a side note, I didn't realise there was a possibility of an increased pump from lemon verbena. I altered my training regime when I started taking it. I have had really painful pumps but didn't attribute it to the product.

If I had known I would have kept my routine consistent instead of confounding the variables.
 
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This is a beaut :D Amino IV is indeed excellent in terms of improving my endurance. I can't say much about pumps though as I'm probably at the point of diminishing returns with the agmatine and nitrates ;)

Stuff tastes great with CL ftw!
 
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This is a beaut :D Amino IV is indeed excellent in terms of improving my endurance. I can't say much about pumps though as I'm probably at the point of diminishing returns with the agmatine and nitrates ;)

Stuff tastes great with CL ftw!
You mean you don't stack Xgels with Agamtine and Citrulline Malate and Nitrates and 300g carbs with 6 GDA tabs + anabeta and amino 4 all pre gym?

I go into the gym as a stickman and leave looking like a cloud
 

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You mean you don't stack Xgels with Agamtine and Citrulline Malate and Nitrates and 300g carbs with 6 GDA tabs + anabeta and amino 4 all pre gym?

I go into the gym as a stickman and leave looking like a cloud
Bwa ha ha ha. Nah. I am on OG XF though. First thing in the morning: 6 XF, 3 Erase, preworkout, 1 scoop Amino IV, Max Pump and then 1 scoop Amino IV intra ;)
 
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What're your guys thoughts on mega-dosing this? Much like people use to (maybe still do) w/ xtend?
 

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Thanks coop. Another informative topic, just like the forskolin topic. And I understand everything without googling some words.

Coops corner is no. 1.
 
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Wow, that was so simple, even I could understand it :) . Awesome to read up on a newly-marketed compound. I recently picked up some Na-R-ALA because of how strongly you endorsed its use (haven't started taking it yet). Is there any conflict between the two compounds? Does Na-R-ALA have any negative impact on adaptations to weight training? Thanks for posting!
 
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What're your guys thoughts on mega-dosing this? Much like people use to (maybe still do) w/ xtend?
Just to make sure we are on the same wavelength, what dosage are you referring to? Intra workout usage or between meals?
 

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Wow, that was so simple, even I could understand it :) . Awesome to read up on a newly-marketed compound. I recently picked up some Na-R-ALA because of how strongly you endorsed its use (haven't started taking it yet). Is there any conflict between the two compounds? Does Na-R-ALA have any negative impact on adaptations to weight training? Thanks for posting!
I would space your na-r-ala away from weight training sessions, but no, no conflict between the two ingredients
 
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Very nice article Coop; I enjoyed it. Good work.
 

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finally read through a few of the citations... interesting stuff
 

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Yup and t only took them a year and a half to take it out of Amino IV!
 
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Lol Ik right ^
 
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Great write up, very easy to follow and very informative. Thanks Coop
 
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Wasn't LV an expensive ingredient? a couple of amino acids and TMG aren't exactly expensive.
I don't think a large amount was used.

But I'm getting out of my territory saying more

It was a good decision for the majority of customers, getting better overall results with these inclusions and also not being whiny b1thches about the taste lol
 
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I would like a packet with 30 LV caps put inside the Amimo IV tub that would be epic. But still glad it will be released as an Analyzed product
 

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^this have it be an add on to the iv for like 5 extra $ or something like that
 
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Ive heard b12, resveratrol and curcumin injections are supposed to offer rediculous benefits, far past oral dosing. learning more about lemon verbena makes me wonder about it in the same fashion. Might be extremely effective...

Not planning on injecting anything, but this type of stuff fascinates me.
 
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I would like a packet with 30 LV caps put inside the Amimo IV tub that would be epic. But still glad it will be released as an Analyzed product
That would be very expensive and would increase the cost of amino IV beyond what is worthwhile.
 
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That would be very expensive and would increase the cost of amino IV beyond what is worthwhile.
Im happy with the AUS one anyway. the Rasberry Lemonade is fantastic, better of as another product then.
 
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I think he means sustamine
Lol if he meant L-Alanyl-L-Glutamine why would b\he write glutamine? Anyway i digress.

Synerglute is l-glutamine and l-alanine not bonded, so my point that they are both ridiculously cheap stands.
 
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Really? I can buy a kg of it locally for like $16.99 retail...
Good for you. I gave you an answer, if you don't like it, not my problem; seems all you've been doing is complaining. I could go into a cost analysis and point out since it is not a glutamine product, our cost would be much higher than whoever is selling you glutamine for 16.99 retail, but why bother?
 
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Good for you. I gave you an answer, if you don't like it, not my problem; seems all you've been doing is complaining. I could go into a cost analysis and point out since it is not a glutamine product, our cost would be much higher than whoever is selling you glutamine for 16.99 retail, but why bother?
Just been complaining? Could go through my posting history and see the countless times i have recommended PES products, I was even recently telling you how much im enjoying Shift. Discussing a product is complaining these days?

Sorry if I have offended you.
 
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Just been complaining? Could go through my posting history and see the countless times i have recommended PES products, I was even recently telling you how much im enjoying Shift. Discussing a product is complaining these days?

Sorry if I have offended you.
I have seen you several times voicing your opinion on the subject; voicing your opinion is fine, but now you're cluttering a thread that is supposed to be informative in nature to beat a dead horse. A year from now, the explanation for the changes for Amino IV will be the exact same as the ones we've given you now. It's not the first time you've complained, and we have already noted your concerns, but here you are still beating a dead horse; I did not say anything about you discussing a product. We already stated we will be selling LV solo, and you essentially accused me of lying when I said the product changes work out to be about the same as the original formula by trying to discuss glutamine prices.

I see you in PES threads making positive comments all the time, but insinuating I am lying is generally not polite; especially given the level of transparency I have tried to provide over the subject. Most companies ignore criticism with a "dealwithit" attitude, but we have been upfront regarding all the changes. Like I said, if this was an Amino IV thread, I would not care, but you are bringing issues from other products into a thread that was designed to be helpful.
 
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I have seen you several times voicing your opinion on the subject; voicing your opinion is fine, but now you're cluttering a thread that is supposed to be informative in nature to beat a dead horse. A year from now, the explanation for the changes for Amino IV will be the exact same as the ones we've given you now. It's not the first time you've complained, and we have already noted your concerns, but here you are still beating a dead horse; I did not say anything about you discussing a product. We already stated we will be selling LV solo, and you essentially accused me of lying when I said the product changes work out to be about the same as the original formula by trying to discuss glutamine prices.

I see you in PES threads making positive comments all the time, but insinuating I am lying is generally not polite; especially given the level of transparency I have tried to provide over the subject. Most companies ignore criticism with a "dealwithit" attitude, but we have been upfront regarding all the changes. Like I said, if this was an Amino IV thread, I would not care, but you are bringing issues from other products into a thread that was designed to be helpful.
You are right. I am sorry. I am banning myself from posting on AM on the way home after a night out on Saturdays haha
 
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You are right. I am sorry. I am banning myself from posting on AM on the way home after a night out on Saturdays haha
No need, just remember that if we are taking the time to address people's concerns, it means that we care and that we *do* keep them in mind for our future formulations; we certainly do not ignore your concerns when you make them on the forums. I don't want you to think I'm trying to be rude or a bully :)
 

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Good for you. I gave you an answer, if you don't like it, not my problem; seems all you've been doing is complaining. I could go into a cost analysis and point out since it is not a glutamine product, our cost would be much higher than whoever is selling you glutamine for 16.99 retail, but why bother?
Great attitude.
 
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Great attitude.
Not everybody is going to like the answer they get, but its the truth. I notice you neglected to acknowledge the rest of my posts after that one. I take it you would be okay if someone insinuated you were lying; if so, kudos for the willpower, but I prefer to speak my mind.
 
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Back on topic ;) How well would LV be as an absorption enhancer for epicatchin, as I've read that lemon juice is...?
 
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Back on topic ;) How well would LV be as an absorption enhancer for epicatchin, as I've read that lemon juice is...?
Pes should make an Epi product throw LV in there, some CistaMax, and more make a more expensive product but produce smaller batches, give AnaBeta Elite a new friend. but can imagine there most likely is something in the making like this lol
 

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Im happy with the AUS one anyway. the Rasberry Lemonade is fantastic, better of as another product then.
RL better than mango??
 
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I usually don’t take any intra workout BCCA/aminos. However I’m interested in taking Verbena around workout. I’m wondering if lemon verbena tea or powder would have same effect. I found one article that determined the amount of verbascoside in tea (40mg/100ml) but couldn’t find what quantity of herb they used per 100ml of tea. What would be the right dose of verbascoside for its antioxidant activity around workout?
 

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